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sola
05-05-2006, 09:38 AM
:shock: I work at P@H huntingdon.

Three white, large eared bunnies. I'm not sure what they are, we've never had giant bunnies come in before and I'm really annoyed.
We've also got three medium sized bunnies (an english, a chinchilla (I think) and a brown one simular to the chin) and they're big for what we usually get (dwarf lops and dutch)

I've been looking online to see what they are (they must be around 2 -2 1/2 pounds in weight by now. ) with large ears.
I thought they were flemish giants, but hopefully they won't get that big :shock: so they look british giants looking, but I can't find any decent pics of them.
I think I'll sneak my digi cam in today and take some photos.

I'm hoping my manager will get annoyed coz they're not 'cute and small ' :evil: and we can change suppliers.

Uh, just needed to get this off my chest and find out more about these buns, so I will put up some photos tonight or tomorrow.

Beany
05-05-2006, 09:59 AM
Hi Sola :)

Does anyone know what they are, or are you the only one that's interested? :?

inka dinka doo
05-05-2006, 10:05 AM
my bunny i got off my friend she bought her from p@h and she has huge ears and they didnt knwo the breed apparently! :shock:

Jack's-Jane
05-05-2006, 10:14 AM
I have a HUGE Magpie Bunny that origionated from PAH.
The person that bought her was told the bunny was a Dutch X Breed :roll: :roll:

Janex

inka dinka doo
05-05-2006, 10:17 AM
i have realised that my mopsy is gonna be a big girl at ten weeks she looks like this http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c11/tanya-jane/35b50c10.jpg and all my others where tiny at her age :shock: looks like james is gonna be building her a bunny mansion!!!!!!

**Bonnie**
05-05-2006, 10:21 AM
She's so cute - she must be SOOOO happy now!!

Angie65
05-05-2006, 10:24 AM
I have a 5kg New Zealand white that originated from P@H

racheyrabbit
05-05-2006, 10:45 AM
I think my foster bunny, Coffee, was originally from P@H. She was sold as a dwarf lop, but when i compare her to Kahlo (who is definitely a dwarf lop because she has a breeder's ring) its obvious that she is much bigger! She weighs in at about 3.5kg.

When I phoned the vet to book her vaccination they asked what breed, and I just said dwarf lop because that was what my friend had told me - when I took her in the vet just gawped and swiftly changed her notes from 'Dwarf Lop' to Dwarf Lop, less of the dwarf'!!! :lol: :lol:

sgprescue
05-05-2006, 12:14 PM
They have 3 newzealand white babies in my local pets at home. Hate to think what sort of hutch they will end up in :roll:

lynda_m
05-05-2006, 12:46 PM
Oh no :(

Sola, can you email KateCo and let her know please, we were due to meet with P@H today but they cancelled on us!

I would like to broach this subject with them as I suspect they will ALL go to people who want a cute little bunny rabbit and spend their lives in tiny cramped cages!!! Or go to rescues!

raven_guest
05-05-2006, 12:57 PM
P@H always told me they don't do bigger breeds than Dwarf lops! How rediculous! That makes me cross as they'll have no idea what they are and what sixze they will get to!

bunnylove
05-05-2006, 01:23 PM
:shock: I work at P@H huntingdon.

Three white, large eared bunnies. I'm not sure what they are, we've never had giant bunnies come in before and I'm really annoyed.
We've also got three medium sized bunnies (an english, a chinchilla (I think) and a brown one simular to the chin) and they're big for what we usually get (dwarf lops and dutch)

I've been looking online to see what they are (they must be around 2 -2 1/2 pounds in weight by now. ) with large ears.
I thought they were flemish giants, but hopefully they won't get that big :shock: so they look british giants looking, but I can't find any decent pics of them.
I think I'll sneak my digi cam in today and take some photos.

I'm hoping my manager will get annoyed coz they're not 'cute and small ' :evil: and we can change suppliers.

