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Can rabbits get ME?

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beckiboo186

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I recieved a PM today, Saying that the symptoms Tills showing sound like those of M.E (Thank You :wink:) Can bunsters get it do you know? :? Just that I researched the symptoms ...

Muscle symptoms include exercise intolerance and post-exertional malaise (i.e. feeling shattered the day after undue physical activity), pain/myalgia (present in around 75% of people) and fasciculations (visible twitching of the muscles which sometimes includes blepharospasm/eyelid twitching).
Till always needs lots of time to recover after a short play session

Brain and Central Nervous System symptoms include cognitive dysfunction (problems with short-term memory, concentration and maintaining attention), clumsiness, disequilibrium likened to 'walking on rubber', and word finding abilities. Problems with control of the autonomic nervous system results in palpitations, sweating episodes and symptoms associated with low blood pressure/postural hypotension (e.g. fainting).
As you know, she's often 'out of it' and clumsy too

Symptoms which suggest on-going abnormalities in immune system function include sore throats, enlarged glands, joint pains, headaches, problems with temperature control and intermittent flu-like feelings.
Not unusual for her to drag her back legs, but not really anythinng else linked to this

Some people also develop emotional lability or mood swings and features of clinical depression as time goes on.
One thing that has been apparent throughout her illness is how depressed she has been, and we've also noticed significant mood swings

ME/CFS symptoms tend to fluctuate in severity throughout the course of a day and people often report that they have both 'good days' and 'bad days', although the term 'good' is often used in a relative sense.
Couldn't be more perfectly described in Tillys case

Could be barking up the wrong tree completely, but How odd is that?!! :?

Thanks, Becki Xx
 
OMG look

''One group of animals with the MS-like disease called autoimmune encephalomyelitis (EAE) received BBIC, while another group of animals with the same disease received an inert substance.''

maybe its autoimmune encephalomyelitis (EAE)

look it up
 
Jemma&Theo said:
oh- looks like scientists invented that disease
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Does that mean they can only get it if its "given" them on purpose? :? Just researched it and sounds pretty accurate :? Gem, Not spoken to Zoey yet, Only just got the email tonight, and want to get as much info as poss before hand. Plus, she isnt in today :wink: This is reeeally freaking me out though, It seems so fitting :? X
 
MS or multiple sclerosis is a muscle wasting degenerative disease i think. it can be heriditary... am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong. Isn't ME when people get worn out really easily, but they can improve? whereas MS is degenerative so gets worse over time? :?
 
buttons&thumper said:
MS or multiple sclerosis is a muscle wasting degenerative disease i think. it can be heriditary... am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong. Isn't ME when people get worn out really easily, but they can improve? whereas MS is degenerative so gets worse over time? :?
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Sorry forgot to update, Have had each of these explained to me and I'm totally lost. Tills has had an awful night, so I cant stay to explain all I want to say .... I'll talk to Zoey & Update Xx
 
Sorry, don't know the origins of this problem, but sorry if Tilly is unwell. Sounds like you're having a rough time.

Just wanted to add that MS and ME/CFS are different diseases. I've had ME for 17 years and although I've never actually heard of it in animals, I don't suppose there's any clinical reason why they couldn't suffer the same types of symptoms.

Sending best wishes to Tilly :)
 
My daughter whos now 22 had a weirs virus at age 6..meningitis was first thought but it didnt get that far to need testing.she suffered for years struggling through school and college and got her grades to become aveterinary nurse but said she couldnt she was to exhaussted..she went to college and eneded up dropping out twice before being finaly diagnosed in 2001 with M.E/CFS and now has fibro too..M.S is similar in some symptoms but the effects are irreversable whereas if an M.E sufferer improves its an mprovement full stop but odoes nt mean they will ever beat the disease..

the school of thought is that M.E is the non paralytic form of the polio virus..least thats one theory!
weird immune swystem problems occur in humans every day and cats and dogs..cant see why not rabbits..
becki did tey evr rule out a stroke with her in the earkly days..because the damage from that would e xplain her condition now easily..maybe its a gentic disorder..something sarked off and maybe its a detached retina or optic nerve damage thats caused the blindness..woozle was suspected of maybe having a parasite travel to his brain but not ec..as another vet said it sounded more like a stroke..neurological diseases in rabbits..thats a dark area i guess for now..
hope a chat with the vet settles things a bi more..or maybe she can refer you for a consult with an exotics specialist?
 
