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fluffiebunnie
03-03-2007, 06:22 PM
Dont know what I am going to do :roll: So angry with the vets for separating them when Twinkle spayed :roll:

Pickle sits in the run all day and wont let Twinkle out there. She is also not allowed in his half of the hutch (I joined two hutches together) which was his old hutch. She is sat in the corner of her part of the hutch all day unless he wants to use the litter tray and then he charges at her so she runs upstairs.

I have found fur in the run so know he is doing more than charging at her. She wont even come into the run if I tease her with some of her favourite veg. She is terrified. :shock:

What do you all suggest? Should I take them both out of the hutch/run for a while (how long) so they forget all about it. There is only the bathroom for them to go and it is really unpractical. They are also both terrified in there for some reason.

I had them in the living room for three hours last night and there were no problems. NO fighting. mutual grooming, and cuddles.

Its so hard this bunny care :roll:

Azraelm
03-03-2007, 06:24 PM
I would say about 2 days out on neutral territory and a thorough clean of the hutch and then they will hopefully be ok together again.

ShivyRex
03-03-2007, 06:27 PM
Yup I agree with Mandy. Scrub the hutch and use white vinegar everywhere to remove both of their smells before you return them from the neutral territory.

Good luck!

bumble3130
03-03-2007, 06:30 PM
awww im sorry to hear things arent going well with pickle and twinkle. no advice im afraid but just wanted to say i hope it all works out for you and the love will return asap!

fluffiebunnie
03-03-2007, 06:40 PM
Thanks everyone - tis all my vets fault :roll: dont know whether it would be worth writing to them to put my complaint in black and white.

I did quickly sprinkle some vinegar last night in the run (could only get malt vinegar at corner shop tho). Didnt do any good but suppose I need to keep them away from the whole area for a bit longer so they forget it.

Oh what a pain in the backside this is all becoming - thought once they were bonded that would be that!!!

It's*all*about*the*bunny
03-03-2007, 06:42 PM
I had this happen to me once when i had to sperate some bunnies (can't rememeber what for it was a long time ago :oops: ) anyway, they didn't want to know each other so i put them both in the pet carrier and got my dad to drive me round our village. After about 10 - 15 mins of driving i took them home, and they were happily back together!

My theory was that if i stress them out, they will turn to eachother for comfort...it worked for me, so maybe give it a try?

fluffiebunnie
03-03-2007, 06:45 PM
I had this happen to me once when i had to sperate some bunnies (can't rememeber what for it was a long time ago :oops: ) anyway, they didn't want to know each other so i put them both in the pet carrier and got my dad to drive me round our village. After about 10 - 15 mins of driving i took them home, and they were happily back together!

My theory was that if i strees them out, they will turn to eachother forcomfort...it worked for me, so maybe give it a try?

Tried the carrier - took Pickle with Twinkle when she went back to the vets. Were in the carrier together for over an hour and both sat side by side very nicely. Also very nicely togther in living room. JUST WHEN THEY ARE IN THE HUTCH/RUN!!!

Will leave them for tonight - but will start tomorrow with bathroom for two days/nights and completely white vinegar the whole hutch/run area.

Ali
03-03-2007, 06:51 PM
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww I am so sorry, the vets should of let you take Pickle in as well, mine were fine with it :D when Benji was ill, and Bella stayed the night with him as well, with no extra charge, I think I would say something to the vets,


I hope you are able to sort things out, big hugs coming your way :love:

fluffiebunnie
03-03-2007, 06:55 PM
, I think I would say something to the vets,


Can you believe when I took them both in for Twinkle's check up the vet said "any problems"??

I said well not re: health - she is eating/pooing - all the usual etc, but I said I had major issues with their policy of keeping buns separated as it has caused nothing but trouble.

He said it was for the benefit of Twinkle as she has had major op and didnt need being stressed with Pickle there at the vets.

I said she has had nothing BUT stress since the op as he is now attacking her - how can she recover from a major op with being hounded into the corner of the hutch every minutes of the day/night?

He just looked at me blankly so I walked out (with the buns).

Will compose a letter methinks.

Ali
03-03-2007, 07:04 PM
OMG!!!!!! It helps the bunny who is having the op to have the partner with her, I deffo think Bella helped Benji by being with him while he was so sick!!!!


