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bunnylove
02-01-2005, 08:22 PM
hi does anyone know what treats you can give young rabbits that are not old enough to eat veg?

Tamsin
02-01-2005, 08:28 PM
Nose rubs? If there not old enough for veg they aren't old enough for anything else treat wise. At such a young age they are very prone to stomach upsets especially without their mum their. Plain foods are best.

Tam

luvabun
02-01-2005, 08:40 PM
On the subject of treats, I love chocolate and eat your normal Cadbury's etc. However, a treat for me is your top notch Belgian chocs. So, surely a treat for a bunny would be better quality hay rather than something processed for a different animal/human to eat.

LurcherGirl
02-01-2005, 08:43 PM
My guys - whatever age they are - never get any treats with two exceptions: at Christmas and Easter they all get a treat bar... :roll:

taylor v 109
02-01-2005, 08:45 PM
I totaly agree, there is one thing though, if you can get hold of some small branches of apple, pear or cherry tree they may like that. If they do they will strip the bark off and do their teeth the world of good. I dont agree with giving treats such as the ones from the pet shops because they are held together with honey[ very bad for them]. Try and stick to natural treats like fruit tree branches unusual veggies, alpalph hay, reddie grass thing like that. Think of your rabbit as a child and only give them whot is good for them. val

bunnylove
02-01-2005, 09:06 PM
On the subject of treats, I love chocolate and eat your normal Cadbury's etc. However, a treat for me is your top notch Belgian chocs. So, surely a treat for a bunny would be better quality hay rather than something processed for a different animal/human to eat.

i meant rolled oats, or digestive buscuit or something not chocolate or rubbish like that, they go mad when they see me feeding veg to there mother..... so i wondered if there was anything else i could give them.

bunnylove
02-01-2005, 09:08 PM
On the subject of treats, I love chocolate and eat your normal Cadbury's etc. However, a treat for me is your top notch Belgian chocs. So, surely a treat for a bunny would be better quality hay rather than something processed for a different animal/human to eat.

i meant rolled oats, or digestive buscuit or something not chocolate or rubbish like that, they go mad when they see me feeding veg to there mother..... so i wondered if there was anything else i could give them.

bunnylove
02-01-2005, 09:13 PM
I totaly agree, there is one thing though, if you can get hold of some small branches of apple, pear or cherry tree they may like that. If they do they will strip the bark off and do their teeth the world of good. I dont agree with giving treats such as the ones from the pet shops because they are held together with honey[ very bad for them]. Try and stick to natural treats like fruit tree branches unusual veggies, alpalph hay, reddie grass thing like that. Think of your rabbit as a child and only give them whot is good for them. val

i did not mean rubbish just wondered if they could have rolled oats or something like that, they have apple tree branches but what is "unusual vegs"

bunnyhuggger
02-01-2005, 09:14 PM
I don't give my buns any stick treats, biscuits, yoghurt drops or anything like that. Like malocclusion, dental caries are becoming very common in rabbit's teeth. Giving only occasionally like Vera does is ok, but not on a regular basis. I give mine little bits of fresh fruit as a real treat.

As for babies, I wouldn't risk giving them anything containing refined sugar.

LurcherGirl
02-01-2005, 09:24 PM
Just wondering how old these rabbits are. From what I understand if babies grow up on vegetables and stuff, they haven't got a problem with them - after all, wild rabbits are not reared on dry food either, but start off on the same fresh grass as the adults. The problems occur if they have been reared on dry food only (as most pet shop/breeder rabbits are). Their digestive system is particularly sensitive until they are about three months old and during that time they don't tolerate diet changes very well. So therefore the problem is not the greens, but the diet change (introduction of greens if not reared on them). But because the history of rabbits is usually not known and because many breeders don't feed greens, it is generally recommended not to feed them any until they are about three months old - to be on the safe side.

I have seen a litter being reared on greens, the same diet as the parents were eating, withouth any problems at all.

Anyone correct me please if this is totally wrong...

Vera

luvabun
02-01-2005, 09:47 PM
i meant rolled oats, or digestive buscuit or something not chocolate or rubbish like that, they go mad when they see me feeding veg to there mother..... so i wondered if there was anything else i could give them.

sorry, but aren't rolled oats or digestive biscuits prepared for human consumption as well? Still don't seem natural bunny fodder to me.

bunnylove
02-01-2005, 10:57 PM
Just wondering how old these rabbits are. From what I understand if babies grow up on vegetables and stuff, they haven't got a problem with them - after all, wild rabbits are not reared on dry food either, but start off on the same fresh grass as the adults. The problems occur if they have been reared on dry food only (as most pet shop/breeder rabbits are). Their digestive system is particularly sensitive until they are about three months old and during that time they don't tolerate diet changes very well. So therefore the problem is not the greens, but the diet change (introduction of greens if not reared on them). But because the history of rabbits is usually not known and because many breeders don't feed greens, it is generally recommended not to feed them any until they are about three months old - to be on the safe side.

