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bunnyhuggger
04-01-2005, 06:07 PM
Just got this today:

From: RWAFirstAlert-owner@yahoogroups.com
Date: 01/04/05 16:40:36
To: RWAFirstAlert@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RWAFirstAlert] 47 rabbits desperately needing homes in Sussex UK




Dear member

The RWA is forwarding this message on behalf of the Animal Campaign
Express E-newsletter.

From : Animal Campaign Express E-newsletter No 66
(a.c.e@ukf.net ) , sent by Linda Furness

Homes are desperately needed for 47 Dutch rabbit, Belgian hare
crosses. Hutches provided. Must be rehomed before 8th January or
they'll be put to sleep.
Please contact Karen or Anoushka on 01273 885101. It is NOT Karen &
Anoushka who will have them put to sleep - they would never dream of
it. They have heard about them through contacts in the Sussex area
and as they are unable to home more than 3 (they have 116 already!)
they are appealing for homes for the others.

Please do not contact the RWA directly about this notice.

Thank you.

Tamsin
04-01-2005, 06:12 PM
You beat me too it was just going to post :)

The animals are all entire and range in age from 8 weeks to 2 years. The are crosses between dutch and belgium hares! It started off with four adults and the rest are the offspring. There are no pure belgiums, the lady refuses to give up the mums (belgiums).

Foster homes would be useful particularly those in the local area.

Tam

marshall
04-01-2005, 06:17 PM
I thought I would ask on here incase someone knows - are these garden rabbits ie they could go outside and if someone was to foster would costs be met??

Tamsin
04-01-2005, 06:19 PM
They could be outside but as belgium hare crosses they will need plenty of excersise space so a large run and hutch/shed.

I'm not sure about costs, the number for the rescue dealing with it is in the top post phone and ask :)

Tam

marshall
04-01-2005, 06:22 PM
I live in sussex and feel terrible that these buns will be killed - I should ring - I might ring!! could I cross post this thread to pet rescue??

Tamsin
04-01-2005, 06:26 PM
Yep, cross post.

If you can foster then ring, they do come with hutches. Think first though, there is no point taking them on if you can't cope. You can always ring and ask questions you don't have to take them on just because you called. :)

Best wishes,
Tamsin

Denny
04-01-2005, 06:33 PM
does that mean that they are all in sussex :?:

Tamsin
04-01-2005, 06:44 PM
Yep, its one group.

Tam

FurryFriends
04-01-2005, 06:48 PM
Going out on a limb, but I can take 10 of them.

Emma

Tamsin
04-01-2005, 06:53 PM
Thats great Emma! Do you want me to phone and give her your details or will you get in touch?

Tam

FurryFriends
04-01-2005, 06:57 PM
Its ok. I will call her as I will need her address etc. for pick up. I can only pick up the weekend, but that is before the deadline anyway.

Emma

luvabun
04-01-2005, 07:18 PM
does that mean that they are all in sussex :?:

Planning a day out Denny?

Note to others: is it normal to cross breed buns with Belgian Hares and are there any potential health issues as a result?

Tamsin
04-01-2005, 07:30 PM
Nope, Belgium hares are usually bred to other belgium hares. Belgiums are big bunnies so these will probably need plenty of exercise space and largish hutches (some are adults so you'd be able to get an idea of the final size) if you met them.

Tam

FurryFriends
04-01-2005, 08:12 PM
Looking good!

Have just spoken to Karen and they have managed to place all but 11.

Therefore with the 10 I can take (two of which Animal Lifeline can squeeze in and two of which Donna at The Arc can take) this leaves me with 6 to care for here. No doubt we can sort out the extra one though!

If you can phone Karen to confirm this at some stage Tamsin as I am off to clean and feed now and won't get time for th net again. Could you find out what day they are hoping to move them? I can do either day, but need to know asap as I need to plan the weekend for appointments etc.

Thanks!

