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Bonding Help Please

Plushlops

Young Bun
Hi all

I picked up my new baby yesterday.

She is an 8 week old BEW Mini Lop. My other 2 are Plush Lop siblings, Buck (Blue) and Doe (Blue & White), 20 weeks old yesterday.

None are neutered yet. Older doe still has 4 weeks to wait and the bucks bits haven't dropped yet. Def a male but just a late developer I suppose.

I put them together today and filmed it, I was wondering if someone could have a watch and see what you think please. They are in a small makeshift run in a neutral area.

Thanks







 
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Hi. I couldn't get the films to work, it's probably something I was doing wrong, but what did you have in mind with reference to your bunnies?
 
Personally I would want to give the new Doe a week to settle in before even attempting any introductions. 8 weeks is a very delicate stage for a Kit, especially regarding their GI tract. The balance of gut bacteria is changing and any stress can disrupt this causing gut problems such as diarrhoea. Being moved to a new home is stressful enough, bonding straight away is adding to that stress. Also, it is a good idea to quarantine any new intake for at least a week to make sure that they are not incubating any disease. Again this especially applies to baby Rabbits.

These are just my personal opinions, I am not saying that it is what has to be done, so please dont read my post as being critical of your actions.

As the older Rabbits are 20 weeks then there is a strong risk of an unwanted (I assume) pregnancy. A buck can retract his testicles back into the abdominal cavity so it may be that he is fertile. It is not impossible for a 20 week old Doe to conceive. It is of course entirely up to you if you want to keep them all together, I am just flagging up the risks in case you are not aware of them.

In the videos the older Doe is showing some aggression- tail up, circling etc-. She is also trying to get the Buck to acknowledge her place in the group since the arrival of the new Kit- putting her head down to him. He did not respond (by grooming her head). If this type of interaction were to continue the older Doe is likely to get cross and friction could set in between her and the Buck. The fact that the older Doe is about to hit puberty will just add fuel to the fire.

So in short personally I would get all the neuterings sorted out before attempting any bondings. The Buck can remain fertile for at least 4 weeks AFTER castration, I always leave 6 weeks before any introductions. The post castration fertility issue is noted on the following link were it says:
Note: following castration, the buck may remain fertile for at least four weeks and sometimes longer than this; the buck should be kept apart from any does until six weeks after castration.

http://wildpro.twycrosszoo.org/S/00...s/Indiv_TechniquesRabbit/CastrationRabbit.htm
 
At 20 weeks the male will definitely be capable of getting the doe pregnant! The little white bunny, your new baby, looks very stressed as she was anticipating (I think) a fight breaking out. She was just stood motionless so not very nice for her.

I agree with Jack's-Jane on everything else.
 
Personally I would want to give the new Doe a week to settle in before even attempting any introductions. 8 weeks is a very delicate stage for a Kit, especially regarding their GI tract. The balance of gut bacteria is changing and any stress can disrupt this causing gut problems such as diarrhoea. Being moved to a new home is stressful enough, bonding straight away is adding to that stress. Also, it is a good idea to quarantine any new intake for at least a week to make sure that they are not incubating any disease. Again this especially applies to baby Rabbits.

These are just my personal opinions, I am not saying that it is what has to be done, so please dont read my post as being critical of your actions.

As the older Rabbits are 20 weeks then there is a strong risk of an unwanted (I assume) pregnancy. A buck can retract his testicles back into the abdominal cavity so it may be that he is fertile. It is not impossible for a 20 week old Doe to conceive. It is of course entirely up to you if you want to keep them all together, I am just flagging up the risks in case you are not aware of them.

In the videos the older Doe is showing some aggression- tail up, circling etc-. She is also trying to get the Buck to acknowledge her place in the group since the arrival of the new Kit- putting her head down to him. He did not respond (by grooming her head). If this type of interaction were to continue the older Doe is likely to get cross and friction could set in between her and the Buck. The fact that the older Doe is about to hit puberty will just add fuel to the fire.

So in short personally I would get all the neuterings sorted out before attempting any bondings. The Buck can remain fertile for at least 4 weeks AFTER castration, I always leave 6 weeks before any introductions. The post castration fertility issue is noted on the following link were it says:
Note: following castration, the buck may remain fertile for at least four weeks and sometimes longer than this; the buck should be kept apart from any does until six weeks after castration.

http://wildpro.twycrosszoo.org/S/00...s/Indiv_TechniquesRabbit/CastrationRabbit.htm

Thanks for your reply.

Not taking critical at all, I value your advice.

I will keep her on her own for a week, the last thing I want is for her to be stressed. I understand what your saying about quarantine but they did come from the same breeder so thought I was OK on that one.

I definitely do not want any babies, especially as they are siblings. I will make another vet appointment for this week.

Just goes to show what I know. I thought they were Ok as there was no mounting or biting but did wondered why she was getting angry at him and not the new baby. I thought he was trying to protect the baby by chasing the older doe off.

Thanks for taking the time to watch and reply. I appreciate it.
 
At 20 weeks the male will definitely be capable of getting the doe pregnant! The little white bunny, your new baby, looks very stressed as she was anticipating (I think) a fight breaking out. She was just stood motionless so not very nice for her.

I agree with Jack's-Jane on everything else.

Thank you. I did wonder why she she went so still, that makes sense. Thanks for taking the time to watch and reply.
 
Thanks for your reply.

Not taking critical at all, I value your advice.

I will keep her on her own for a week, the last thing I want is for her to be stressed. I understand what your saying about quarantine but they did come from the same breeder so thought I was OK on that one.

I definitely do not want any babies, especially as they are siblings. I will make another vet appointment for this week.

Just goes to show what I know. I thought they were Ok as there was no mounting or biting but did wondered why she was getting angry at him and not the new baby. I thought he was trying to protect the baby by chasing the older doe off.

Thanks for taking the time to watch and reply. I appreciate it.

Just to make you aware that males can still be fertile 2/3 weeks post castration, and the RWAF recommends you keep them away from an unspayed doe for up to 4 weeks ...

http://www.rabbitwelfare.co.uk/pdfs/neutering28807.pdf

A doe will need up to 14 days recovery time (although I have found this to be significantly less most of the time!)

Good luck!
 
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