I have seen a litter being reared on greens, the same diet as the parents were eating, withouth any problems at all.

Anyone correct me please if this is totally wrong...

hi there my babies are eight weeks old and born from my doe, when i first got rabbits just over a year ago i was told you could not feed veg, until there 6 months old, so i have lived by this.....but they drive me mad ha ha !!!! when i feed there mum veg because they try and fight her for it... so i was wondering if there was any little healthy treat i could give to take there mind of it.....
Vera

bunnylove
02-01-2005, 11:00 PM
i meant rolled oats, or digestive buscuit or something not chocolate or rubbish like that, they go mad when they see me feeding veg to there mother..... so i wondered if there was anything else i could give them.

sorry, but aren't rolled oats or digestive biscuits prepared for human consumption as well? Still don't seem natural bunny fodder to me.

rolled oats is porriage just wheat and the same for digestive busciuts
so i dont see the problem with giving them ever so often as a treat unless you know of a reason not to?

bunnyhuggger
02-01-2005, 11:09 PM
digestive biscuits contain lots of sugar and butter as well as other processed ingredients, rolled oats are just oats rolled flat. To be perfectly honest bunnylove, I have never given my rabbits rolled oats but I know that others have, it's just I'm not sure if it's safe to give them to baby buns :? . Definitely would not advise the digestive biscuits or any type of biscuit though :no: . It must be quite frustrating for you watching them going nuts every time :lol:

bunnylove
02-01-2005, 11:13 PM
digestive biscuits contain lots of sugar and butter as well as other processed ingredients, rolled oats are just oats rolled flat. To be perfectly honest bunnylove, I have never given my rabbits rolled oats but I know that others have, it's just I'm not sure if it's safe to give them to baby buns :? . Definitely would not advise the digestive biscuits or any type of biscuit though :no: . It must be quite frustrating for you watching them going nuts every time :lol:#


its is frustrating i fill like i am doing them an injustise, in my human sense... and its is difficiut as one persons advise will differ to someone elses so its hard to know whats right to give and whats wrong... i was told you cant give veg until they are 6 months old but heard other say different how do you know what to do for the best?
thanks

LurcherGirl
02-01-2005, 11:30 PM
The advice that I have usually heard is no veg until 3 months old (this is the time when the digestive system becomes a bit more stable and stronger) - because as mentioned most bunnies are not weened onto veg at all! So it's best to be safe unless you are absolutely sure they are used to it.

Other than that, I can only speak from experience: I once gave a baby bunny (Sunny) one small piece of broccoli at around 8 weeks old... and he very nearly died on me of GI stasis. Now whether that was connected to that piece of broccoli or not I will never know, but it has made me very careful.
Since then, I gradually introduce vegetables (one by one in very small quantities) when they are about 3 months old. So far, I have not had any problems with this. I currently have a lionhead lop, he is 4 months old and has been on veg for 4 weeks. The first two weeks he got very little, increased to about half the normal amount. For the last two weeks or so, he has had the normal allowance - no digestive trouble at all, poos as nice as always!

Ultimately it is your decision. Read all the facts, comments and opinions and then make an educated decision. When you introduce veg, do it very carefully, one by one (so you know whether bunny gets on alright with one particular veg and to give the digestive system time to adjust - meaning to create the adequate bacteria - to new foods) and in small amounts.

Vera

bunnylove
02-01-2005, 11:46 PM
The advice that I have usually heard is no veg until 3 months old (this is the time when the digestive system becomes a bit more stable and stronger) - because as mentioned most bunnies are not weened onto veg at all! So it's best to be safe unless you are absolutely sure they are used to it.

Other than that, I can only speak from experience: I once gave a baby bunny (Sunny) one small piece of broccoli at around 8 weeks old... and he very nearly died on me of GI stasis. Now whether that was connected to that piece of broccoli or not I will never know, but it has made me very careful.
Since then, I gradually introduce vegetables (one by one in very small quantities) when they are about 3 months old. So far, I have not had any problems with this. I currently have a lionhead lop, he is 4 months old and has been on veg for 4 weeks. The first two weeks he got very little, increased to about half the normal amount. For the last two weeks or so, he has had the normal allowance - no digestive trouble at all, poos as nice as always!

Ultimately it is your decision. Read all the facts, comments and opinions and then make an educated decision. When you introduce veg, do it very carefully, one by one (so you know whether bunny gets on alright with one particular veg and to give the digestive system time to adjust - meaning to create the adequate bacteria - to new foods) and in small amounts.