Emma

bunnylove
04-01-2005, 08:32 PM
WHAT A HONEY YOU ARE EMMA WELL DONE, I WAS VERY CONCERNED AS I SAW THE AD ON RR BUT LIVE IN ESSEX, PLEASE KEEP US INFORMED OF HOW THEY AND YOURSELF GET ON!!!! AND SOME PICS PLEASE WHEN YOU GET THE TIME.
GOOD STUFF YOUR AN ANGEL
XXXX

bunnytales
04-01-2005, 08:40 PM
Wow! - Brill News - Looks like these Bunns have the Angels shining on them then :wink:

Well done Emma and everyone involved.

Tamsin
04-01-2005, 08:46 PM
Thats great, I'll ring and confirm that Emma. Sue says she can take 4 if needed.

Tam

Denny
04-01-2005, 08:55 PM
does that mean that they are all in sussex :?:

Planning a day out Denny?

:) Would have considered it if the places had not been found (as a fosterer to the smaller ones, until space in a rescue was available) but luckily it's all seem sorted now :D Well done everyone involved :D

Tamsin
04-01-2005, 08:57 PM
She's talking to the woman tommorow to arrange getting them and then will give you a ring Emma. She says after your ten have gone there will be 6 left. 5 x 16 week olds of unkown sex and one male.

So I'll speak to Sue and see if she'd like some.

Tam

bunnyhuggger
04-01-2005, 09:37 PM
yay! http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/otn/realhappy/luxhello.gifhttp://smilies.jeeptalk.org/otn/blobs/boldyellow.gif

Bunnyboarding
04-01-2005, 10:19 PM
Hey guys, I think everyone's got it wrong here, I think the rabbits should be neutered & the owner PTS!! :lol: :twisted:

I think its bloody pathetic the owner let it get to this situation....and even worse that she is still in the position to let it escalate again if she owns the parents still?

I am also concerned that there are a number of 'unknown sex' rabbits along with a known male of 16 weeks old. You do realise that these could be pregnant does by now, especially if they take after their dutch parentage as dutch sexually mature very quickly. :shock:

Well done for taking them but I hope history is not going to repeat itself.

FurryFriends
04-01-2005, 10:23 PM
No fear there!

All the ones I am taking are entire males!

The does have gone to the rescue who were contacted about this.

All of the males will be castrated, as are all rabbits when they come here. We have a strict neutering and non-breeding policy.

Emma

Bunnyboarding
04-01-2005, 10:28 PM
Oh, just to say there are no real differences with owning Belgian Hares as opposed to other breeds of rabbit, just that they are tall when they stand on their back legs & have long upright ears so will need a cage height no less than 20", but mine have at least 2ft from floor to ceiling.

The older generation of hare-breeders say that they can easily break their bones if they have too much space (because they have a very fine & delicate skeletal structure) so they tend to give them cages of less length but greater depth to add space that way). However I have not experienced this with my hares (touching wood) & they have a quite a bit of space, but doubt you wil have problems of this sort as these particular rabbits are crossed with dutch.

Tamsin
04-01-2005, 10:28 PM
Yep, all the males are being removed.

Sue is taking the remaining six. We'll need to sort transport for that. Do you have room in the car to take her's up to your's Emma, if we find someone to do the trip from yours to Sue?

Tam

FurryFriends
04-01-2005, 10:34 PM
Which 6 are we talking about?

A different six or the six that make up the 10 that I am collecting? :?

Emma

Tamsin
04-01-2005, 10:37 PM
Different ones. She said after you take your ten there will be 6 left. 5x 16 week old babies and one single male. Sue says she'll take those.

Tam

FurryFriends
04-01-2005, 10:42 PM
Is this Sue Bracknell Rabbit Rescue Sue?

If yes, then transport is easy enough. I can collect my 10, deliver 4 to Christine (for her and Donna), take my 6 home and then take 6 to Sue.

All sorted and pieced together!

(Unless it is a different Sue!)

Emma

smallbrownfrog
04-01-2005, 10:46 PM
well done everyone. that's an amazing response. if a temp foster home is needed for a few i could help. although i'm based in london.

Tamsin
04-01-2005, 10:55 PM
Yep, Bracknell Sue. Brilliant, I think we are all sorted then :D

Thanks Emma, your a star!

Tam

luvabun
05-01-2005, 02:00 AM
Yep, Bracknell Sue. Brilliant, I think we are all sorted then :D

Thanks Emma, your a star!