Uh, just needed to get this off my chest and find out more about these buns, so I will put up some photos tonight or tomorrow.






thats discusting, its shouldnt be allowed

anyway for reference a flemish giant is in fact smaller that the british giant!

:D

loopylop
05-05-2006, 02:08 PM
They have 3 newzealand white babies in my local pets at home. Hate to think what sort of hutch they will end up in :roll:

:cry: :cry: :cry:

racheyrabbit
05-05-2006, 02:12 PM
P@H always told me they don't do bigger breeds than Dwarf lops! How rediculous! That makes me cross as they'll have no idea what they are and what sixze they will get to!

Yeah.... and their definition of a dwarf lop is dodgy!

raven_guest
05-05-2006, 02:50 PM
^ Very true. If it's a lop and not a giant, it may be a dwarf, but what are it's parents? They don't know! How old is it? They don't know! How big when fully grown? They don't know, but as long as you buy one of their crappy little hutches, they don't care!
I saw a petshop selling hutches and offering a free rabbit or two guineas with every hutch! That's being responsible (not). It wasn't p@h for a change though.

Mark and Shell
05-05-2006, 03:32 PM
We were in the huntingdon store today and they have some very sweet dutch rabbits and a couple of lops but didn't see anything that looked overly large, we were infact very impressed that they had frozen water bottles in with them as it was hot, fresh hay and veggies too :D :D
Have the rabbits been sold :? :? :?

sola
05-05-2006, 07:02 PM
We were in the huntingdon store today and they have some very sweet dutch rabbits and a couple of lops but didn't see anything that looked overly large, we were infact very impressed that they had frozen water bottles in with them as it was hot, fresh hay and veggies too :D :D
Have the rabbits been sold :? :? :?

No they were out the back, won't be put out until our cute dutch and lops have been sold. (you may have seen me, I was the one with short hair :D )

We have a very good (now assistant manger) who was a vet nurse in america and our new pet manager...uh, person...has popped round a couple of times to make sure all the animals are fine (there's one for east, west, south and north, but I can't remember their title.)

You're 99% right Raven_guest (at least with the suppliers we use, apparntly peterbrough's suppiler is loads better and they actually know what breeds and how old they are and usually keep to netherland buns.)

Also we order the rabbits in and it's up to the 'breeders' with what rabbits we get, we usually get dwarf lop crosses and dutch and the very odd english, nethie or lionhead and anything inbetween and once an almost fully grown himalyain! (I had to research if she would get bigger, but I was confident she was a himi.)

I always say to people that dwarf lops are goning to get big and always make them (lol) buy the biggest hutch they can afford.

My collegue who delt with the animal deliver commented that those rabbits look big and he replied that they were a different breed, she asked what breed and he didn't know. :roll:
:evil:

Spgreascue, I have a horrible feeling these are newzealand whites too.

Beany: I'm the only one interested, but the assistant manager did agree they should be sold as house rabbits or to go in the Thistle hall hutch.
Which we won't be getting until June!!! :evil: That was the one hutch I sold to anybody who would buy it, the next double hutch down is too small for a dwarf lop imo, but might be better than the parsley and heather.
As long as they don't buy the cheapest and smallest hutch we have (I still don't know why we sell those :evil: )

It's all guesswork with the rabbits we get in, if it's got floppy ears, it's a dwarf lop, uppy ears and it's probably a dutch cross as some people at work beleive. :? At least I know most of the colours we have in and breeds.

inka dinka doo: she's lovely, look at those ears!

Angie65: o.O' 5kg! That's almost bigger than my lhasa apso and she's a fat little thing.

racheyrabbit: my dwarf lop is staying a dwarf ;) she's 2 and a half pounds, but still bigger than my dutch.

