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Bonding advice - 'slow-track' approach with a territorial bunny

Wigs

Warren Scout
I'm looking for some advice please :wave:

We recently lost one of our rabbits, McKinley, to old age. Before we lost him, Mac was very closely bonded with Valentine for 5.5 years.

We don't want Valentine to be on her own, so adopted Loganberry from our local RSPCA branch and brought him home this past Saturday.

This RSPCA branch don’t carry out bonding, and advised us to take things slowly, i.e. put the rabbits in separate enclosures, side-by-side, whilst they get used to each other. They told us to wait until they are sleeping next to each other before we put them together, initially in a small, neutral space.

Since Saturday they have been in separate puppy pens, but next to each other (a few inches apart). They are in a room Valentine has only been in a couple of times. The puppy pens have been cleaned with white vinegar. Their toys / litter trays etc are brand new. We swapped the rabbits over (into the opposite pen) this morning, and have been swapping their toys and litter trays each day to get them increasingly used to each other's scent.

Loganberry was initially quite keen to get to know Valentine and kept approaching her, but she is having none of it. She is being aggressive and territorial and will lunge / grunt at Loganberry, with her tail held high. She will also try to bite his face through the bars (she cannot reach him). There are some positives - they will eat side-by-side, and at times will sit and groom themselves or sit in their litter trays whilst they are close. But Valentine remains aggressive, and I feel like Loganberry is starting to lose interest in her now.

Other than that, they both seem fairly happy. They are eating well, flopping out to go to sleep, and binkying when we let them out of their puppy pens (separately) to stretch their legs.

I appreciate we are being impatient(!), but we have not seen any progress so far with this approach, and wondered if anyone had experience of doing things this way?

Would really appreciate any relevant experience or suggestions for how to move forward from here? We do not want to rush things and cause both rabbits stress, but also don’t want things to stagnate if we’re not getting anywhere.

We’ve never bonded rabbits ourselves before, so are pretty overwhelmed by this and worried that we’re not doing the right thing for either rabbit :(
 
We have just bonded our grumpy female Brie with Bagel another rescue bun, it took almost 6months. We were really surprised because our other bonded pair hit it off straight away and were living together within days. The trouble was she was the dominant one in the last relationship and the new male was also dominant. We basically had them live side by side during this time and then 'dated' them every so often with supervision. We also borrowed our neighbours garden for a couple of dates. We awaited until their new run was built before moving them in together. They had a big fight initially but have been fine ever since. I'm not so sure they're in love yet but certainly tolerating each other and sitting close together. I had some great advice for Exeter RSPCA who gave me a bonding book from another RSPCA. I have attached the updated version.

http://www.manchesterandsalfordrspca.org.uk/documents/bondingguiderevisedRuth.pdf
 
Personally I would stick with it as things are. It's only been 3 days and it isn't worth the risk of spoiling any chance of bonding them by rushing things.
 
I'm looking for some advice please :wave:

We recently lost one of our rabbits, McKinley, to old age. Before we lost him, Mac was very closely bonded with Valentine for 5.5 years.

We don't want Valentine to be on her own, so adopted Loganberry from our local RSPCA branch and brought him home this past Saturday.

This RSPCA branch don’t carry out bonding, and advised us to take things slowly, i.e. put the rabbits in separate enclosures, side-by-side, whilst they get used to each other. They told us to wait until they are sleeping next to each other before we put them together, initially in a small, neutral space.

Since Saturday they have been in separate puppy pens, but next to each other (a few inches apart). They are in a room Valentine has only been in a couple of times. The puppy pens have been cleaned with white vinegar. Their toys / litter trays etc are brand new. We swapped the rabbits over (into the opposite pen) this morning, and have been swapping their toys and litter trays each day to get them increasingly used to each other's scent.

Loganberry was initially quite keen to get to know Valentine and kept approaching her, but she is having none of it. She is being aggressive and territorial and will lunge / grunt at Loganberry, with her tail held high. She will also try to bite his face through the bars (she cannot reach him). There are some positives - they will eat side-by-side, and at times will sit and groom themselves or sit in their litter trays whilst they are close. But Valentine remains aggressive, and I feel like Loganberry is starting to lose interest in her now.

Other than that, they both seem fairly happy. They are eating well, flopping out to go to sleep, and binkying when we let them out of their puppy pens (separately) to stretch their legs.

I appreciate we are being impatient(!), but we have not seen any progress so far with this approach, and wondered if anyone had experience of doing things this way?

Would really appreciate any relevant experience or suggestions for how to move forward from here? We do not want to rush things and cause both rabbits stress, but also don’t want things to stagnate if we’re not getting anywhere.

