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Adele
17-08-2007, 02:59 PM
Dear All,

in view of the nasty Myxomatosis outbreak here in the Sanctuary, amongst vaccinated bunnies, I wondered how you felt about the following:

At first sign of Myxomatosis all rabbits were isolated and treated with SPOT ON to prevent spread by Fleas, and anti mosquito measures taken (well were already in place).
This seems to have slowed the spread of the disease, but new cases are still appearing.

Vet said there are two ways of trying to contain spread, and we opted for the isolating of rabbits, treating and euthanaising individual rabbits as and when necessary.
The other approach would be to have any rabbit showing symptoms immediately put to sleep to stop it spreading to other rabbits.
As we have 32 rabbits in residence, this may need a different approach than a rabbit keeper with just a couple of rabbits.

As things go on, and more and more bunnies become affected and suffer with nasty sores, bad eyes and kidney inflammation (which may or may not right itself, only time will tell), I am beginning to think it may be kinder to have any more new bunnies showing symptoms put to sleep, regardless of how severe their symptoms.
The fact is, we could end up with 32 rabbits infected at this rate, and the mortality rate will be high with rabbits already old and frail.
Whatever approach , it is utterly heartbreaking, but now that a third of the rabbits overall have been infected, I am beginning to think it is going to spread amongst the lot:( :(
I will dicuss this more in depth with our vet when we take Larkspur late today, but wanted to ask your opinions.
I know it is a very upsetting subject, and I am so sorry if it stirs up sad feelings amongst you lovely people. I am asking, as it may help others(especially rescues, or people who keep large numbers of bunnies as pets) if god forbid this disease continues to bypass the vaccines.

Thank you
Best wishes
Adele

elve
17-08-2007, 03:03 PM
I think it's entirely up to you, as you are the one having to do all the nursing, which is a full time job, and I'm sure it's very hard to see rabbits in such an awful state. I know that a vaccinated rabbit stands every chance of recovering eventually, but if your rabbits are already old and ill then they maybe don't have such a fighting chance.

Sooz
17-08-2007, 03:05 PM
In my own opinion I have always said that if any of my rabbits or rabbits in my care went onto develope full blown myxi I would have them PTS.

I have never been in this situation and pray I never will be but I do hope I could follow through on this sentiment if the time came.

I think the wisest words I have ever heard are 'just because you can do something dosnt mean you should'.....you need to weigh up the suffering through treatment against the longterm prognosis and likely success.

abbymarysmokey
17-08-2007, 03:07 PM
Adele, I'm terribly sorry about what's happened. I only hope that no more bunnies become infected :cry:

I have never been in this position myself, so can't really say what I would do in your situation. I think I would definitely PTS any infected unvaccinated rabbits, but I'm not really not sure about the vaccinated ones.

Do you have a wild rabbit population nearby? If so, it might not make much difference to PTS your own affected bunnies.

I know somebody who lives in the countryside who has had myxi in her vaccinated pet rabbits almost every year in recent times.

Amy :cry:

Adele
17-08-2007, 03:08 PM
I think it's entirely up to you, as you are the one having to do all the nursing, which is a full time job, and I'm sure it's very hard to see rabbits in such an awful state. I know that a vaccinated rabbit stands every chance of recovering eventually, but if your rabbits are already old and ill then they maybe don't have such a fighting chance.

Thanks Elve:) I dont mind doing the nursing at all, it is simply my concern at what is best for the bunnies long term.
9 have now been infected, some are almost recovered, but quite a few have serious kidney problems despite the antibiotics etc.
The vet thinks some of the rabbits will have long lasting problems, as it seems to be a very severe strain attacking internal organs (aswell as the typical nodules) considering they are vaccinated:(

Azraelm
17-08-2007, 03:08 PM
Is it possible to foster out the currently healthy rabbits to friends who do not have rabbits of their own?

Adele
17-08-2007, 03:14 PM
In my own opinion I have always said that if any of my rabbits or rabbits in my care went onto develope full blown myxi I would have them PTS.