Tam

Mmmm and I'll get to see them then as I can always find an excuse to visit Sue :lol:

emilou
05-01-2005, 10:24 AM
has the owner still got the originals? if so whats to stop her doing this all over again?
Well done all bunny adopters by the way :D

Bunnyboarding
05-01-2005, 10:30 AM
Hi Emilou,

The first message on here was cross-posted on another site & it actually said that the owner was not going to give up the does!

That's what made me question it too.

I think in this case it'd be better off to remove all rabbits & hutches, etc.

Nix
05-01-2005, 01:13 PM
Yep, Bracknell Sue. Brilliant, I think we are all sorted then :D

Thanks Emma, your a star!

Tam

Mmmm and I'll get to see them then as I can always find an excuse to visit Sue :lol:

Ooh, I'm taking my buns for another bunny holiday at their Aunty Sue's in a week and a bit. I may have to have a sneaky peek!

(Must...Not...Adopt...More...Rabbits...or boyfriend may actually leave!)

luvabun
05-01-2005, 02:10 PM
Yep, Bracknell Sue. Brilliant, I think we are all sorted then :D

Thanks Emma, your a star!

Tam

Mmmm and I'll get to see them then as I can always find an excuse to visit Sue :lol:

Ooh, I'm taking my buns for another bunny holiday at their Aunty Sue's in a week and a bit. I may have to have a sneaky peek!

(Must...Not...Adopt...More...Rabbits...or boyfriend may actually leave!)

And there's no point not taking a pet carrier along as they have spare ones you can borrow :lol: :wink:

marshall
05-01-2005, 05:27 PM
well i'm really confused - I rang at half eight last night to be told that they dont know how many are left and how many they have placed and that they still needed fosters - I have volunteered myself as a last resort if any ar left when the dealine gets here and was told that they wont know anything more until the end of the week when they get there to see them ---help!! what is going on???

Tamsin
05-01-2005, 05:38 PM
The owner is taking the rabbits to the rescue rather than the rescue picking them up. The rabbits were in worse condition than they were told. It looks like most of them are going to need medical attention before they can go to homes.

I'm guessing the rescue is now going to go to the owners house to check up on them. The discrepancy in numbers is possibly because the rescue wasn't told accurate ones by the owner.

Tam

Maaike_Butter
05-01-2005, 06:45 PM
Dudes, this sounds like it's going to get stinky...

...and it makes me mad...

:evil:

Bunnyboarding
05-01-2005, 06:56 PM
The discrepancy in numbers is possibly because the rescue wasn't told accurate ones by the owner.

Tam

So I continue to wonder how many more rabbits this owner has up her sleeve.......? :shock:

Tamsin
05-01-2005, 07:03 PM
I think they are now going to the womans house to check, I received the following follow up:

Well...... some of them have arrived at her home and they are in the most appalling condition - babies with their ears bitten down and all other sorts of mutilations from fights between unneutered rabbits. They are filthy and smell of manure and have been taken immediately to the vet (a vegan AR supporter who does the work more cheaply for Karen). The woman has kept the others back as she says they need treatment before she can hand them on so we can only imagine what they are like. That will be dealt with! However, Karen will need some help with the bill, which will be substantial despite the discount. If any of your readers feel that they can help out can they make cheques payable to St Francis Surgery and send them straight to 40 Norfolk Square, Brighton, East Sussex BN1 2PE and don't forget to add a note that they are for Karen Rodger's account. I know that this is a lean time of year but please, please try to send something, no matter how small, as the worry is making Karen quite ill - something she can't afford to be as she already spends from morning til night cleaning, nursing and feeding animals.

Bunnyboarding
05-01-2005, 09:24 PM
Just as I thought!
That many rabbits just cannot live together in 'unknown' sexes without serious injury & illness :x

I'm wondering where on earth she obtained the original rabbits from?...especially the Belgian Hares as there aren't that many breeders of them in the South. :?:

If anyone gets hold of one of the adults they should have a look for a ring on its leg & if so, contact the BRC to trace the original owner!

Tamsin
05-01-2005, 09:52 PM
I'll give her a call tommorow evening to see how its going and mention getting the ring no's if poss.

She can't have bred them herself as she only has female belgiums.

