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    I'm planning on writing something for all my bunny clients at work (vet practice) about E.cuniculi, as many of them are not educated on the dangers, signs etc.
    I would just like some input from you bunny lovers and ask the following questions:

    1) Have you had a bunny with EC, what signs were evident?

    2) Did you get much help/advice from your vets? If so, what?

    3) Is there anything you felt you should have known about EC that you were not told (and you subsequently found out on the net/from another source)?

    4) What information would you have found helpful?

    5) Do you now routinely worm your rabbit?

    6) Which wormer do you use (lapizole or panacur paste)? Do you use that wormer because its easier to administer/your pet prefers the taste/its what the vet gave you?

    I would very much like to hear what you all have to say as i don't feel that EC is given enough press - we all worm our dogs and cats don't we??!!

    Thanks everyone

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    you might find this site of use, i use this one

    http://homepage.mac.com/mattocks/morfz/rabrefs.html#ec


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    Thank you very much for that link - i will have a good read!

    I was also interested to know what people's experience of EC was? In terms of veterinary support and knowledge?

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    EC was brought up at the last RWAF conference, the notes from that may be helpful to you. They are aavailable from the RWAF website.
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    1) Have you had a bunny with EC, what signs were evident?
    Yes, when my Kermit first was ill he had Head Tilt, nystygmus, rolling.....he was permanatly left with head tilt
    2) Did you get much help/advice from your vets? If so, what?
    I found that the vets had limited experience of a bunny with EC, i probably taught them more going through kermits illness
    3) Is there anything you felt you should have known about EC that you were not told (and you subsequently found out on the net/from another source)?
    Yes! I bought Kermit from PAH (first bunny, totally clueless) I feel that if i had been told about panacur i could possibly have prevented this
    4) What information would you have found helpful?
    Basically everything ive been told on this forum!
    5) Do you now routinely worm your rabbit?
    My Kermit passed, i now have Herbie & Inca, they came from rescue and have been panacured, and i will be doing it regularly.

    6) Which wormer do you use (lapizole or panacur paste)? Do you use that wormer because its easier to administer/your pet prefers the taste/its what the vet gave you?
    Panacur paste, find it very easy to give on food.

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    1) Have you had a bunny with EC, what signs were evident?

    Yes Minstrel had E.C. The first symptom he had was loss of use of his back legs. Once he had seen the vet we found out he had also lost his sight.


    2) Did you get much help/advice from your vets? If so, what?

    Minstrel had three episodes of this in the space of 2 months and each time all the vet did was give a steroid, and 9 days of panacur.


    3) Is there anything you felt you should have known about EC that you were not told (and you subsequently found out on the net/from another source)?
    Yes, he should have had 28 days of panacur (as should his friend Twix), I should have been told about the cleaning out of the hutch with bleach etc on specific dates. I should have also been given some painkiller. It makes me wonder if we would still have him today if we'd had all this treatment too.

    4) What information would you have found helpful?
    See Above

    5) Do you now routinely worm your rabbit?
    Yes, 3-4 times a year.

    6) Which wormer do you use (lapizole or panacur paste)? Do you use that wormer because its easier to administer/your pet prefers the taste/its what the vet gave you?
    I use Panacur because it's what the vet gave us.
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    Thank you so much for the replies so far. I will be using the info you give to help me provide clients with an info pack for if their bunny has EC. I also plan to send out letters explaining EC and its treatment to all our bunny clients.

    If anyone else wishes to add their bunny info, please do so as it will help enormously.

    Many Thanks

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    This will probably be long, but will give you an idea of the rubbishness of some vets.

    1) Have you had a bunny with EC, what signs were evident?
    Yes, my bridge bun Charlie. He dragged his legs behind in the one day, we took him to the emergency vet round the corner from our house but by the time we got there he was fine. The emergency vet basically told us to stop wasting his time, that was the Saturday. I was intending to take him to my proper vet on Monday just to be on the safe side. Then on the Sunday we found him stuck on his side flapping around like a fish out of water - absolutely heartbreaking .