I have never been in this situation and pray I never will be but I do hope I could follow through on this sentiment if the time came.

I think the wisest words I have ever heard are 'just because you can do something dosnt mean you should'.....you need to weigh up the suffering through treatment against the longterm prognosis and likely success.

Hiya, some of the affected bunnies seem to be developing full blown type symptoms (ie Bobby, Snuggles) and these we have had put to sleep:(
Some of the bunnies only have one nose nodule and are bouncing back to health.
I think you are right suggesting we dont prolong treatment of bunnies with the more severe type in hopes they will recover, as chance are they will be the ones with long term problems:( .
It is hard deciding when to make the call...all of the bunnies are our family and mean the world to us, I would feel bad for not giving them a chance, but bad cause in giving them that chance they may suffer:(

Adele
17-08-2007, 03:15 PM
Is it possible to foster out the currently healthy rabbits to friends who do not have rabbits of their own?


Some bunnies have already been fostered out to close friends.
We are monitoring their progress very carefully, and all are clear at the moment.

Sooz
17-08-2007, 03:21 PM
Hiya, some of the affected bunnies seem to be developing full blown type symptoms (ie Bobby, Snuggles) and these we have had put to sleep:(
Some of the bunnies only have one nose nodule and are bouncing back to health.
I think you are right suggesting we dont prolong treatment of bunnies with the more severe type in hopes they will recover, as chance are they will be the ones with long term problems:( .
It is hard deciding when to make the call...all of the bunnies are our family and mean the world to us, I would feel bad for not giving them a chance, but bad cause in giving them that chance they may suffer:(

Its a really tough call to make and I think its one of those situation where you never know how you will react until it happens, but at the same time I think its important that rescues, foster carers and people with large amounts of rabbits plan ahead so if the time ever comes there is already a protocol to follow with regards to treatment and quarantine.

Each bunny needs to be considered individually in my opinion and unless I had a house full of full blown myxi bunnies I would never euthanise all of them just on the off chance it may help a few that appear unaffected at that stage.

elve
17-08-2007, 03:23 PM
I think I'm right in saying you can tell within a fortnight whether or not they are going to recover?

Jack's-Jane
17-08-2007, 03:40 PM
God forbid that I should ever have to be in such a terrible situation but if I were and if all the Rabbits on site were well within 6 months of Vaccination I would go for the 'Isolation of infected Rabbit/Euthanase on a case by case basis.

Given that a Rabbit can have Myxo yet show no signs up to 4 days after infection I dont think Euthanasing as soon as symptoms are evident would necessarily control the outbreak :? The infected Rabbit may well have already infected others before any symtoms show up.

I would always PTS a non Vaccinated Rabbit as *personally* I dont think I could see a Rabbit suffer the horrors of full blown Myxo.
With already compromised Rabbits I would decided what to do (with Vets advice) on a case by case basis.

I am so very sorry this is happening Adele :cry: :cry:

Janex

Azraelm
17-08-2007, 03:43 PM
Some bunnies have already been fostered out to close friends.
We are monitoring their progress very carefully, and all are clear at the moment.

Ah ok. What an awful decision to make :cry: . Thinking of you xx

WalnutEarth626
17-08-2007, 03:44 PM
In my own opinion I have always said that if any of my rabbits or rabbits in my care went onto develope full blown myxi I would have them PTS.

I think the wisest words I have ever heard are 'just because you can do something dosnt mean you should'.....you need to weigh up the suffering through treatment against the longterm prognosis and likely success.

Agree completely, years ago I had one rabbit catch Myxi and literally within 10 minutes of me spotting it it it was down the vets being PTS. I had the health of 30 - 40 other rabbits to consider and it wasn't worth risking their lives by trying to save another. Greater good and all that. I caught it so quick that none of my other rabbits caught it, thankfully.

A very wise sentance their Sooz, and one I truly believe in.

Good luck whatever you decide to do Adele.