I believe anything is possible, Becki. :D

My dad has ME. We believe that the docs have no known explanation to how he comes about. But we believe its in all of us, but something makes it "come out" of us. My dad was in a car accident years ago (his van broke down. He managed to get it on to he hard shoulder. A lorry driver fell asleep at the wheel and went into the back of my dads van). And shortly after was diagnosed with ME. Although dads joke is that it was the shock of me being born 22 years ago!! :lol:

Dads symptoms were cronic fatigue, mood swings, and the impossible task of finding energy to get out of bed in the mornings.
 
MS and ME are not similar, my uncle has MS and is desperatly ill, it's a physical illness that attacks the legs, You may see people who walk like they're very drunk, legs going everywhere, they have MS and end up in a wheel chair and early death.

ME is just another depressed type illness (so I belive)
 
Here is some stuff on MS

Definition

Multiple sclerosis is an autoimmune disease that affects the central nervous system (the brain and spinal cord).

Causes, incidence, and risk factors

Multiple sclerosis (MS) usually affects woman more than men. The disorder most commonly begins between ages 20 and 40, but can strike at any age.

The exact cause is not known, but MS is believed to result from damage to the myelin sheath, the protective material which surrounds nerve cells. It is a progressive disease, meaning the damage gets worse over time. Inflammation destroys the myelin, leaving multiple areas of scar tissue (sclerosis). The inflammation occurs when the body's own immune cells attack the nervous system.

The inflammation causes nerve impulses to slow down or become blocked, leading to the symptoms of MS. Repeated episodes, or flare ups, of inflammation can occur along any area of the brain and spinal cord.

Symptoms vary because the location and extent of each attack varies. Usually episodes that last days, weeks, or months alternate with times of reduced or no symptoms (remission).

Recurrence (relapse) is common although non-stop progression without periods of remission may also occur.

Researchers are not sure what triggers an attack. Patients with MS typically have a higher number of immune cells than a healthy person, which suggests that an immune response might play a role. The most common theories point to a virus or genetic defect, or a combination of both. There also appears to be a genetic link to the disease. MS is more likely to occur in northern Europe, the northern United States, southern Australia, and New Zealand than in other areas. Geographic studies indicate there may be an environmental factor involved.

People with a family history of MS and those who live in a geographical area with a higher incidence rate for MS have a higher risk of the disease.
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SOAD said:
ME is just another depressed type illness (so I belive)
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Oh dear. I am really sorry to hijack this thread but as a long-term sufferer of ME/CFS I really cannot let this pass without comment.

A quote from the ME Association website describing the symptoms of ME -

"Severe and debilitating fatigue, painful muscles and joints, disordered sleep, gastric disturbances, poor memory and concentration are commonplace. In many cases, onset is linked to a viral infection. Other triggers may include an operation or an accident, although some people experience a slow, insidious onset."

It is an illness which can ruin lives and ME/CFS sufferers do get fed up being pigeonholed as 'just' having depression (which can be a serious illness in itself).

I won't say any more here as it's not fair on the thread. Sorry again for going off-topic.
 
I know Paul would rather have ME then MS, he spends half his life on a drip in teh hospital :cry: :cry: . I didn't mean to offenend ME suffers, it's just MS is a phsycal illness not a pshcoclogical (sp?) one
 
SOAD said:
I know Paul would rather have ME then MS, he spends half his life on a drip in teh hospital :cry: :cry: . I didn't mean to offenend ME suffers, it's just MS is a phsycal illness not a pshcoclogical (sp?) one
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ME/CFS is NOT a pyschological illness. I could quote reams of scientific findings but I won't here - suffice to say that the World Health Organisation has classified ME as a neurological illness. It's a serious, disabling and chronic organic (ie physical not mental) disorder.

Please understand that I am not for one minute denigrating the awful condition of MS - it is a horrible illness.

BUT I do actually find it offensive - and flippant - for you to say that someone else would rather have ME.

And I am actually sitting here pretty upset, having had my life devastated by this illness since I was 21 (I'm 39 now). It's a constant battle to get recognition and funding for this condition, unlike some others.

And I really don't mean to get the thread off-topic - I am just very upset and cannot let such inaccuracies go uncorrected.
 
OMG :roll: I was saying they were two different illnesses, and I did say ME is another depressed type illness (I Belive), meaning I didn't know what it was, so how was I being fliipent? I just knew they wern't the same thing.
Are ME and MS the same thing? NO! so how could I have offended you.
 
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