Vera

so what is the daily allowance of veg for an adult rabbit?

LurcherGirl
03-01-2005, 08:40 AM
Mine all get one rabbit bowl full in the evening... How much do others feed?

bunnygran
03-01-2005, 08:57 AM
I give my 2 a bowl full in the morning and one when we get home from work around 6.30. They only have one bowl between the two of them though!

LurcherGirl
03-01-2005, 09:09 AM
They only have one bowl between the two of them though!

Ah, that's the same amount as mine then, as mine get one bowl a day each...

bunnygran
03-01-2005, 11:49 AM
I've tried really hard to get them to eat hay - but they have very little. I do give them willow branches to nibble and Science Supreme (a bowl between them in the morning). They are both very lively so I think this must be OK. I do worry that they may get problems with their teeth as they eat so little hay, but they seem OK up to now. Rosie is 3 and Jack 2 yrs old.

nicolar
03-01-2005, 02:28 PM
Mine get a bowl of veggies a day, sometimes more, sometimes less depending upon what is in the fridge at the time!! My buns go mad for veggies :)

bunnylove
03-01-2005, 05:23 PM
Mine get a bowl of veggies a day, sometimes more, sometimes less depending upon what is in the fridge at the time!! My buns go mad for veggies :)

is too many veg bad for them???

bunnylove
03-01-2005, 05:24 PM
Mine get a bowl of veggies a day, sometimes more, sometimes less depending upon what is in the fridge at the time!! My buns go mad for veggies :)

is too many veg bad for them???

nicolar
03-01-2005, 05:29 PM
It depends how much veg they are used to and what veggies they are having! Mine have always been used to veggies so if I give slightly more than usual it's fine and I get happy buns :)

I don't think there is a specific amount of veg you should give your bun everyday (correct me if I'm wrong!), it just depends on the individual. My bunnies also get grass and other garden bits and bobs everyday as well as they spend a few hours running round the garden. So on days when I know they have eaten lots of garden stuff they don't always get as much veg. I'm lucky with my buns as they seem to have tums that don't get upset!

How many buns do you have and how old are they?

Nicola

bunnylove
03-01-2005, 05:37 PM
It depends how much veg they are used to and what veggies they are having! Mine have always been used to veggies so if I give slightly more than usual it's fine and I get happy buns :)

I don't think there is a specific amount of veg you should give your bun everyday (correct me if I'm wrong!), it just depends on the individual. My bunnies also get grass and other garden bits and bobs everyday as well as they spend a few hours running round the garden. So on days when I know they have eaten lots of garden stuff they don't always get as much veg. I'm lucky with my buns as they seem to have tums that don't get upset!

How many buns do you have and how old are they?

hi there i have 9 buns, one i have had a year and she seems alright on veg. one that is 6 months (a rescue) and he does seem to have a lot of soft poos so i tend not to give him veg alot because he seems to have a doggy digestive system. and a four month bunny that i want to start on veg and 6 8 week old babies that are too young for veg...
Nicola

nicolar
03-01-2005, 05:41 PM
Wow lots of buns then! With the 6 month old one, what else does he eat? I only ask because Excel made my youngest rabbit have more soft poos and cutting down the amount of dry food has helped with that. Also if they get too much pellet/mix food they produce excess caecotrophs which they then don't eat. Is it excess caecotrophs or diarrhea your 6 month old has? Does he eat lots of hay?

Nicola

bunnylove
03-01-2005, 05:54 PM
Wow lots of buns then! With the 6 month old one, what else does he eat? I only ask because Excel made my youngest rabbit have more soft poos and cutting down the amount of dry food has helped with that. Also if they get too much pellet/mix food they produce excess caecotrophs which they then don't eat. Is it excess caecotrophs or diarrhea your 6 month old has? Does he eat lots of hay?

Nicola

hi he was dumped outside a petshop where i buy my supplies with four 3 weeks old babies, so i took him on because he was very neglected pasta twist shaped nails, and very quite, well because we did not know what was being feed i just put him on burgess excel like my others but allways suffered for to much ceaecotrophs whixh he rarely eats, very messy!!!
he does not eat hay and i have managed to get him to eat small amounts a ready grass but that is it, so i tend not to give much veg and if i do i give very small pieces, i would love to give more because he seems to love it but i am not sure what to do for the best and the vets in not brill round here. so if you have any sugestions i would love to hear them, he has been on burguess with me since september!!!!

thanks bunnylove xx

bunnylove
03-01-2005, 05:55 PM
Wow lots of buns then! With the 6 month old one, what else does he eat? I only ask because Excel made my youngest rabbit have more soft poos and cutting down the amount of dry food has helped with that. Also if they get too much pellet/mix food they produce excess caecotrophs which they then don't eat. Is it excess caecotrophs or diarrhea your 6 month old has? Does he eat lots of hay?