Tam

luvabun
06-01-2005, 07:33 AM
I'm appalled following this thread. Now that someone is on this womans' case, will she still go ahead with the 8th Jan deadline to put them to sleep? Seems a lot of evidence will dissappear there.

Caz
06-01-2005, 08:19 AM
I think her saying she would have them pts is probably an idle threat to get us all worked up and ensure they are "gotton rid of" quicker - the cost of having an animal pts is high and I am sure vets wouldn't give the "compassion" discount if the animals were actually healthy/treatable.

However once she realised the cost of having 47+ rabbits actually pts one wonders what she might have done instead if they hadn't been found homes for!

Caz

Towsbuns
06-01-2005, 01:16 PM
The first message on here was cross-posted on another site & it actually said that the owner was not going to give up the does!

That's what made me question it too.

I think in this case it'd be better off to remove all rabbits & hutches, etc.

I agree Cheryl - is there any way it could be ensured that if she insists on keeping the does that they are spayed?

haffyj
06-01-2005, 01:31 PM
I feel so sorry for those poor bunnies that have been stuck there getting this treatment from her thank god theres kind people out there like yourselves to get them in to proper homes Give yourselves a big pat on the back

emilou
06-01-2005, 02:57 PM
This is indeed enraging stuff. How individuals can get away with treating animals with such little respect is unbelievable.
Is there anything that can be done to the woman??im not planning murder or anything here but I mean legally. I follow the Hayward bunny case in america and anything we can do 'in the style of' that i'd support. Im not suggesting anything silly but does anyone know what has to happen so charges could be brought against her. Realistically someone who can let buns suffer in this way should be banned from keeping bunnies at least i think.

Tamsin
06-01-2005, 03:05 PM
I think the US has better laws :( I'm not sure whether you can present evidence to the police directly here or you have to rely on the rspca to do something.

Tam

haffyj
06-01-2005, 03:12 PM
This is indeed enraging stuff. How individuals can get away with treating animals with such little respect is unbelievable.
Is there anything that can be done to the woman??im not planning murder or anything here but I mean legally. I follow the Hayward bunny case in america and anything we can do 'in the style of' that i'd support. Im not suggesting anything silly but does anyone know what has to happen so charges could be brought against her. Realistically someone who can let buns suffer in this way should be banned from keeping bunnies at least i think.

I think anybody whos has treated any animal badly no matter what it is should be banned from keeping any animals. if you done that to a human being you would go to prison, so why is it so different when you do it to animals who can't call for help

emilou
06-01-2005, 03:21 PM
i agree haffyi, but i did say realistically. In a climate where animals can be mistreated in the appalling manner they are in uk farming industry and it goes without saying in the slaughter houses of gb I dont think the law will ever change in favour of pet animals in the way we all would like.

bunnytales
06-01-2005, 03:40 PM
GB - Nation of Animal Lovers :roll: - It never ceases to amaze does it!

I'm so sorry to hear the plight of these bunnies just when you guys had all rallied round so hard to find some temporary help for them!!

Poor bunsters :cry:

Bunnyboarding
06-01-2005, 04:30 PM
I think her saying she would have them pts is probably an idle threat to get us all worked up and ensure they are "gotton rid of" quicker - the cost of having an animal pts is high and I am sure vets wouldn't give the "compassion" discount if the animals were actually healthy/treatable.

However once she realised the cost of having 47+ rabbits actually pts one wonders what she might have done instead if they hadn't been found homes for!

Caz

I thought this also BUT there are ways of culling without seeing a vet (doesn't cost anything)which does go on more than people realise. :? Lets hope she is not thinking along those lines :roll:

kelly
06-01-2005, 05:59 PM
Hang on! Im a little confused here.
So did this woman contact the rescue stating she needed these rabbits rehomed else they will be pts or had she beedn reported? How dare she have the nerve to keep these bunnies in such a bad way and then give a threat that they will be pts if not rehomed! She is just passing on her damage for someone else to sort out. I bet she is some really nutty woman that doesn't actually believe there is anything wrong with the conditions as to which they are kept in. I think maybe the RSPCA should be called in to see the situation and then they could possibly take further action otherwise this will just continue.