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anon101
23-08-2007, 08:18 AM
Hi Folks,

I have not started this thread to dish out blame or start an argument.

I wanted to let people know that we are now treating all our rabbits that currently reside with me with a seven day course of this:

http://www.hyperdrug.com/prodinfo.asp?number=COX112

We are continuing our 48 hour cleaning/disinfecting routine with Jeyes fluid.

I have also contacted everyone who has given me rabbits to foster and who we have sent rabbits to in the last two months, a message asking them to treat all there rabbits with a seven day course of this liquid and to adhere to our cleaning routine with Jeyes fluid while treating them.

I implore Eastbourne Rabbit Rescue to at least follow the above treatment for a week if there not prepared to quarantine. I cannot prove that the Coccidiosis parasite came from there but I do know that we had sick rabbits arrive and die within 24 hours of arriving from there.

Louise

elve
23-08-2007, 08:23 AM
For what it's worth :roll: Here's a post about this topic from the care threads
http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/showthread.php?t=99931

anon101
23-08-2007, 08:34 AM
The active ingredient in the Harkers Coxoid is Amprolium Hydrochloride. As far as I am aware PANACUR wormer does not contain this ingredient so is ineffective as a treatment for coccidiosis. I was lead to believe otherwise by my vet.

Louise

Bavarian Bunny
23-08-2007, 08:55 AM
What exactly is Jeyes fluid, Louise?

anon101
23-08-2007, 09:10 AM
A very strong disinfectant:

http://www.jeyes.co.uk/jeyesfluidJF.htm

Louise

Bavarian Bunny
23-08-2007, 09:17 AM
Thanks for the link. :D

elve
23-08-2007, 09:19 AM
OK so I've done some research and I can't imagine why that lady said panacur had the same ingredients :shock:

Amprolium hydrochloride is however only effective against SOME types of coccidia (there are many!) As it's for use in birds, it obviously targets those coccidia most often found in birds - which are often not the same ones as those found in rabbits. It is therefore recommended to mix it with other drugs - as mentioned here :

......'Because amprolium has poor activity against some Eimeria spp......(it) has been extended by using it in mixtures with.........ethopabate and sulfaquinoxaline....'

(from http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/200800.htm&word=coccidia)

anon101
23-08-2007, 09:31 AM
How did I know you would be researching to try and find something wrong with our treatment methods Elve? ;)

I spoke to the vet regarding the Coxoid treatment and he said the drug Amprolium was specifically mentioned by the laboratory that are testing the tissue samples from Blanche. Combined with our cleaning/disinfecting methods he thinks this is the best preventative treatment route.

He did mention trying some of the sulfa drugs if we get any other symptomatic rabbits but as they are not licensed for use in rabbits and are mainly designed for sheep/cattle he was hesitant to use them as a preventative method.

Louise

elve
23-08-2007, 10:09 AM
I am not trying to find fault with your vet Louise - I am trying to help rabbits who are ill and also trying to find information to reassure the many posters here who are now worried about coccidia.

I hate to mention the obvious, but is coxoid licensed or designed for use in rabbits? Does a rabbit have more in common with sheep/cows, or pigeons?

Something else that you or others might find helpful is that steam cleaning kills coccidia - no nasty chemicals necessary.

Sooz
23-08-2007, 10:17 AM
Thanks for the link Louise we will get some in just incase. :)

Adele
23-08-2007, 10:20 AM
I am not trying to find fault with your vet Louise - I am trying to help rabbits who are ill and also trying to find information to reassure the many posters here who are now worried about coccidia.

I hate to mention the obvious, but is coxoid licensed or designed for use in rabbits? Does a rabbit have more in common with sheep/cows, or pigeons?

Something else that you or others might find helpful is that steam cleaning kills coccidia - no nasty chemicals necessary.