Angie65
17-08-2007, 03:48 PM
I'm usually totally anti-pts unless absolutely necessary - but I can see how you would have to consider the remaining buns. I haven't voted cos I'm not sure what I would do in the circumstances. I think if I had one bun show symptoms, I would completely separate & treat, but if there were signs of others catching it, I may consider pts of all buns with signs - which is a horrific thought, but if we were talking the death of 2 buns against the death of all........I don't think i could ever watch it sweep through one after the other...

It's awful to even think about. I can't imagine what you are going through, & I hope there is some improvement soon.:cry:

LurcherGirl
17-08-2007, 03:52 PM
I had one bunny with fully blown myxi (not vaccinated yet as I had only just got her), she was in the same room as my other bunnies for four days, then the first symptoms showed... I quarantined her immediately downstairs, had all the others vaccinated (as they weren't up to date at the time), also kept up with the homeopathic vaccinations. I nursed little Star for three weeks, but she didn't make it.

None of my other rabbits caught it, but would I nurse Star through again if I had the chance again? I am not sure, but I tend to think not! Although she seemed to be in good spirit until a couple of days before she died, I do feel now that it probably wasn't fair on her and maybe I should have had her put to sleep earlier!

So I have voted to separate, treat and euthanise if necessary, I managed to contain the disease that way, but it is really a very personal decision and I wouldn't blame you for doing this or euthanise at first signs!

Vera

Adele
17-08-2007, 03:53 PM
I think I'm right in saying you can tell within a fortnight whether or not they are going to recover?

Yes Elve:) Bunnies tend to recover between 7-14 days after first symptoms.

phillppe f-lop
17-08-2007, 03:54 PM
after just nursing my bunny with myxi i really feel for you, 6 weeks on my phillippe is doing fine, but knowing when to make that call is so hard :(

elaine
17-08-2007, 04:34 PM
adele

I am afraid I would pts as soon as they show any signs and I know people will think this is wrong but then at least you have a chance,

maxbun
17-08-2007, 04:49 PM
I'm so sorry that you are having to deal with this terrible disease. My two rabbits both contracted myxi last October. Millie only had 2 swellings and recovered without any problems apart from a bald patch where the large swelling was over her eye. Fergus on the other hand suffered badly - eventually his whole body was covered in swellings and scabs. As he had been vaccinated the vet kept saying give him a bit longer, and I did take this advice. However, after 6 long weeks of intensive nursing, he suddenly went very 'flat' and lost interest in everything so I made the hard decision to let him go peacefully. Looking back I do wonder whether I did the right thing by treating him for so long, and I also wonder what sort of condition he would have been in had he survived. I think you have to treat each case as an individual because rabbits react in different ways. Thinking of you.
Jane

Spacegirl
17-08-2007, 04:54 PM
I agree with Jane - I don't think eithenasing as soon as sympotoms appear would necessarily prevent further spread as they would have already be contagious. I would go with the first option of taking each bun on an individual basis and to separate all bunnies as far as possible to prevent spread.
Its very hard to say though, without being put in that situation.
I don't think there is anything you can do that is 100% right and effective - you can only do your best with the information you have available to you at the time. Its very difficult.
Do you know how long the disease can be harboured before symptoms appear?

kayjay
17-08-2007, 05:16 PM
I think in a 'home' situation where there maybe only two rabbits if the rabbits were vaccinated I'd give it a go and hope they recover. If I had four or six rabbits I'd isolate and treat each rabbit individually as you have no way of knowing if the symptoms might be mild and easy to recover from.

However I do feel it's different if there are a lot of rabbits to consider in the case of a rescue, sanctuary or breeder. It must be a horrendous situation to be in but I think I'd pts if that would help to stop it spreading.

I find it unbelievable that 'man' thought this was an acceptable way of controlling the wild rabbit 'pest' situation :evil:

edit: thinking about it though, I remember Lucy's rabbits Harley and Honey and how much they suffered and also how much it cost her to get them through it and I honestly don't know what I'd do. I pray I never need to decide.