I was right about my manager being annoyed, maybe we'll get a decent supplier next time (and decent is a term I use loosely.) Last year they kept sending us guinea pigs with ringworm :evil: :evil:
We kept sending them back :( but one day I turned round to our manager and had a rant and said we should change supliers or stop getting guiena pigs from them. He stopped the guinea pig deleivery, but after a couple of months he decided to try them again and had a chat (as they kept sending us the older ones rather than the cute babies, in his words) and we hadn't had a problem with them about it since.
Still think we should have completely changed suppliers. :evil: Anythings better than them.

Anyway, here's some piccys of one of them. She is a little longer than my dwarf lop and I'm guessing 10 weeks old? All three look the same.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/sola/Pets/DSCI0182.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/sola/Pets/DSCI0183.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/sola/Pets/DSCI0186.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/sola/Pets/DSCI0184.jpg

She so gorgous and looks sad and worried bless her :(

inka dinka doo
05-05-2006, 08:12 PM
they are big bunnys! i reckon my mopsy will get huge!!!

sola
08-05-2006, 05:37 PM
Anyone? The boy has been put out now.

bizzy_vicki
08-05-2006, 06:30 PM
wow they are big, defo look like new zealand whites to me.

Azraelm
08-05-2006, 06:50 PM
They do look like a giant breed- we have some at the uni animal unit who weighed 7kg when they were not fully grown so I dread to think what they weigh now! They are such lovely gentle giants.

What kind of care will you be advising people?
It doesn't seem right for a pet shop to be selling giants, particularily with the chance of an impulse buy and people not quite understanding exactly how big they grow.

Diddeen
08-05-2006, 06:53 PM
They have 3 newzealand white babies in my local pets at home. Hate to think what sort of hutch they will end up in :roll:
They didnt last long then.. i went in today to go to the vets and there were no rabbits at all.. just 2 guinea pigs :?

maxxev
09-05-2006, 02:06 AM
i think it very unlikly that pets at home would have a regular breeder who would supply flemish or british to a petshop. (especialy considering the price you could charge for a pure breed conti privatly!)
im guessing that these were bought in from a member of the publib (quiet possibaly one who didn't know what breed they are either.... :evil: )

do pets at home sell hutches large enough for giants!? :? ............just hope for hell the staff were bright enough to tell the customers that these rabbits were giants and idealy (due to lack of avalibilty in regards to suitable hutches) should be kept as house rabbits.

cute_fuzzies
09-05-2006, 11:07 AM
Yup, they look like New Zealand whites...I expect they would have been sent in by the suppliers. After Easter most of the rabbit suppliers are very low on bunnies (surprise surprise, stupid people thinking it's a great idea to buy bunnies for Easter :evil: )

So, to keep up with demand, if they can't produce cute bunnies, they source them from elsewhere. And the New Zealand white is always in plentiful supply. :(

sola
10-05-2006, 09:55 PM
i think it very unlikly that pets at home would have a regular breeder who would supply flemish or british to a petshop. (especialy considering the price you could charge for a pure breed conti privatly!)
im guessing that these were bought in from a member of the publib (quiet possibaly one who didn't know what breed they are either.... :evil: )

do pets at home sell hutches large enough for giants!? :? ............just hope for **** the staff were bright enough to tell the customers that these rabbits were giants and idealy (due to lack of avalibilty in regards to suitable hutches) should be kept as house rabbits.

Nope, they were from our supplier probably surplus from other breeders from easter.
My assistant manager has agreed that we should advise them to be house rabbits as the only hutch I'd be ok to sell with them with the Thistle hall only.

Inimical Me
11-05-2006, 02:24 AM
Oh my GOD they are enormous! I don't even think my Fidget is that big now and she's 9 months old :shock: judging by the size of the chair and hand comparison :shock: . How irresponsible of P@H. Someone is going to buy them without even being able to imagine how big they'll grow :shock: . Poor bunnies :(.

sola
13-05-2006, 05:31 AM
Ok, so now the boy that's been put out is now up for rehoming, anyone who's interested puts money into the charity box, PAH recieves nothing for rehoming him.
I asked about the other two girls, but they're not sure if they'll be put up for rehoming too (I think they will).