    2) Did you get much help/advice from your vets? If so, what?
    It was Sunday so we took him to the emergency vet round the corner, who told us he'd probably had a stroke and would need to be PTS. I asked about EC and he basically shooed me out of the surgery. So I called my normal surgery, got the number for their out of hours emergency vet (its at a different surgery) and went there. They told me he'd probably had a stroke and cos he was almost 8 years old there was nothing they could do for him, and implied he should be PTS there and then. I asked about EC and they basically didn't listen. I asked them to do as I asked and to give him painkillers/anti inflammatories, steroids and painkillers. They did and wanted to keep him in and put him on a drip, and would transfer him to my usual vet first thing the next day.

    My usual vet was brilliant - by the time he called me he'd already put Charlie on panacur and metachlopramide, and he continued the painkillers and steroids. He said it was probably EC but might also be a severe inner ear infection - he xrayed Charlie's head to try to work it out. Charlie lived at the vets (with my vet visiting him through the night) for a week, was then a day patient for a fortnight so they could keep an eye on him while I was at work. He was left tilted but that went away after a year or so. He lived for almost 3 more years before we had to say goodbye to him at the grand old age of 10 and a half.

    3) Is there anything you felt you should have known about EC that you were not told (and you subsequently found out on the net/from another source)?
    Luckily, I already knew a fair bit from reading about other peoples experiences on here.

    4) What information would you have found helpful?
    I learned more things from looking after Charlie - like he was most comfy if I could wedge him with things so he didn't keep rolling over, and to wedge him whicever way his head said was up, even if that meant he was infact upside down. Holding him in my arms was the only way to keep him calm at one point. I think also I hadn't realised just how long it was going to take for him to get better, and that we had to just keep going and not give up hope.

    5) Do you now routinely worm your rabbit?
    Yes. Probably 3 times a year, or if they're going somewhere ie the bunny sitter, or when Charlie was PTS I immediately wormed Lavender incase she was stressed and also cos she would potentially be meeting a new bun (then I wormed Darwin as soon as he arrived at our house). I'm probably over cautious!

    6) Which wormer do you use (lapizole or panacur paste)? Do you use that wormer because its easier to administer/your pet prefers the taste/its what the vet gave you?
    I buy panacur rabbit (ie the paste in the tubes) and put it in the middle of things (such as sugar snaps peas, or thes elittle buscuit treats that I open and fill with panacur). I buy it in bulk from http://www.vetuk.co.uk/index.php?mai...r6fc4urmd1aph0. I use this cos its what the vet originally used, he gave me the liquid cat (or maybe dog) one but the paste is easier to administer.

    Hope this is the sort of thing you were after. Sorry its so long!
    Bev

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    Thanks Bevbunny! That was very informative at not at all long.
    I'm so sorry your bunny has gone but its great that you nursed him through and he had another 3 years!!

    Can i ask, you say you were surprised at how long it took him to recover - how long exactly did it take?
    Also, did your vet ever confirm a diagnosis of EC or did he never truly discover what caused it?

    ps, i'm sorry to hear you had such a bad experience with the other vets

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    Quote Originally Posted by pooks View Post
    Can i ask, you say you were surprised at how long it took him to recover - how long exactly did it take?
    He was flipping over all the time for about 4 days, then he just seemed to lie on his side. A few days later he started to lift his head up and it wasn't until about day 8 that he could right himself and stand up, and then a few days later he could just about hop but was all over the place. It just seemed to take so long for him to get back. This pic is him at about day 11 when we first let him have a hop around, he'd wobble over to a wall or something and just sit there leaning up it. It probably took 2 and a half weeks befor ehe could hop around withouth falling over all the time, he then continued to fall over every so often for several months. His head was only ever slightly tilted as you can see in the pic, and the head tilt lasted about a year.


    Throughout it all he was calmest when we held him like this:


    Quote Originally Posted by pooks View Post
    Also, did your vet ever confirm a diagnosis of EC or did he never truly discover what caused it?
    He was confident that it was EC but obviously a blood test wasn't going to show it as buns carry it anyhow. The xray didn't show any abnormality in his ears and the vet was convinced it would have shown something if it had been an ear infection severe enough to give the symptoms that Charlie had.
    Last edited by BevBunny; 10-01-2010 at 01:50 AM.
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