Beebop
17-08-2007, 05:23 PM
This is just awful, I am so, so sorry this has happened Adele, I hope all the buns are okay. :cry: Sending lots of vibes! xx

Jack's-Jane
17-08-2007, 05:37 PM
Do you know how long the disease can be harboured before symptoms appear?


If transmission was by biting insect the first visible symptom occurs about 4 days after inoculation. So an infected Rabbit could be asymptomatic yet infectious/contageous during those 4 days.

Janex

AlisonA
17-08-2007, 06:17 PM
I don't envy you with those options Adele :?

What's the risk level of direct bun to bun transmission compared to the risk from biting insects?

Jack's-Jane
17-08-2007, 06:39 PM
I don't envy you with those options Adele :?

What's the risk level of direct bun to bun transmission compared to the risk from biting insects?


Not 100% sure but is it not via direct contact with the Myxo nodules and/or nasal or occular discharge :?

Janex

elve
17-08-2007, 06:42 PM
From what I've read they can't catch it from other bunnies, even living together, only from biting insects including fur mites. When they are very advanced with myxi the pus and snot can be contagious but you would never leave them together with apparently healthy buns that long anyway.

Snowflakes mummy
17-08-2007, 07:03 PM
I must say I agree with eveerything sooz has said. You know the rabbits better than anyone, and I think we also get an insight as to whether they will recover or not. I think you know when you need to do what you need to do .... but I would try and isolate affected buns from the others as well.

Tamsin
17-08-2007, 07:16 PM
I would pts any with full blown myxi or on a case by case basis if the nodules appear in a bad place or the bun is to frail to cope. I wouldn't routinely pts for nodular myxi tho.

The myxi must have originally come from the wild population so there is no guarantee infections not coming from there instead on the bunnies already with it.

AFAIK once they've had it that will act the same as a vaccination so they won't get it twice.

Tam

Michele
17-08-2007, 07:20 PM
As a non Bunny owner, ( I am owned by a Cat who I would not risk a Bunny with,) but I have come to love Bunnies so much, and I know and love all Adele's Bunnies, I know how hard it has been for her nursing so many poorly bunnies at the same time for her.
Plus she also has others also needing special care.

I voted for isolate treat and euthanise if needed.

But some rescues just cannot afford vaccination and so for them there is no option but to euthanise any affected Bunny.

If one of my Bunnies got sick then I would try to nurse them better.

I would know when to stop and put the Bunny first.
But as a retired nurse who has bought my cat through many health crisises, I would have a go.

Adele has not wanted me to visit to see them so poorly as some i.e. Wilbur and King Arthur she told me had horrid sores. Not pleasant to see.

So Snuggle's and Bobby's deaths were hard for me as I did not get to say goodbye.

She wants me to remember them as I saw them both the last time, and Bobby in particular being able to run around the garden having taken him there almost twice the weight he had been. And from being a lone Bunny only able to take a few steps before he got out of breath, to a Bunny who would run and hide when he heard his hutch doors open in the evening, and then to bond to Mauna-Kea and then having 2 more girlies to care for.
Snuggles who I was fond of, had a near miss last year after a nasty bite to an artery was gushing, but once again Adele rushed into action ( despite her hate of blood) and got her to the vet in time to save her. She lived with Wilbur who is so cheeky and whom I have watched grow from a tiny little bunny to the lovely handsome boy he is now.

If I had any Bunnie, which I may in the future I would always ensure they were vaccinated.

But new strains of the illnesses emerge as we have seen this year and if this weather continues as it has been then the mosquito's will continue to bite Bunnies, but unvaccinated Bunnies, wild and city liver's will get the full blown disease and it is then probably inevitable that new strains will continue to emerge.

And with the UK not using the best vaccines available as they are not yet licensed here, we have to continue to make Bunny owner's aware of the illness and the need for continued vaccination with what we do have avaialable.