So if anyone is looking for a male or (2) female New Zeland White baby bun come down to Huntingdon Pets at Home, you will not be supporting the trade.
The assistant manager even put what breed they are on the ticket, so fingers crossed no mistakes as to how big they'll get.

KathyM
13-05-2006, 06:39 AM
If only I was nearer *lol*.

It's a shame that PAH don't lead the revolution into stopping the sale of live animals in petshops. Not one of their hutches is suitable for these rabbits :( The rabbits probably originate from mass breeders, much like their other animals - inbred and no health checks.

We went to our loca PAH the other day (Bradford) and I was disgusted by the lack of regard for the creatures in their shop - so much so I made a fuss as I left in front of other customers (God I love that my big gob can hurt PAH *lol*).

I know people don't see them as a priority, but every single tank in that shop had dead fish in. Their small animals are kept on wood shavings despite numerous letters from people more educated than them warning of the dangers of keeping animals on wood shavings.

I know this sounds odd, but its probably best if people here don't rush down to "rescue" these rabbits, all that does is tell the manager that it's easy to get shut of difficult to shift "stock". I would leave them there for now until a member of staff is forced to take them home, then step in and "rescue" if needed.

sola
13-05-2006, 10:09 AM
Trust me... None of the staff there are rabbit peeps and the few that have any inkling of rabbit care have no space (myself included) my mum would kill me if I bought home a giant rabbit! o.O''' Where would I keep it??
Also I've already rescued a rat that 'bites' and mum threatened to charge them rent if I got any more. :lol:

I'd rather see it homed to a rabbit savvy home than someone who thinks a giant bunny would be perfect for the kids.

Our manager, I beleive, will be having words with our supplier, he doesn't want to sell giant rabbits. Our pet-person-thingy that overlooks the correct care of the east PAH's, I think told him to put him up for rehoming. She's pretty good and knows quite a bit about animals.

cute_fuzzies
13-05-2006, 10:35 AM
Their small animals are kept on wood shavings despite numerous letters from people more educated than them warning of the dangers of keeping animals on wood shavings.


That's the point - they keep the animals on woodshavings because the Pet Care Trust advises it. It is not the fault of the pet shop. They are simply following guidelines from the supposed authority!

I think that PAH is actually one of the better pet shops in that they have started to actually ignore the PCT in some instances - the PCT say that rats are fine on woodshavings, rabbits should be kept alone and rabbits and guineas are fine together. I think it's commendable that PAH have actually changed their care guidelines against these sorts of things.

The Pet Care Trust are the organisation that runs the Pet Store Management courses and pet shop Animal Husbandry courses, so when staff have qualifications from the over-seeing Pet Care body which specifically state that woodhavings are fine, why on earth should they believe some random member of the public claiming that woodshavings are bad??

If you had studied for a qualification, and some random person who *hadn't* got that qualification started telling you it was wrong, I think you'd probably believe what you have specifically learnt rather than believing a customer. I mean, the PCT is supposed to be the authority. So of course pet shops are going to take their word over anybody elses.

I think I explained myself a little bit better on here:
http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/viewtopic.php?t=17601&start=90

Although I do believe that they actually have some pretty huge hutches in PAH - I went in there the other day and they had a couple of big double decker ones and great big 6ft one that looks like a coffin!!! :shock:

raven_guest
13-05-2006, 01:22 PM
Ooooh they're gunna be bigguns! But how gorgeous!

KathyM
13-05-2006, 03:02 PM
cute-fuzzies:

Thanks for your reply. However, it wasn't "some random member of the public" that sent letters and campaigned, it was several knowledgeable rat owners and breeders. PAH actually accepted their advice, but didn't implement it in all stores. It's been very hit and miss, obviously because PAH don't really have any regard for the animals as they see them as commodities (hence deliberately mis-sexing them to get more babies back, etc). They're just like any other petshop that sells animals - in it for the money with no care for the animals.

