Hock Sores

[Ross]

Hello everyone!

Marnie has Hock sours bless her, after some research I feel I need to learn better about her bedding! which I will do! but more importantly I want to help her now.

I went to the vets and he gave her a 2 week, twice daily baytril course, and some cleaning stuff to do daily on her. with a check up after one week (9 days due to Christmas, but I may see if I can get slotted in after 6days on xmas eve), but he also advised to put her in a cone for a week to stop the licking it, and to give her newspaper bedding with as little hay on the floor as possible, and to keep hay in high up feeders... few hours later, she jumped in the hutch (no bedding at all, I was cleaning it out) and one started bleeding for the first time. (it quickly stopped bleeding, and hasn't started again) we put on a tiny bit of sudocream, on the advise of the emergency doctors. (Different branch of vets but the same company)

she hates the cone, i'm getting worried about her neck/ears in the cone and Declan trying to eat the plastic cone, and pulling her head as he goes.
we separated them over night (a short sleepless night) but now we both have to work. and I cant trust Declan in the pen without one of us there to supervise.

for the sake of mine and my girlfriends sanity whilst at work, as well as Marnies. and Declans safety. After some online research (hopefully right) I have taken off her cone. put down so much hay as bedding (surely a softer floor as possible has to be better?), and put Declan back in there with her. I don't know it that's right or wrong, but I felt I had to change it.

she instantly groomed her feet, but she had gone hours not being able to, during the short bleed aswell. but now she is laying down on the hay, feet up, quite happy(ish)

I have to go to work right now, and I feel happier and (only slightly) calmer, now she is cone free, with Declan and on hay bedding.

and I right am I wrong? any advice please? any changes I can make when I get home this afternoon? this is the first time I've ever know hock sours where a thing. I've got to go to work now and i'm so worried about leaving them. I hate the thought that my Rabbit naivety has put her in so much stress and pain, she's such a sweet little girl.

 

[Omi]

There are different categories of sore hocks, depending on the severity. I have experience of them with my Rexes, but only in the mildest cases. Mine are outside rabbits and when one of them has been affected I have kept them in their shed on a thick layer of hay.

Other forum members have more experience of more serious sore hocks and I think it might be useful if you could post some pictures of Marnie's feet, so that they can advise.

Sending her lots of vibes. I, too, would have removed the cone.

 

[Zoobec]

I agree with Omi :thumb:

Sending lots of vibes for her xx

 

[joey&boo]

I think you've done right by her too. I think she'll be fine with her buddy while you're at work & later you can explore her treatment plan / solutions

 

[Jack's-Jane]

Sorry not to have time to post a detailed reply, will try to do so later. In the meantime maybe some of the information on these links will be useful :

http://wildpro.twycrosszoo.org/S/00d...is_rabbits.htm

http://www.mayowvets.co.uk/pet-facts...4_295077.shtml

http://www.medirabbit.com/EN/Skin_di...l/Pod/Podo.htm

http://www.cunivetservice.com/docs/SoreHocks.2013.pdf


Two products that I have found to be beneficial to use (only after consulting a Rabbit Savvy Vet ) are Flamazine or Derbymed SCP Spray

https://www.netdoctor.co.uk/medicines/skin-hair/a6737/flamazine-cream-silver-sulfadiazine/

https://www.hyperdrug.co.uk/Derbymed-SCP-Spray-200ml/productinfo/DERBYMSCP/

 

[MightyMax]

Hello everyone!

Marnie has Hock sours bless her, after some research I feel I need to learn better about her bedding! which I will do! but more importantly I want to help her now.

I went to the vets and he gave her a 2 week, twice daily baytril course, and some cleaning stuff to do daily on her. with a check up after one week (9 days due to Christmas, but I may see if I can get slotted in after 6days on xmas eve), but he also advised to put her in a cone for a week to stop the licking it, and to give her newspaper bedding with as little hay on the floor as possible, and to keep hay in high up feeders... few hours later, she jumped in the hutch (no bedding at all, I was cleaning it out) and one started bleeding for the first time. (it quickly stopped bleeding, and hasn't started again) we put on a tiny bit of sudocream, on the advise of the emergency doctors. (Different branch of vets but the same company)

she hates the cone, i'm getting worried about her neck/ears in the cone and Declan trying to eat the plastic cone, and pulling her head as he goes.
we separated them over night (a short sleepless night) but now we both have to work. and I cant trust Declan in the pen without one of us there to supervise.

for the sake of mine and my girlfriends sanity whilst at work, as well as Marnies. and Declans safety. After some online research (hopefully right) I have taken off her cone. put down so much hay as bedding (surely a softer floor as possible has to be better?), and put Declan back in there with her. I don't know it that's right or wrong, but I felt I had to change it.

she instantly groomed her feet, but she had gone hours not being able to, during the short bleed aswell. but now she is laying down on the hay, feet up, quite happy(ish)

I have to go to work right now, and I feel happier and (only slightly) calmer, now she is cone free, with Declan and on hay bedding.

and I right am I wrong? any advice please? any changes I can make when I get home this afternoon? this is the first time I've ever know hock sours where a thing. I've got to go to work now and i'm so worried about leaving them. I hate the thought that my Rabbit naivety has put her in so much stress and pain, she's such a sweet little girl.