And perhaps petition the people who consider the licenses to license the European type as there has been such a rise in the illness here.
Where would we inundate with letters I wonder?!!;)

(The same as with human flu vaccine the powers that be, having to try and predict what type may need covering the following year.)

And in some Bunnies the vaccine may not work or not give full protection. Often dependant upon the individual Bunnies immune response.

But as many have said nursing 1 or 2 sick Bunnies is very different to having 29 Bunnies on the site at the same time and up to 7 all ill at one stage and having 24 others to monitor frequently, till 9 had succumbed to the illness and sadly 2 had to go to the Bridge.

But due to her wonderful care, Wilbur, Arthur, Poppy, Coco, Merlin, Boadicea are recovering but as she said some may be left with ongoing health problems.
Larkspur is not out of danger yet.
Our prayers and thoughts are still needed for Larkspur and all the Bunnies.

Slightly sort of off topic but...
The news is talking of humans contracting malaria is rising in the UK, as the number of mosquito's has increased due to the weather and the number of people reporting and needing treatment for bites and the disease has also dramatically increased.
And some of the mosquitos have bitten previous malaria carriers or sufferers here in the UK and have passed it on.

I had no success on Midlands Today, as I discovered Nick Owen was on holiday but in view of the item on mosquitoes on the news today, I shall send my e mail again to the newsroom.
The more the mozzies there are, the greater the risk of myxo spreading.

elaine
17-08-2007, 07:39 PM
there was a article in the sunday mirror last week about mxyi and telling people to vaccs

Elaine

smokiemistyozzy
17-08-2007, 08:08 PM
I would treat and pts where necessary. I would also like to know when you can vaccine again after a rabbits had myxi and where it's worth doing so?

Nix
17-08-2007, 08:33 PM
I agree with Jane.

I think that as they are vaccinated, they have a chance of recovery. I would therefore want to do all I could to help the infected rabbits make it through.

Personally, I couldn't euthanise as a preventative measure because there is the potential for recovery.

It's a horrible situation for you to be in though, Adele; you are the only one who can make the call on what to do because you have to live with it.

Adele
17-08-2007, 08:42 PM
Thank you so much for everyone who has contributed thoughts and ideas to this thread, we really are most grateful.
Please keep your opinions flowing , we will continue to read and reply to the thread.
I have spoken to my vet, and she confirmed that all the bunnies who have had Myxomatosis should be vaccinated in around 6 weeks after they have recovered. This contradicts my thoughts that rabbits have an immunity after infection, but the Myxo vaccine covers more than one strain anyway.
Tamsin mentionned that rabbits cannot get Myxomatosis after infection, which is what I would have believed in the past. However, Sir Galahad our Dalmation Rex got MYxomatosis for two years running, the nodular version(but perhaps could have been two different strains of Myxo??)
My vet said there is no right or wrong way to approach the control of the Myxomatosis here at the sanctuary and she will support whatever decisions we feel it necessary to make.
My head tells me to euthanaise every new case , but my heart wont let me do it, truly I cannot. People keep telling me how brave I am being, but I am not at all, just have to keep going for the sake of the bunnies.
I feel the only way I can continue is to treat each rabbit as an individual and euthanaise on medical grounds as necessary.
I have to give the the rabbits a chance, I owe them that much.
My life skill is caring for special needs bunnies, and this is the time to utilise those skills to the full.
my vet said nursing 6 rabbits back to health out of 8, especially when some of these had other problems to begin with, is a very good statistic.
Even if the Myxo spread to many more bunnies, at least we believe the majority could recover.
I just want the bunnies to have the best life we can give them, and it is about day to day quality of life.
Thank you for supporting us through this nightmare, and for allowing me to pose the question as what we should do, as I know the topic is not an easy one to have to consider.
I think it is important that our situation is known to others though, as it may help give ideas if anyone else ever finds themselves in this scenario.
With the changing climate and emergence of new Myxo strains, it is sadly likely that others will experience problems too.
Love Adele XX
PS One of the things that made my mind up for me this evening, was Larkspur bunny:shock: Larkspur has the darn Myxo , and quite a bad case too:( ....but she sat on me and enjoyed being groomed:D Larkspur licked me for first time ever in three years:shock: :shock::D :D I think she knew I was upset and she was there for me at my lowest ebb, now I must be there for her in her darkest days too.