Elve it is kind of you to try and help find the information for other members whose bunnies may be affected by coccidia.
However, as their are different strains of Coccidia, it will be down to the individual vet to recommend the best treatment for each rabbit involved.
Steam cleaning is a good method of zapping the bugs though, we are using this to sterilise the rabbit units at the Sanctuary:)
Most drugs are not licenced for use in rabbits , as money is rarely allocated for this purpose.
When rabbits are seriously ill, and there is not much other alternative (or in the case of a rabbit affected by Coccidia), it does not make much difference whether drugs is licenced , as long as vet feels it may help.
I trust in a vets opinion about the affectiveness of a drug for our rabbits, as if we waited for all the drugs to be licenced, many bunnies would suffer and probably die before then.
Louise I am glad that you have got to the bottom of the problems, and wish you and the bunnies every success with all the treatments you try.
Thinking of you

Raven Rexs
23-08-2007, 10:43 AM
ive used this method for 4yrs now it hasnt done any harm to my buns BUT i hant had coxi since iv started using it :D

elve
23-08-2007, 11:54 AM
Elve it is kind of you to try and help find the information for other members whose bunnies may be affected by coccidia.
However, as their are different strains of Coccidia, it will be down to the individual vet to recommend the best treatment for each rabbit involved.
Steam cleaning is a good method of zapping the bugs though, we are using this to sterilise the rabbit units at the Sanctuary:)
Most drugs are not licenced for use in rabbits , as money is rarely allocated for this purpose.
When rabbits are seriously ill, and there is not much other alternative (or in the case of a rabbit affected by Coccidia), it does not make much difference whether drugs is licenced , as long as vet feels it may help.
I trust in a vets opinion about the affectiveness of a drug for our rabbits, as if we waited for all the drugs to be licenced, many bunnies would suffer and probably die before then.
Louise I am glad that you have got to the bottom of the problems, and wish you and the bunnies every success with all the treatments you try.
Thinking of you

Yes. I wasn't saying that unlicensed drugs should not be used. I have been advocating the use of an unlicensed drug for many weeks now. It's called sulfaquinoxaline. I am aware that there are many types of coccidia. Which is why I keep trying to help those that don't seem to realise this. :roll:

raine
23-08-2007, 12:56 PM
Helpful info Elve and Raven.

Raven Rexs
23-08-2007, 01:00 PM
woo hoo finaly i got some credit as it was me who first posted about this product and disi

Vanessa.B
23-08-2007, 02:30 PM
Hi, sorry if I have confused anybody or got it wrong. When I googled coxoid I was given a link straight to Panacur ( not sure what site, sorry up way to early with a very painful ear infection). I am more than happy to be corrected on this matter.

PS As for the Jeyes fluid can this be used on a regular basis for cleaning? Does it need diluting?

Raven Rexs
23-08-2007, 02:36 PM
Yes defintly dilute it 1 part jeyes to 80 parts water also let the hutch air for a while and dont use it in un ventalated areas

Doncat5
23-08-2007, 02:37 PM
I must say Jeyes fluid is great stuff.... my mum has used it forever and I use it now, it smells good, brings back a lot of childhood memories and kills loads of bad stuff, what more could you want!! Oh and you can buy it from virtually everywhere!:D

elve
23-08-2007, 02:48 PM
Bear in mind though that the fumes from Jeyes are toxic to a rabbit's liver in the same way that wood shavings are - both contain phenols.

Vanessa.B
23-08-2007, 02:49 PM
I am being very dense here - does the Jeyes fluid need rinsing off or can it air dry. Also how about bleach, does that need rinsing off. Sorry, am new to all this.