Gem
13-05-2006, 03:19 PM
P@H always told me they don't do bigger breeds than Dwarf lops! How rediculous! That makes me cross as they'll have no idea what they are and what size they will get to!

Yeah.... and their definition of a dwarf lop is dodgy!

Thing is Dwarf doesn't always mean small, I've got several large DL's

cute_fuzzies
13-05-2006, 03:35 PM
Thanks for your reply. However, it wasn't "some random member of the public" that sent letters and campaigned, it was several knowledgeable rat owners and breeders. PAH actually accepted their advice, but didn't implement it in all stores. It's been very hit and miss, obviously because PAH don't really have any regard for the animals as they see them as commodities (hence deliberately mis-sexing them to get more babies back, etc). They're just like any other petshop that sells animals - in it for the money with no care for the animals.

I wasn't saying that the people weren't knowledgeable - of course they must be, and I totally agree with the issues raised.

BUT in the eyes of the pet shop, how are they to know if these people are knowledgeable? I personally wouldn't see them as random member of the public - but somebody working in the pet shop probably would. Especially if they have an actual *qualification* that tells them something other than what the person is suggesting. So it's clearly in their best interests to follow the guidelines of the national Pet Care Authority...

The point i'm trying to make is that they have a whole national pet care organisation on one side saying one thing, then a relatively small number of people on the other side saying something else. So it's absolutely no surprise whatsoever that they have been listening to the Pet Care Trust all this time...why should they listen to the minority? Especially as the Pet Care Trust actually dishes out the pet shop management qualifications that actually teach staff all this advice.

BUT the other point I was trying to make is that they ARE actually listening to people and changing their policies...so why have a go at P@H (who are actually listening and changing their policies) when the Pet Care Trust are still giving out naff advice to ALL pet shops and giving out training materials to employees that defies all that we see as good husbandry?

sola
13-05-2006, 03:50 PM
cute-fuzzies:

(hence deliberately mis-sexing them to get more babies back, etc).

:shock: I can assure you that my store doesn't do that :shock:
And I hope none of the others do either!
We try to sex them as best we can (or at least I can speak for myself.)

KathyM
13-05-2006, 07:19 PM
We can hope as much as we like, but they do do it. Even when indirectly (eg. their untrained staff sexing them), they do do it. They regularly keep animals of opposite sex together.

cute_fuzzies - I see your point, but I'm not letting PAH off that easy. They have vets that work with them and they still can't get animal care right. The way I see it is they're worse than the smaller petshops that sell live animals. They're a big company, and they set a disgusting example to the rest of the industry and to new pet owners.

Gem
13-05-2006, 08:20 PM
We can hope as much as we like, but they do do it. Even when indirectly (eg. their untrained staff sexing them), they do do it. They regularly keep animals of opposite sex together.

cute_fuzzies - I see your point, but I'm not letting PAH off that easy. They have vets that work with them and they still can't get animal care right. The way I see it is they're worse than the smaller petshops that sell live animals. They're a big company, and they set a disgusting example to the rest of the industry and to new pet owners.

Kathy, you're very right, but we mustn't forget that there are some, and only a few, knowledgeable staff there, Sola and Pink Princess Linzi (Ex PAH employee) are just two that we know of, both of them being on here.

I do see your points and I do agree, being involved with a small east hampshire rescue that recently had to deal with 24 buns as a result of PAH :x

The thing is and I think this has been mentioned before, that although they have vets on site, in most stores the vets are nothing to do with the actual company......I also find it hard to understand why when they have a vet on site the animals aren't sexed correctly :x :evil:

Yes I'm guilty of getting a bun from them, but it was three years ago and for six months she was a he, even the on site vets couldn't tell me for definate what she was.

Now the only reason I go in there is to check on the animals, which I have to be very careful about as I got banned from my local store for causing a disturbance and loosing them three potential bunny/piggie customers :D

sola
16-05-2006, 04:54 PM
Well the boy has been rehomed, I think, and the two girls are up for sale and we have another white giant out back. *sighs*