Jack's-Jane
17-08-2007, 09:29 PM
I know you will do everything possible to help get the affected Buns through this and to minimise the risk to the other Buns.
You will know which Bun can keep fighting and which one may need to pass to The Bridge :cry:
EveryBun is an individual and only the person closest to them, ie you, can know what is best to do.
I just cant wait for the biting frosts of winter so as all the :censored: mozzis are wiped out.

Stay strong Adele, you will get through this although I am sure you must doubt that at times

Janex

smokiemistyozzy
17-08-2007, 09:30 PM
when do nodules start to fall off?

Happy Hopping
17-08-2007, 09:40 PM
I vote Other. I would go for Isolate and treat individual rabbits, but no euthanaise unless the bunny is in pain and there is no useful treatment and no improvement.

And I'm glad we have a sticky on this to warn this new strain of myxi

loobie_lou
17-08-2007, 09:54 PM
I'm really sorry to hear this Adele, and my thoughts are with you and all your bunnies.

I voted for the first option, but I totally agree with Jane's point about non vaccinated rabbits being PTS :cry: It's completely heartbreaking but I don't think I could see one of my own suffer from the disease.

What an awful situation to be in, I hope you make the right decisions... I am sure you will, just consider how well you can cope with the situation, the vets advice and the other buns who aren't showing any signs at the moment.

My thoughts are with you, xx

Adele
18-08-2007, 11:24 AM
when do nodules start to fall off?

The nodules begin to fall off from 7-14 days:)

Thanks again for your thinking of us and the bunnies:)

SATURDAY AM
no new cases since Thursday.
Larkspur our main worry is holding her own, and seems to be coping really well thus far:) Larkspur has very swollen glands around her bottom, and lots of small lumps on her face, but none on her eyes.
La-La (Her nickname) is taking fluids well, and I am getting more hopeful she can fight this, though the Virus wont peak in her for a few more days.
BOADICEA GIANT is doing BRILLIANTLY, I am really thrilled as this is the first day she has not had bloodied urine!!. Beau seems to be bouncing with vitality and is keen for her food(and now drinking plenty by herself).
ARTHUR, COCO and MERLIN are recovering, and bits of nodules are just startinig to fall off....the boys now have the bloodied urine, so am flushing them through with fluids every 2-3 hours, as this seems to speed up kidney healing.
The boys are all feeling much better as they busted out of the shed this morning, and were zooming around the garden doing mad binkies:shock: :shock: David and I could not catch them:shock: :lol: :lol:
None of the other rabbits are out in the garden or runs at the moment, so the boys enjoyed burning up some energies.
WILBUR fluffy lionhead has stopped spotting blood, this was a big concern...I have been flushing Wilbur through with fluids every few hours, and will continue to do so for at least another week yet.
Some of his urine is blood stained, but this is a huge improvement from the pools of blood that have been appearing over past 5 days.
I have a feeling Freya Angora and Witchazel Cashmere Lop are fighting the Virus, though no external nodules have appeared. Both girls started with the blooded urine, and were a bit off...so both are on antibiotics and having fluids.
This could be our 1oth and 11th case, but perhaps their immune systems are stopping the Virus from progressing further.
POPPY wild bunny is fully recovered, and did not need any intervention as she was drinking and eating well.
David and I were going to go out to a concert tonight for our 9th Wedding Anniversary, but we cannot leave the bunnies whilst they need fluids so regularly. We just would not relax and enjoy the concert anyway, so have opted to have a Chinese meal and watch DVD at home instead.
The bunnies need our every attention right now, but things will hopefully get easier over next few weeks.
I am not taking boarding bunnies in during September, firstly as we dont want any other bunnies to be put at risk (though we have never had a house bunny case), and as I need to spend every spare minute caring for the Sanctuary rabbits.

