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    Over the last couple of weeks i have taken in three pairs of male rabbits that werent getting on. When they came in all needed vet treatment for wounds. All these were sold from Pets at home who say they are fine together. Today i had a call from a lady who was going to pick up two males recomended by pets at home.. She had been told they were ok but she thankfully rang me to check first. I rung them and asked why they were telling their stores to say 2 males are ok and the fact that i was taking them in because they werent. She said they can live together and they advised nutering. They had been advised to home in twos and there was nothing wrong with 2 males.I admit in the end to loosing my temper with her as im sick to death of their bad advise, rescues are picking up the pieces. Perhaps someone has the energy to perhaps take this further say with one of the bigger rabbit organisnations, ive had enough of bashing my head up against a brick wall.
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    It must be so frustrating for you. I know that as a rescue you probably aren't in favour of Pets at Home selling rabbits at all, but in the short-term what would you like to see happen? Two rabbits bought but kept apart until after neutering?

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    I don't see anything wrong with that, 2 bucks can often live very happily together.

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    what pets at home do is sell two males and when they get to 12-16 wks old they start fighting, and then P&H are not interested the only way 2 males will live together is they have to be early neuter no later than 12 wks or they will fight. Even 2 females will have a go unless neutered for any pair to live together they have to be neutered and this is something that all pet shop don't bother to tell people and then rescues are left to pick up the pieces

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    Quote Originally Posted by elaine View Post
    what pets at home do is sell two males and when they get to 12-16 wks old they start fighting, and then P&H are not interested the only way 2 males will live together is they have to be early neuter no later than 12 wks or they will fight. Even 2 females will have a go unless neutered for any pair to live together they have to be neutered and this is something that all pet shop don't bother to tell people and then rescues are left to pick up the pieces
    Although i agree that many males will fight that is also true of females - so really unless P@H only sell buns once spayed, or singly, or with a legal agreement to neuter once they hit puberty, then selling in pairs is going to always end up in either fights or babies. Its a really tricky one - should we go back to suggesting they sell in singles?

    Some males do get on after the 12 week 'barrier' if not neutered, though it is very risky.

    However, just to clarify, they can be re-introduced to other males at any age once they are neutered. And I have an unneutered male living with neutered male happily - though he is a bit odd.
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    I agree. I had two males from the same litter, not PAH, from an unwanted litter, and we neutered them together as soon as their plums dropped and they got on fine. No fights at all. But that relies on the new owner getting the right advice and acting on it in good time. I guess it is tempting for some to risk it and "see how they get on" rather than fork out on costly neuters. I also suppose that other small animals that are rehomed as pairs do not have to be neutered to get on? I recall having pairs of guineas (mother and daughter) and gerbils (two males) that were not neutered and they got on well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elaine View Post
    what pets at home do is sell two males and when they get to 12-16 wks old they start fighting, and then P&H are not interested the only way 2 males will live together is they have to be early neuter no later than 12 wks or they will fight. Even 2 females will have a go unless neutered for any pair to live together they have to be neutered and this is something that all pet shop don't bother to tell people and then rescues are left to pick up the pieces
    I agree youve saidit. As a rescue i always like to play safe and pair one male one female as its the best pairing. Two females from the same litter spayed at the right time is ok but as a rule i find its best not to say males at all. I know somtimes it works but i would hate to give someone a problem so play it safe.Male female pairing works so well why take a risk that males will inflict wounds on each other.
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    Our Pets at Home sell bucks in pairs too. They do recommend that the new owners get them neutered, but a lot of people wait until the rabbits have actually started fighting before bothering to talk to the vet about it.

    My vets have recently had quite a few cases of bucks being sold in pairs and going on to do serious damage to each other. One case involved emergency surgery to recontruct a penis...which the owner couldn't pay for...my lovely vet did the surgery anyway, and rehomed the rabbit to one of the vet nurses

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    It's a tricky one isn't it, and it's a failing of the pet shop system rather than just pets at home themselves. Assuming that we can't stop the pet shop from selling rabbits or force them to neuter them before hand, its options are:

    1) They only recommend single rabbits...not good for the rabbits in the long term
    2) They only recommend mixed sex pairs as the best long term option...but you can bet your bottom dollar most people won't get them neutered on time (if at all) or will let the buns have "just one litter", not realising that the male will get the female pregnant again right away...
    3) They only recommend two females, which probably has more of a chance of staying stable-ish in the longer term even if left unneutered than two males. But then if they only recommend females...what happens to all the males? Will the breeders simply cull the boy babies because the pet shops only demand females?
    4) They recommend two males, who, like the two females, could potentially live happily together so long as they are neutered quickly...but will cause massive problems, pain, injury and possibly death if they do not.

    In any case, any system which sells unneutered rabbits is 100% reliant on those new owners doing the right thing at the right time and getting those bunnies neutered...which as we know from experience, many won't.
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