Has Twinkle recovered yet? how are her stitches? I think if it were me in your terrible situation, I would wait untill, she was totally recovered, totally clean all areas where they are together, and then rebond them :wink:


Just my opinion though :D

fluffiebunnie
03-03-2007, 07:07 PM
OMG!!!!!! It helps the bunny who is having the op to have the partner with her, I deffo think Bella helped Benji by being with him while he was so sick!!!!


Has Twinkle recovered yet? how are her stitches? I think if it were me in your terrible situation, I would wait untill, she was totally recovered, totally clean all areas where they are together, and then rebond them :wink:


Just my opinion though :D

Yes she has fully recovered!!! She can run like crazy away from Pickle!! Eating like mad as normal!!

The stitches are healing and the wound is clean and neat. Her fur has started to grow back. At least the vets did that part of the job right!!

Morrigan1981
03-03-2007, 07:23 PM
My vet wouldn't let Jenny stay with Harley when he was admitted as an emergency. I could sort of understand her reasoning - she needed to see how much he was drinking etc - but equally I thought it would be more stressful for him not to have his partner with him. I wish I had said more at the time - I was so upset I just took her word for it, but with hindsight I wished I had pushed for them to be together.

I'm seriously considering trying a different vet that's about the same distance from me. This new vet is on the RWA list, although I'm going to ring them and get their policy on bonded pairs staying together first! It's a shame, because generally I have no complains about my vet :(

fluffiebunnie
03-03-2007, 07:26 PM
My vet wouldn't let Jenny stay with Harley when he was admitted as an emergency. I could sort of understand her reasoning - she needed to see how much he was drinking etc - but equally I thought it would be more stressful for him not to have his partner with him. I wish I had said more at the time - I was so upset I just took her word for it, but with hindsight I wished I had pushed for them to be together.

I'm seriously considering trying a different vet that's about the same distance from me. This new vet is on the RWA list, although I'm going to ring them and get their policy on bonded pairs staying together first! It's a shame, because generally I have no complains about my vet :(

Same here - in all other respects they are great.

They good with my cats and no problems with the ops for both Pickle and Twinkle.

Just their policy on bonded rabbits.

Morrigan1981
03-03-2007, 07:30 PM
Absolutely the same with me - my cat goes to the same vet and they are great with her. Jenny's had two GAs at the surgery and came sailing through both and recovered very fast. I don't really want to change over, but if there are any problems with either Jenny or Frankie (if they pair up) then I want them to be able to stay together.

If I do switch vets, I'll just I'll keep Libby (cat) registered where she is.

capel
03-03-2007, 07:32 PM
Malt vinegar is ok, though it is more expensive :) Pour it into a sprayer and thoroughly spray it into every nook and cranny, mesh, everything. leave it to dry and then the next day do it again then scrub and rinse. Finish it all off with a pleasant smelling deodourising pet disinfectant. If they are fine in the house during the day then just confine them to the batheroom when you have to go out and overnight. Mine are both indoors at the moment but are shut in the bathroom overnight. It works fine, and you'll only have to do it for a couple of days. Fingers crossed!!

fluffiebunnie
03-03-2007, 07:33 PM
I might start making enquiries of other local vets if they wont change their policy.

How do I know if the new vets are good with rabbits?

Fionabun
03-03-2007, 07:35 PM
My vet will not allow my bunnies to stay together but if you look at my signature you'll see why.......... almost identical!!! Even still, I feel a bit miffed by it.

Fiona x

fluffiebunnie
03-03-2007, 07:43 PM
My vet will not allow my bunnies to stay together but if you look at my signature you'll see why.......... almost identical!!! Even still, I feel a bit miffed by it.

Fiona x

Can understand that might cause confusion :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: but they could mark them to know who is who!!

Morrigan1981
03-03-2007, 07:51 PM
My vet will not allow my bunnies to stay together but if you look at my signature you'll see why.......... almost identical!!! Even still, I feel a bit miffed by it.

Fiona x

Just out of interest (sorry for taking this off topic briefly!) How can you tell them apart? :lol:

fluffiebunnie
03-03-2007, 07:54 PM
My vet will not allow my bunnies to stay together but if you look at my signature you'll see why.......... almost identical!!! Even still, I feel a bit miffed by it.

Fiona x

Just out of interest (sorry for taking this off topic briefly!) How can you tell them apart? :lol:

Good question :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

fluffiebunnie
03-03-2007, 08:24 PM
Malt vinegar is ok, though it is more expensive :) Pour it into a sprayer and thoroughly spray it into every nook and cranny, mesh, everything. leave it to dry and then the next day do it again then scrub and rinse. Finish it all off with a pleasant smelling deodourising pet disinfectant. If they are fine in the house during the day then just confine them to the batheroom when you have to go out and overnight. Mine are both indoors at the moment but are shut in the bathroom overnight. It works fine, and you'll only have to do it for a couple of days. Fingers crossed!!