I will give yous an update tomorrow.
Love, Adele, David and all the lumpy , bumpy(and non lumpy bumpy) rabbits
XX

elve
18-08-2007, 11:35 AM
Oh that does sound positive for most of them - great idea with the fluid therapy :D

Hope you enjoy your anniversary meal and DVD :p

chloaster
18-08-2007, 11:51 AM
Having 14 rabbits that all live together this is something I had to concider carefully - what would I do if one of them contracted myxi? I think I would have to agree that I would go down the individual case route and take each situation as it came along. I couldn't pts one of my rabbits that had the possibility of pulling through but at the same time I couldn't put them through the horrors of chronic myxi. I lost my first bunny to myxi when I was little and it's a truely horrible disease to see a rabbit suffer from. The article below explains how myxi is spread and I would quarantine the affected rabbit(s) and try and prevent the infection spreading as much as humanly possible by implementing additional protective screening etc. and treat the symptoms as far as possible.

"Blood-sucking insects, including mosquitoes, fleas, lice, ticks, and mites, are the main method of spread. Direct transmission is possible, usually by the aerosol route. Those rabbits infected via this route usually develop nasal & eye discharges as part of the disease process. Transmission is also possible via infected hutches or enclosures. An owner may spread the virus from one rabbit to another. Similarly, animals that are congregated at rabbit shows or fairs may become infected if one of the rabbits has the disease and is shedding the virus." (http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=18&cat=1803&articleid=3422)

One question - what do the South American rabbits have that the European ones don't? :?

"Myxomatosis is caused by a virus first seen in laboratory rabbits in Montevideo, Uruguay, in 1896. It was tolerated by South American strains of rabbit, but was almost invariably lethal to their European cousins."

Jack's-Jane
18-08-2007, 01:12 PM
One question - what do the South American rabbits have that the European ones don't? :?

"Myxomatosis is caused by a virus first seen in laboratory rabbits in Montevideo, Uruguay, in 1896. It was tolerated by South American strains of rabbit, but was almost invariably lethal to their European cousins."

A rogue gene that protects them :?

Adele it sounds as though the Bunnies are doing well thanks to your devoted nursing care.
Can I ask a question about the 'blood in wee' please. Is the Kidney damage due to secondary bacterial infection or is it that Myxo nodules affect internal tissue too?

Janex

Sooz
18-08-2007, 01:23 PM
Glad to hear everyone is doing Ok Adele.

Will keep on sending healing vibes to you all. X

Adele
18-08-2007, 01:30 PM
A rogue gene that protects them :?

Adele it sounds as though the Bunnies are doing well thanks to your devoted nursing care.
Can I ask a question about the 'blood in wee' please. Is the Kidney damage due to secondary bacterial infection or is it that Myxo nodules affect internal tissue too?

Janex


Aaawwww thanks Jane:oops: :D :D
I believe it is the Myxo nodules affecting internal tissue and causing severe inflammation (and some bunnies had the same in their intestines and bowel....Boadicea started with blood in her droppings).
All the bunnies had strong antibiotics the minute I spotted the first signs, which is to protect them from secondary infection(and none have had chest problems or nasal discharge proper).
The vet has advised me to keep up with the antibiotics for several weeks post nodules falling off, to ensure bunnies are protected when they are low.
I gave Ceporex by injection from onset at acute time of infection, but switched to Baytril when nodules started drying up or falling off.

Jack's-Jane
18-08-2007, 02:38 PM
Aaawwww thanks Jane:oops: :D :D
I believe it is the Myxo nodules affecting internal tissue and causing severe inflammation (and some bunnies had the same in their intestines and bowel....Boadicea started with blood in her droppings).
All the bunnies had strong antibiotics the minute I spotted the first signs, which is to protect them from secondary infection(and none have had chest problems or nasal discharge proper).
The vet has advised me to keep up with the antibiotics for several weeks post nodules falling off, to ensure bunnies are protected when they are low.
I gave Ceporex by injection from onset at acute time of infection, but switched to Baytril when nodules started drying up or falling off.

