Lib_n_bunny
Wise Old Thumper
That's what I wanted to say :?
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That's what I wanted to say :?
Hugo's There
Wise Old Thumper
But do we have actual proof that it was a non existent prize and the person who won is not genuine and a crime has been committed:?
Surely this is what Tamsin is try to find out
Surely this is what Tamsin is try to find out
yes but define members. it is true that we must all be members of the rabbit united forum however rabbits united (as far as I am aware) is not a recognised club/society for the purposes of corporation tax with a constitution, agm etc. "clubs" are a very loose entity but if RU falls under "club" then every member becomes liable for it's debts! I would say it is a very grey area for the administrators to go down if they allowed it without seeking professional advice from an accountant/charity specialist. The only other way you can allow it is by having prize every time draws on here or a raffle during an "event" is also allowed but it would be very hard to define "event" on here.
But do we have actual proof that it was a non existent prize and the person who won is not genuine and a crime has been committed:?
Surely this is what Tamsin is try to find out
I would just report it and let the authorities worry about proving it http://www.actionfraud.org.uk/report_fraud
No more so than any other forum member, such as yourself, or indeed the members that sent money - which have a much more invested in the matter than me.
I have no proof that a hutch doesn't exist and won't be sent for the winner. The only reason the remaining £40 hasn't been sent yet is so the option is there to refund.
kaths101
Warren Veteran
refund who? is there any proof that the hutch DID exist?
Are you able to look into the IP addresses of 'Maggie' and 'the winner'?
Refund the people that entered. Not as far as I'm aware.
Tickets for the raffle were also being sold elsewhere,see post 27 of original thread therefore this was not a private raffle and would have required a license
kaths101
Warren Veteran
£40 isnt going to refund everyone though??
Is there only £40 remaining? I thought it would be more than that??
kaths101
Warren Veteran
Thats good - so how much in total did they get? Its still fraud as we were entering a raffle for a prize that 'probably' didnt exist.. but at least they got all the money?
Hunnybunny2007
Warren Veteran
I would be interested to know where the hutch was purchased from - as you know I contacted Forsham and they were unaware of any hutch being sold at a discount for a fundraiser
Lib_n_bunny
Wise Old Thumper
has it been confirmed that the IP of maggie and of the winner are not the same?
Unfortunately there is no proof that it does exist either. Proof of it's existance is undeniable, proof of it's non-existance is unobtainable. (Unless of course the winner never receives it and informs RU which I fear is not likely to happen for all the wrong reasons.)
Tamsin, I sympathise with yourself and all those who bought tickets. I don't think the true story will ever be known.
I do feel a statement from RU should be issued, those who bought tickets have a right to know what has happened/is happening. How much money in total has been sent to Wood Green for example.
should be easy enough to verify - although it's easy enough to get around that problem anyway, so doesn't mean much
Tamsin said the 2nd portion of the monies collected have not been donated yet, because they are being held incase anyone demands a refund!
I am sure the only reason anyone WILL demand a refund is if the money hasn't been donated - so it's a bit daft holding onto it!
ETA have just seen contradictory post at top of this page saying all additional monies HAVE been donated to wood green (this an hour later than was posted they weren't) no idea in that case!
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to my knowledge Tamsin, you are the only person in touch with 'maggie' - you are the one discussing the matter with her and not me or anyone else on this forum, so I really don't think anyone else can be accused of being an accessory to an unreported crime :?
fact is if you are soft on these people, it will attract more of same. If you report her to the authorities using the link I posted last night, and let them worry about finding proof of hutch's existence or not, then it will not only send the message to any other would-be scammers that it's going to be taken seriously by admin here, but also will protect the internet community at large from such incidents occuring, because knowledge of the way these criminals operate will help the wider community take precautions against crime.
Your knowledge is not accurate then. Several people have contacted maggie privately. If you hit the pm button you can be 'in contact' with maggie too. I don't have any secret lines of communication you don't!
Not sure what you mean by that. I have already announced days ago and several times since that £145 has been received by woodgreen. There is approximately £40 still out standing.
yep I was talking about the £40 (or considerably more - did anyone keep a record of it?) - so she's still keeping that for now is she?
