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    Quote Originally Posted by William View Post
    This thread is so skewed. Yes this breeder was bad, yes the OP made a mistake thinking they were reputable. That doesn't mean there aren't any reputable breeders.

    Nobody ever mention the fact that there's rescues that are just as bad, if not worse. Nobody ever mentions that many rescue rabbits have tons of health problems (after all nearly all rescue rabbits are from pet shops and backyard breeders) but that's one of the first things people say to someone who's bought from a breeder. Everyone acts as if breeders are evil, greedy people with no morals and no knowledge of rabbits.

    Threads like this if anything make me more pro breeder. Rescues in general are so distasteful imo. Constant over-zealous remarks and blaming owners and only reporting the facts that make rescues look good, never the whole truth. Bleh. It's grating and all very animal activist/PETA like.
    A lot of breeders are very selfish people. They breed their animals because they want to. They don't give a toss about the amount of animals in rescue or the amount of healthy animals destroyed day in and day out.

    You actually fit into that bracket quite well William. You strike me as a very selfish little girl.

    I have many friend involved in rescue, such as Jill from Honeybunnies and they are wonderful people. They are very passionate about what they do and they have very strong opinions and STAND by that opinion.

    DO NOT lump them in with groups such as PETA. PETA have hidden agendas. It's not all about the animals, unlike the amazing rescuers who make such a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lspacehopper View Post
    A lot of breeders are very selfish people. They breed their animals because they want to. They don't give a toss about the amount of animals in rescue or the amount of healthy animals destroyed day in and day out.

    You actually fit into that bracket quite well William. You strike me as a very selfish little girl.

    I have many friend involved in rescue, such as Jill from Honeybunnies and they are wonderful people. They are very passionate about what they do and they have very strong opinions and STAND by that opinion.

    DO NOT lump them in with groups such as PETA. PETA have hidden agendas. It's not all about the animals, unlike the amazing rescuers who make such a difference.
    A lot are, yes. But not all of them. Generalizations are annoying but they're offensive when aimed at groups of people.

    You don't know me just as you don't know all these breeders you're insulting

    You can say the exact same thing about many breeders - they are very passionate about what they do and they have very strong opinions and STAND by that opinion.

    You're right, the RU rescues are wonderful...I do like them despite their opinions. I complain about them on breeders threads a lot but that's because they have all these over zealous followers to take up for them. Breeders rarely have anyone take up for them.

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    Your bunny is lovely, and although it's sad a rescue rabbit has missed out on a lovely home, hopefully some good can come from this.
    Hopefully, you can now tell people, first hand, how poorly most breeder rabbits are kept.
    Hopefully, you can make people aware of rescue rabbits in need of good homes.
    Hopefully, your bunny will go on to have a rescue companion to keep him company.

    William, there is one difference between breeders and rescuers- most breeders are in it for money or prizes, most rescuers are in it for the animals!
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    Quote Originally Posted by William View Post
    A lot are, yes. But not all of them. Generalizations are annoying but they're offensive when aimed at groups of people.

    You don't know me just as you don't know all these breeders you're insulting

    You can say the exact same thing about many breeders - they are very passionate about what they do and they have very strong opinions and STAND by that opinion.

    You're right, the RU rescues are wonderful...I do like them despite their opinions. I complain about them on breeders threads a lot but that's because they have all these over zealous followers to take up for them. Breeders rarely have anyone take up for them.
    You don't like being insulted, yet you're so quick to dish it out.

    'Over zealous followers' = People who actually genuinely care about what happens to all the animals in rescues, unlike MOST breeders and their supporters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halfpenny View Post
    Your bunny is lovely, and although it's sad a rescue rabbit has missed out on a lovely home, hopefully some good can come from this.
    Hopefully, you can now tell people, first hand, how poorly most breeder rabbits are kept.
    Hopefully, you can make people aware of rescue rabbits in need of good homes.
    Hopefully, your bunny will go on to have a rescue companion to keep him company.

    William, there is one difference between breeders and rescuers- breeders are in it for money or prizes, rescuers are in it for the animals!
    But this is just more generalizations. Many breeders are in it for money and prizes but there's also ones who are passionate about animals, about improving the breed and don't break even. Why are rescues/super pro rescue people so hesitant to admit that?

    It seems like this particular breeder was in it for prizes - unless they were just misinformed rather than evil - there's always the chance of that. How many people on here housed their rabbits in 4ft hutches before they learned better? But they were just owners so they were completely innocent. Such double standards.

    You don't like being insulted, yet you're so quick to dish it out.
    I don't actually care because I know Im not selfish but it's a true comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William View Post
    But this is just more generalizations. Many breeders are in it for money and prizes but there's also ones who are passionate about animals, about improving the breed and don't break even. Why are rescues/super pro rescue people so hesitant to admit that?
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    Most breeders have to sell on their surplus stock which do not have the correct markings for showing, are too old for breeding from or are not the right sex to breed from otherwise they end up with too many rabbits. From my own experience some even try to pass animals on to rescues pretending that they have recently purchased a pair of animals which were wrongly sexed and now have a litter that they don't want (really meaning that they are unable to sell). The vast majority of breeders are in it for the money otherwise they would not breed rabbits or any other animal. Some have better accommodation than others and some are absolutely dire as illustrated in this thread a few years ago when a number of rescues helped place rabbits and guinea pigs removed from this breeder in the south of England http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/sh...hlight=breeder