Just seen your post! I would have to keep them in the bathroom (which does cause problems in the morning rush :roll: ) as I have two cats. Cant think of anywhere else to put them :roll:

Fionabun
03-03-2007, 09:50 PM
My vet will not allow my bunnies to stay together but if you look at my signature you'll see why.......... almost identical!!! Even still, I feel a bit miffed by it.

Fiona x

Just out of interest (sorry for taking this off topic briefly!) How can you tell them apart? :lol:

Oh its EASY! Their markings are all subtley different! Here goes......(you did ask :lol: ) Nell's back left paw is more black than white and she has a typical doe's slim face. Sumi has an equal black/white back left paw but he has a splodge of black on the right side of his neck and a chubbier, fluffier face. Marcy is ickle compared to them and has a tiny head, otherwise looks just like Sumi. Clover's stripe between the black and white is squint! Bless her. But to be honest I can tell instantaneously when I see them out just by their faces and antics. Only us bunny lovers would understand! :oops: :lol: :lol:

Whenever they get marked they are terrible for cleaning it off each other. When I did the bonding, I marked them all (for high speed identification :lol: ) and literally 5 minutes later it was ALL off :lol: :lol: :lol: Little monsters

Fiona x

fluffiebunnie
04-03-2007, 09:00 AM
No fighting overnight, but each in their own part of the hutch when I went out this morning.

Was watching closely at what is happening and it is not completely agressive but if Twinkle dares enter the run or his section of the hutch then he charges full pelt at her and forces her back into her part of the hutch!!!

Well today is the day that I bring them in for a few days re-bonding. Cant have this bad behaviour!!! Just got to do the weekly shop then I will set up the bathroom for the bunnies for a few days. Will get lots of white vinegar and spray and clean out the hutch/run.

Hopefully that will work. Do get stressed tho with the bunnies in the house as it makes it really hard work when people want baths/showers. Oh well wish me luck everyone :D

kayjay
04-03-2007, 09:55 AM
I ordered a dog crate from ebay which was next day delivery, so if you ordered today you'd have it by Tuesday - just an idea as it's not that practical to keep them in the bathroom 24/7 with kids is it :?

I would cling on to the hope that they can be rebonded, I'm no expert having never bonded buns (left that to the rescue) but I would say start again as if they'd never met.

Good luck, I hope it goes ok

fluffiebunnie
04-03-2007, 12:09 PM
All ok at the moment - they are in my living room snuggling together in a corner. They are fine outside the hutch/run. But they were like this before when I bonded them - ok indoors but pickle territorial outside.

Have completely emptied the hutch and swept the run. Have sprayed pet disinfectant into the hutches and left to dry. Once dry will spray with vinegar x 2 and dry and then pet disinfectant again to dry.

Couple of days hopefully will sort it.

Any ideas how I can spray the run - can spray the concrete but the rain just washes it all away :roll:

chloaster
05-03-2007, 09:29 AM
My vet will not allow my bunnies to stay together but if you look at my signature you'll see why.......... almost identical!!! Even still, I feel a bit miffed by it.

Fiona x

When I took my Beatles in for their neuters the vets were great - they had four identical buns so they put paper collars round their necks and kept them all together :D

I did actually request that they kept them together tho, did you ask them not to seperate your two? I think finding a good rabbit vet is not easy, if you can resolve this with yours I would recommend you stick with them.

fluffiebunnie
05-03-2007, 12:52 PM
My vet will not allow my bunnies to stay together but if you look at my signature you'll see why.......... almost identical!!! Even still, I feel a bit miffed by it.

Fiona x

When I took my Beatles in for their neuters the vets were great - they had four identical buns so they put paper collars round their necks and kept them all together :D

I did actually request that they kept them together tho, did you ask them not to seperate your two? I think finding a good rabbit vet is not easy, if you can resolve this with yours I would recommend you stick with them.

Yes, I actually took Pickle with Twinkle as I just assumed they would stay together but the vet told me to take him home :(

Just sent a letter to the vets to say how disappointed I was as I now have a serious problem with the rabbits.

Thanks to Hilda for helping me compose a letter :D