I agree about a think layer of hay being a good thing for sore hocks.
People have also used rubber matting, which seems to take the pressure off.

You are doing your very best for her and you obviously both love your rabbits dearly.

Some info here might help:

http://www.disabledrabbits.com/sore-hocks.html

http://www.vetcareltd.co.uk/pet-factsheets/Factsheets/Otherpets/24_295077.shtml

http://www.cunivetservice.com/docs/SoreHocks.2013.pdf

http://www.sawneeanimalclinic.com/downloads/sore_hocks_pododermatitis_in_rabbits.pdf

http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/s...ubber-stable-matting&highlight=rubber+matting

 

[Ross]

Thanks guys for the info!! and im glad you all agree with the changes I made to what the vet said. The sours are still looking sour, but maybe the tiniest bit better. ill try and upload a picture of her legs as they look right now if I can work out how two.

think im going to leave her in her hutch with all the hay for a couple of days to limit the movement she can make. any ideas on my next steps or do you think I should see how what im doing goes after a few more days of baytril and hibiscrub. I was going to put some baby socks to put on her whilst we are hear, but shes not licking her feet as much at the moment, and think sock could irritate a, hopefully, working system?

 

[Ross]

https://ibb.co/F8RdcP7

does this link work??

if so this is her feet this afternoon

 

[MightyMax]

Thanks guys for the info!! and im glad you all agree with the changes I made to what the vet said. The sours are still looking sour, but maybe the tiniest bit better. ill try and upload a picture of her legs as they look right now if I can work out how two.

think im going to leave her in her hutch with all the hay for a couple of days to limit the movement she can make. any ideas on my next steps or do you think I should see how what im doing goes after a few more days of baytril and hibiscrub. I was going to put some baby socks to put on her whilst we are hear, but shes not licking her feet as much at the moment, and think sock could irritate a, hopefully, working system?

You're welcome

I've just looked at the photos, and they are something I would certainly be concerned about. I actually made socks and boots for one of my rabbits, but clean cotton socks might help *if she will keep them on* !!

You could ask your vet about bandaging, but certainly I wouldn't do this myself.

There's some info here:


Sore hocks grading:

Grade I: early disease with no symptoms.
Grade II: mild disease with intact skin.
Grade III: moderate with ulcers/scabs present.
Grade IV: severe with abscess formation and deeper tissues affected.
Grace V: severe and often irreversible, as bone infection occurs and tendon damage results in a permanently altered stance




http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/s...-do-you-Bandage-rabbit-feet&highlight=bandage

http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/s...re-hock-advice-needed&highlight=bandage+hocks

http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/showthread.php?231564-Treating-sore-hocks-when-bleeding

http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/s...re-Hocks-Example-of-an-Anti-Pressure-Dressing

 

[Ross]

Her feet are looking alot better!! Not all the way there, but definitely a big improvement in the last 2 days

 

[MightyMax]

Her feet are looking alot better!! Not all the way there, but definitely a big improvement in the last 2 days

Great to hear :thumb:

 

[Jack's-Jane]

Her feet are looking alot better!! Not all the way there, but definitely a big improvement in the last 2 days

That's really good news to be seeing improvement already. Sore hocks can be a to manage. But it is possible, even in some really severe cases. I have kept Rex Rabbits for about 21 years and they are very prone to Sore Hocks. So over the years I have been taught a lot about how best to manage them. One of the important things to remember is that Sore Hocks can be a secondary symptom of another mobility problem. So the Vet needs to not only treat the sore hocks but to also establish if there is any primary cause and, where possible, treat that too.

I hope that Marnie's hocks continue to heal well

 

[Ross]

Thanks guys!! Ahh thanks jack's Jane! Well she's got a vets receive coming up, and our usuall vet is moving. Think I might search for another rabbit savvy vet in my area. I've over ruled this vet twice now after asking advise in hear and doing my own research. so when I find a new one I will have a full check up!

Erm I've left her in the hutch for a couple of days now to keep her off the carpet/rug in living, do you guys think I should leave her in for another day or so? Or open the hutch up for her so it's her choice to go on it or not like normal??
The sores are still there but deffo improvement