Doncat5
23-08-2007, 03:09 PM
I dont use Jeyes very often on the bunnies housing (but its great for doggy poo and wee areas and you can disinfect soil that cats have toileted in!! ) but the concrete around the hutches gets done a lot, the flies hate it! Every few weeks I do the hutches (or if theres a chance a poorly foster bun could have been in there). Its not practical in the winter as it doesnt dry quick enough,so I use hutch sprays the rest of the time. I chuck a bucket of watered down solution in, leave it for a couple of mins to kill off the germs, then scrape the excess out with a window squeegey.... I have been known to rinse off with clear water to reduce the smell and dry off with some paper towels, though the smell has usually gone in a couple of hours.:)

Raven Rexs
23-08-2007, 03:10 PM
it wont need rinsing off if you how diliuted it 1 part jeyes to 80 parts water

Doncat5
23-08-2007, 03:12 PM
I am being very dense here - does the Jeyes fluid need rinsing off or can it air dry. Also how about bleach, does that need rinsing off. Sorry, am new to all this.

As far as I'm aware you dont HAVE to rinse off either and once dried its supposed to be safe, but in a small area it may be a good idea to rinse, to reduce the fumes..... I cant bear the smell of bleach!

Raven Rexs
23-08-2007, 04:55 PM
please Note It Was Me Who Posted About This Treatment And Have Lots More Medi Knowledge That Im Willing To Share

Snowy
23-08-2007, 05:12 PM
As far as I'm aware you dont HAVE to rinse off either and once dried its supposed to be safe, but in a small area it may be a good idea to rinse, to reduce the fumes..... I cant bear the smell of bleach!

I ALWAYS rinse off after washing with Jeyes for safety sake, I wouldn;t want to put any bunnies in danger as it is so strong

elve
23-08-2007, 05:15 PM
please Note It Was Me Who Posted About This Treatment And Have Lots More Medi Knowledge That Im Willing To Share

Your medal is in the post ;)

Snowy
23-08-2007, 05:17 PM
Your medal is in the post ;)


Yes, but she wasn't the first to post about the treatment, so do all those before her get bigger medals????:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

elve
23-08-2007, 05:20 PM
Yes, but she wasn't the first to post about the treatment, so do all those before her get bigger medals????:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Well I diagnosed coccidia so I want an oscar! :lol:

Snowy
23-08-2007, 05:22 PM
Well I diagnosed coccidia so I want an oscar! :lol:

PMSL:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hey Elve ..........you didn't put that in big enough letters:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Raven Rexs
23-08-2007, 05:25 PM
i was the first to post the treatment wat is wrong with you lot?

Raven Rexs
23-08-2007, 05:30 PM
im not being funny but my post on treatment of it was made yesterday at 9.47am take alook at the others

BinkyBun
23-08-2007, 05:30 PM
To ellepotter: I just want to say that I'm sorry for everything you've been through and am relieved that you finally have some answers. Thank you for sharing your experience and the successful conclusions for treatment. Thinking of you and your bunnies xxxxx

cashmincal
23-08-2007, 05:34 PM
Eh; well done Raven :lol:

elve
23-08-2007, 05:38 PM
Yeah and Raven - when you PM me:

...'how come u are trying to take cred for my treatment of coccidosis when you know for a fact it was me. its really bad i have got something to prove and need to please please can you at least give me the credit i deserve please'

......it doesn't make me feel ashamed or full of admiration or in fact anything except :shock: :lol: :lol: but it's hilarious how seriously you take yourself so I have diagnosed you are a MAN :shock:

Raven Rexs
23-08-2007, 05:43 PM
are you trying to be funny i am in fact a woman if you must know i have had ppl taking credit for my work since i was a kid and am fed up of it can you plz just admit it was me that surgested it

Snowy
23-08-2007, 05:46 PM
are you trying to be funny i am in fact a woman if you must know i have had ppl taking credit for my work since i was a kid and am fed up of it can you plz just admit it was me that surgested it

EXCUSE ME...........Raven Rexs try reading this which was posted on the 10th August, before you were a member

http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/showthread.php?t=98959

You were NOT the first to suggest it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

loopylop
23-08-2007, 05:47 PM
This isn't getting anyone very far. Am locking this thread.