Nicola

hi he was dumped outside a petshop where i buy my supplies with four 3 weeks old babies, so i took him on because he was very neglected pasta twist shaped nails, and very quite, well because we did not know what was being feed i just put him on burgess excel like my others but allways suffered for to much ceaecotrophs whixh he rarely eats, very messy!!!
he does not eat hay and i have managed to get him to eat small amounts a ready grass but that is it, so i tend not to give much veg and if i do i give very small pieces, i would love to give more because he seems to love it but i am not sure what to do for the best and the vets in not brill round here. so if you have any sugestions i would love to hear them, he has been on burguess with me since september!!!!

thanks bunnylove xx

nicolar
03-01-2005, 05:59 PM
Ah he was very lucky to have been found by you then :) How much excel are you feeding him? How big is he? If I feed my bun over by even 10g I always know about it! Same with my foster bun. It's hard to get them to eat hay when they just turn their noses up! I would try sort out the excess caecotrophs first before introducing the veggies, one thing at a time :) A change in dry food may help if reducing the amount doesn't Supreme Science is also meant to be very good. Does he eat much grass?

Nicola

bunnylove
03-01-2005, 06:10 PM
Ah he was very lucky to have been found by you then :) How much excel are you feeding him? How big is he? If I feed my bun over by even 10g I always know about it! Same with my foster bun. It's hard to get them to eat hay when they just turn their noses up! I would try sort out the excess caecotrophs first before introducing the veggies, one thing at a time :) A change in dry food may help if reducing the amount doesn't Supreme Science is also meant to be very good. Does he eat much grass?

Nicola
i must admit i feed ad lib but not excessively....he is a n/dwalf and doent eat hay no matter how i tart it up. he has started to eat ready grass but not masses, do you think i should change his dried food, he donts seem to eat masses of burgess either.

nicolar
03-01-2005, 06:27 PM
I would start weighing out his food to start with, no need to change as yet as it may be the amounts upsetting his tum, not the food. It says on the packet to feed 3% of bodyweight. I expect this will be about 35 - 40 grams per day depending on how much he weighs. If you try this and the excess caecotrophs don't get better I would think about changing the food.

Have you had his teeth checked? They are prone to teeth problems because of their small size, it may be that is uncomfortable/painful for him to eat hay.

Just a few suggestions :)

Nicola

bunnylove
03-01-2005, 06:41 PM
I would start weighing out his food to start with, no need to change as yet as it may be the amounts upsetting his tum, not the food. It says on the packet to feed 3% of bodyweight. I expect this will be about 35 - 40 grams per day depending on how much he weighs. If you try this and the excess caecotrophs don't get better I would think about changing the food.

Have you had his teeth checked? They are prone to teeth problems because of their small size, it may be that is uncomfortable/painful for him to eat hay.

Just a few suggestions :)

Nicola

teeth are fine got them check out when i had him neutered, as i said he dont seem to eat masses of burgess but 40 grams per day, he will starve!!! with the fact he dont fill up on hay... it seems cruel..... ut will try it.

nicolar
03-01-2005, 06:44 PM
He won't starve :) It might also convince him that filling up on hay is the best bet!! Rabbits aren't silly, they won't starve themselves! My bun who doesn't eat a lot of hay gets 3% of her body weight, I promise you she doesn't starve! It might be the only way to get rid of his excess caecotrophs .... or switch him to a food where he doesn't have excess. By having less to eat he will more than likely eat his caecotrophs too :) Much better for him than eating too much dry food, as dry food also tends to put weight on.

Glad his teeth are ok :)

Nicola

bunnylove
03-01-2005, 06:49 PM
hi nicola how do i know what they all should weigh so i can work out the 3%. i have the n/dwalf we were talking about and then a n/dwalf mix i think and a mini lop, who does not appear that mini!!!!

nicolar
03-01-2005, 06:55 PM
Have you got any scales or anything you can weigh them on? I'm not 100% sure what a Netherland Dwarf should weigh but it isn't much! I think your best bet is def to weigh them, if you haven't got anything at home perhaps you could use the vet's scales or they may have a weight for him from when he was neutered if it wasn't that long ago? I think the average amount of Excel for a bun is 50g but obv weighing them will mean you can be more exact :)

taylor v 109
03-01-2005, 11:00 PM
I think its just best to stick to whot they were raised on, thensay about 14 wks begin adding very smal amounts of veggies until they are used to them and of course stop if they get the runs. val