Thanks Adele. I hope I never need to use the info' but should the unthinkable happen I will come to you for advice. Maybe one 'good' thing to come out of this nightmare is the insight you will have gained about Myxo and you may be able to help others should they find themself having Buns affected by the evil virus.

Janex

carasblanco
18-08-2007, 09:40 PM
It is very encouraging Adele that so many of your buns are either getting better, or staying well, but am so terribly sorry about your losses and the drain this all must be on you. I hope that every day brings more and more good news.


One question - what do the South American rabbits have that the European ones don't?
To Add:
In South America (N. and Central also) the wild rabbit is the cottontail, which have a different genus than the wild European rabbit. The virus does kill the domestic rabbits in the Americas which are the same as the European rabbit. But I see your point Chloe, even tho distantly related, why can't a better vaccine be made by studying the cottontail's resistance?

Adele
23-08-2007, 09:02 AM
Hello, I just wanted to give yous an update as to what is happening at the Sanctuary, as it has been a few days since I gave the last report.

Many of the first Flush of bunnies who had Myxo are almost back to normal:D
They now have just a few sores areas where the nodules were, so I am using diluted tea tree oil to speed up the healing process, and keeping bunnies on antibiotics for another week yet.
Saturday was a landmark day , as it was the first time in over three weeks that Arthur, Coco, Merlin, and Boadicea the Giant could be outside in the avairies:D :D The bunnies were so excited to see the great outdoors again, it was wonderful to see them binkying without a care in the world:D
The bunnies unaffected by Myxo are still indoors and in isolation .

LARKSPUR our pretty little Cashmere Lop with lung damage, is doing AMAZINGLY well:D :D :D I was so sure La La would have to be put to sleep but she has proved me and the vet wrong, and is bouncing around !!:shock:
Poor poppets face is absolutely covered in nasty nodules, she has more than the other rabbits put together:? La La has swollen genitals, which the other bunnies did not have, so it as hard for her to pass urine.
A few days of expressing urine manually helped La La on her way, and she is now past the peak of the Virus:D
We had a 7 day break of any further cases, but then yesterday we discovered TAMSIN New Zealand White has Myxo:evil: :evil: :? :?
All the bunnies in what was BOBBYs playhouse have now been affected except for Mauna Angora and Millie Lionhead:? :?
Whatever we do, from de fleaing all the bunnies individually and their playhouses, has not stopped the spread of the disease, though it has slowed its progress down .
Tamsin only seems to have a mild case at the moment, so fingers crossed she will be fine.
I am up to my eyeballs in giving meds and fluids to all the bunnies each morning still, so please forgive me for not being in the forum much.
David and I have been completely overwhelmed by all your messages here in the forum and by PM too, bless you for keeping us going.

Love Adele

Bavarian Bunny
23-08-2007, 09:04 AM
Thanks for the update, Adele. Keep up the good work. Lots of getting well vibes for the bunnies. :D

Azraelm
23-08-2007, 09:37 AM
It must be so stressful and upsetting, wishing you and bunns all the best xx

cannonwoman
23-08-2007, 10:32 AM
I`m so pleased to hear many of the bunnies are so much better, but so sorry to hear tamsin now has it:cry:

Sending continuous healing vibes for the bunnies & stay strong vibes for you & david.......................

Thinking of you
Su.x

Michele
23-08-2007, 10:37 AM
Lots of prayers for you all. Especially Tamsin.


Evil myxo:evil:

oscarbunny
23-08-2007, 10:48 AM
You are brilliant Adele, well done to both you and David. Sending huge vibes for all of the buns. xx

Leanne
23-08-2007, 11:28 AM
Well done to you and David!!! You are doing a fantastic job for your buns!

Im sending lots of healing and protection vibes ~*~*~