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    Apart from money I cannot think why anyone would go into breeding animals when there are already so many in rescues, on free ads, in pet shops, being given away for free, on pet farms and so on and so on. Maybe the rabbit situation is not so bad in America or maybe the problem is spread out more but here it is bad and I don't think anyone has the right to comment unless the have seen the problems first hand. I used to work in rescues too and I will say it again, every breeder is irresponsible. They do it purely for the money or accolades. Purely selfish reasons and many animals are bred to look a certain way which results in health problems. Breeders cause problems and add to the existing one by breeding ill animals from tired over bred mothers, in some cases they condone rape amongst animals and they usually buy the cheapest quality food and accommodation in order to maximize their profits. That is the harsh reality. Rescuing is morally better, people must vote with their wallets and help to drive breeders and pet shops selling livestock out of business. If they can't see a profit in it they won't do it. Its SELFISH TO BREED. They do not do it for the good of the animal or species. If they cared about the species they would add to the burden of unwanted animals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William View Post
    This thread is so skewed. Yes this breeder was bad, yes the OP made a mistake thinking they were reputable. That doesn't mean there aren't any reputable breeders.
    no but many many are awful breeders who put profit over ensuring they dont breed to much and have over cramped and have way to small living areas, do not feed the right diet and pass on incorrect information on size of living space and care to the new owners.

    Quote Originally Posted by William View Post
    Nobody ever mention the fact that there's rescues that are just as bad, if not worse. Nobody ever mentions that many rescue rabbits have tons of health problems (after all nearly all rescue rabbits are from pet shops and backyard breeders) but that's one of the first things people say to someone who's bought from a breeder. Everyone acts as if breeders are evil, greedy people with no morals and no knowledge of rabbits.
    breeders are doing this for profit not to help animals rescues do it to help animals all profit goes back into caring for the animals they are not paid.
    they are volunteers. Breeders choose to put their animals in that situation, choose to over bread, choose to put them in inadequate living quaters... rescues though some do not provide as good quality of care, size of living space, diet etc... as others they have taken an animal who would otherwise be dead, pts, abandoned etc... they are saving lives.

    There are some places calling themselves rescues who do not provide the minimal standard of care etc... these ARE NOT proper rescues.... they may have started with good intentions but they are not officially or properly recognised rescues.

    but even so these places though not providing enough are still taking animals someone else has mistreated, abandoned or were going to die. They had not put them in that position they had not been the direct cause etc...

    These bad breeders choose to stay uneducated choose to no inform themselves and give miss information that like when pet shops do it, leads to the animal being treated cruelty, not getting what they need or being pts or abandoned....

    There are good breeders yes but I have to ask the question why do you want to get a bunny from a breeder when theres so many in need bunnies in rescues, some very young? why give money to someone bringing more bunnies into the world when theres so many needing homes?

    if theres a particular breed you want there are sitting in a rescue somewhere? worried about a home check? if you dont pass its more than likely you cant meet the minimum requirements and if you disagree appeal and say why you think you meet it, my friend did this after she was told no and they changed their mind as she showed and proved she was going to do all she promised. rescues have to make sure rabbits are at least getting the min why is that not a good thing?



    Quote Originally Posted by William View Post
    Threads like this if anything make me more pro breeder. Rescues in general are so distasteful imo. Constant over-zealous remarks and blaming owners and only reporting the facts that make rescues look good, never the whole truth. Bleh. It's grating and all very animal activist/PETA like.
    why would it make you more pro breeder? thats silly? why do you think they make those remarks? its soul destroying to see animals abandoned in a state, neglected, dying, suffering and hurt day in and day out knowing it could easily be stopped but it wont be... knowing that animal will probably spend the the rest of its life in a rescue for various reasons, people prefer to buy from pets shops or breeders ect.. but also knowing some of those people who choose to buy will get fed up or bored or will find it to much or will be given misinformation so those bunnies will end up in a rescue and the cycle will continue. They are brimming full but if they turn someone away its probably a death sentence for that animal

    i dont agree with the rescues making snippy comments I do agree it can put people off rescuing but to say it makes you pro breeder is silly knowing the affects of over breeding and awful breeders.

    i dont see how they are disgraceful just over worked, heartbroken and just wishing that more people would adopt.

    people try to educate others on why breeding isnt the best choice for rabbits as a whole

    Quote Originally Posted by William View Post
    A lot are, yes.
    so why not take a stand and not give money to breeding?
    if no one bought it wouldnt happen then we could start again once the animal situation has improved and only have well informed breeders with spacious living accommodations who provide proper diets

    it will never stop unless we stop
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    Can we not turn this into a breeder debate. The rescues have made their point and with good reason and we should accept their views because they do know best. I know for a fact that this site has made me pro rescue and will make others so too.I merely am concerned with the way things are said than what is said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CookieCrisp View Post
    Can we not turn this into a breeder debate. The rescues have made their point and with good reason and we should accept their views because they do know best. I know for a fact that this site has made me pro rescue and will make others so too.I merely am concerned with the way things are said than what is said.
    i do agree like I said early you can say how you feel and what you want to say without being rude
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