We’ve never bonded rabbits ourselves before, so are pretty overwhelmed by this and worried that we’re not doing the right thing for either rabbit :(

Before I answered your current question, I wonder if you ever got a diagnosis on Valentine's ears, and how they are now? It would have a bearing on bonding :D
 
Hi all - thanks for the advice - and thank you Compass for the RSPCA booklet :)

MightyMax - well remembered! We have seen two vets on this - our local vet, and our regular vet (rabbit specialist). Despite numerous tests, nothing has showed a positive result. Following the hibiscrub and xeno treatment, the problem subsided and the fur has regrown. Bit of an anti-climax :s Apologies for the lack of response, by the time I had something of an update it had been so long that I didn't want to drag up an old thread. You and Jack'sJane were so helpful, and I really appreciated the suggestions and advice. Just frustrated that I still don't know what caused this.
 
I've recently just adopted Marmite, our 8 month old giant (I say recently, we adopted her in February) - to bond with my 1y/o giant Kinder.

Kinder was very aggressive towards people until the presence of Marmite. Initially Kinder wouldn't settle at night in her own area because Marmite was close by. After a few weeks they were eating side by side, and sleeping along the bars together.

I am still in the process of bonding them 5 months later. There's a lot of chasing, and fur pulling - and Marmite is the aggressive one! (Surprisingly, we were expecting it to be Kinder) Kinder is more than happy to lay and relax - with her tail down, but Marmite holds her tail high and provokes Kinder to run or box her back. We have no "neutral" territory in our house except the upstairs hallway - so we have to bond them in there. Once they were happy to be together (relaxing and not boxing) we moved into the living room which is where most of their free time is spent (for now separately unless we are having a bonding session with them). Kinder settled quickly, but Marmite kept chasing her round and round until she couldn't be bothered, and just ran to me and jumped up. For now we are having a cool off because the stress caused Kinder to go off her food.
But for 5 months bonding the progress is amazing, at first they would lunge/growl/attack at first sight of each other and now they aren't too fussed.

I think each bond is different and I think keeping it the way it is will benefit you all more. I have seen MASSIVE progress in Kinder/Marmite as they are both females it naturally was going to be harder.

You're definitely doing the right thing! just keep at it and you will see results! :)
 
Thanks all for sharing your experience and for the words of encouragement!!

Part of the reason I am worried is because Mac and Valentine were bonded by the rescue we adopted Mac from, who introduced them straight away. Within 3 or 4 days they were sleeping in the same hutch and within a week we had them home, successfully bonded and spending all their time together. The rescue bonded all their rabbits that way, and it was mostly a successful and speedy process. But... I guess the main differences were that they were bonded at the rescue which was neutral territory, and we had just moved house, so finding a neutral spot for them when they were back at home was easy.

From doing a little more reading, I suspect the lack of fully neutral territory is playing a part here. We have a lodger who is moving out at the end of this week, so neither rabbit has been in that room. I think I will try them there, and may even try to track down a new / borrowed pen from somewhere. I'm sure the way Valentine is behaving is due to this being 'her' territory, so I am hopeful that if we can stop her feeling like that, things will be better.

Fingers crossed! :)
 
I think you are right - females are fiercely territorial and if you can put them in a new room that should do the trick. I wouldn't keep them separate though as really you are not proving anything at all and sooner or later you have to take the plunge and put them together. Choose a day or 2 when you are going to be there in order to keep a close eye on them and hopefully, if all goes well, they should be feeling happy and relaxed with one another after about 3 days. Try to keep them in this new room for at least a week or 2 preferably as once she accepts him it will be much easier to return them to the usualy arrangement.
 
Hi all - thanks for the advice - and thank you Compass for the RSPCA booklet :)

MightyMax - well remembered! We have seen two vets on this - our local vet, and our regular vet (rabbit specialist). Despite numerous tests, nothing has showed a positive result. Following the hibiscrub and xeno treatment, the problem subsided and the fur has regrown. Bit of an anti-climax :s Apologies for the lack of response, by the time I had something of an update it had been so long that I didn't want to drag up an old thread. You and Jack'sJane were so helpful, and I really appreciated the suggestions and advice. Just frustrated that I still don't know what caused this.

Thanks for replying Wigs :D

Well let's hope it's nothing transferable! Sometimes it seems (esp with rabbits) we are doomed never to get to the root of the whys and wherefores :?
 
Indeed - very frustrating not to know what it was. I take confidence from the fact that Mac did not develop anything similar, and he was very elderly and susceptible to anything going. But please don't worry - I wouldn't risk the health of either rabbit. Loganberry will need to go to the Vets this week to be registered and have a general check up, so I was planning to take Valentine along too, just for a final check up and an OK from the vet. Other than that, I think this may just go down as one of life's mysteries!!
 
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