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Gem
27-12-2004, 09:39 PM
I currently feed most of mine Burgess Excel Bunny, one can't cope with it and has to have Science Selective :roll:

Has anyone found Excel to be too rich for their bun?

I seem to have the squidgy bum prob with just one on Excel. Any advice?

Gem x

Mubby
27-12-2004, 09:49 PM
Mubby has Excel..and has a very clean bum! :lol:

Bino Wabbit
27-12-2004, 10:12 PM
Mine are all on excel junior and they are all fine with it. Has the rabbit always had problems on it or just recently?
I have used the Science selective with a previous bunny i had, maybe just keep feeding that one that food.

LurcherGirl
27-12-2004, 10:20 PM
1 of mine had problems on excel, so I changed them all over the Science Selective - and they are fine now.

Of course, that's only the smallest part of their diet. They also have loads of hay and veg.

Maaike_Butter
27-12-2004, 10:38 PM
My girls had a problem on Excel until I started feeding MUCH less of it. I now feed 60g/day, and finally no soft poops or yucky bums.

Remember to stick to feeding once or twice a day with pellets, not ad lib, and weigh what you're feeding...

Gem
27-12-2004, 10:39 PM
They eat mostly hay anyway,

It has been in the past few days really, they used to be on Science Selective but it wasn't keeping the weight on them.

Thanx Nicola, Bino and Vera

Rexy bexy
28-12-2004, 12:28 AM
hi,
mine r fed on allen and page natural rabbit pellets it has a high fiber and low protein % in which rabbit feeds should have. Iv used burgess exel in the past and had no probs with it but over feeding can result to messy bums but not in all cases.
becky

Tamsin
28-12-2004, 12:48 AM
I feed supreme science. I've heard alot of people mention problems with excel. Its generally helped by reducing the quanities.

The lite version is better than the standard. I can understand having a junior version and an adult version but as far as I know dwarf rabbits don't have different requirements to an average sized bun :? A 'dwarf' lop is the same size as a medium bun. I thihnk its a bit misleading.

Tam

Jaypot
28-12-2004, 02:06 AM
Most of mine are on Supreme Science - they prefer it. Jack and Chubby took to it straight away and if we offer them Burgess now they look at us as though they are being poisoned :shock:
We use the Burgess Junior for the underweight buns and those with toofy peg problems - they usually have it soaked and fluffed up.
Just a couple more to get off the Johnsons Supreme - that's one of those mixes with the pretty bits in :?

Maaike_Butter
28-12-2004, 10:52 AM
I feed supreme science. I've heard alot of people mention problems with excel. Its generally helped by reducing the quanities.

The lite version is better than the standard. I can understand having a junior version and an adult version but as far as I know dwarf rabbits don't have different requirements to an average sized bun :? A 'dwarf' lop is the same size as a medium bun. I thihnk its a bit misleading.

Tam

The difference is their metabolic speeds. Smaller breeds have much faster metabolisms than larger breeds. However, it is misleading with the naming of "dwarf", like you said. I think any medium breed and smaller should be fed dwarf feed...

Fluffybunny
28-12-2004, 11:55 AM
hi,
mine r fed on allen and page natural rabbit pellets it has a high fiber and low protein % in which rabbit feeds should have. Iv used burgess exel in the past and had no probs with it but over feeding can result to messy bums but not in all cases.
becky

Hi, I also feed Allen & Page pellets and have no probs (except they have started drinking more)....although have a couple on Burgress Excel Lite to try and slim them down with no messy bums.

Tamsin
28-12-2004, 12:57 PM
The difference is their metabolic speeds. Smaller breeds have much faster metabolisms than larger breeds. However, it is misleading with the naming of "dwarf", like you said. I think any medium breed and smaller should be fed dwarf feed...

I'm not convinced, with other feeds small rabbits seem to do as well as large on the same mix. They might eat slightly different quantities but I'm not sure that the higher protein content is warrented. An average sized rabbit shouldn't need the same levels as a pregnant/lactating doe which is what they are saying.

Excluding the extreme sized breeds such as giants and netherlands there isn't that much variation in size.

Tam

Amelia
28-12-2004, 01:53 PM
I had problems with Excel and have since changed all mine to Science Selective and have no problems whatsoever.

My only problem with Science Selective is that it doesn't seem to be readily available in the shops so I have to order it on line.

Bino Wabbit
28-12-2004, 02:07 PM
I had problems with Excel and have since changed all mine to Science Selective and have no problems whatsoever.

My only problem with Science Selective is that it doesn't seem to be readily available in the shops so I have to order it on line.

Hi
You should be able to get it from your vets, if they don't stock it then they should be able to order it in from their wholesalers :)

Rallybunny
28-12-2004, 02:31 PM
Evo's on Excell too. I started to switch him over to the Oxbow bunny basics, but that seemed to give him squidgy poos. He still does get then occaisionally, but I think that's when my o/h gives him too many when he feeds him.

Amelia
28-12-2004, 02:33 PM
Thanks, will try them :) .

It's just a shame it's not more readily available in the shops.

Maaike_Butter
28-12-2004, 02:59 PM
The difference is their metabolic speeds. Smaller breeds have much faster metabolisms than larger breeds. However, it is misleading with the naming of "dwarf", like you said. I think any medium breed and smaller should be fed dwarf feed...

I'm not convinced, with other feeds small rabbits seem to do as well as large on the same mix. They might eat slightly different quantities but I'm not sure that the higher protein content is warrented. An average sized rabbit shouldn't need the same levels as a pregnant/lactating doe which is what they are saying.

Excluding the extreme sized breeds such as giants and netherlands there isn't that much variation in size.

Tam

I don't personally have any experience with feed and sizes of bunnies, I'm just going by what I was told in my nutrition lecture...*shrugs* I think the "dwarf" label is a bit wrong. The very small breeds have ultra fast metabolisms, as do pregnant and lactating does...so I think they need a higher protein content in their feed. Medium size buns (including "larger" "dwarfs") need less protein...

I think it should be a weight/size guideline, not a 'breed name' guideline...

Tamsin
28-12-2004, 04:48 PM
I think it should be a weight/size guideline, not a 'breed name' guideline...

Yes, that would be a much more sensible way of doing it. The same for the recommended quantities of food.

Tam

Maaike_Butter
28-12-2004, 05:23 PM
Perhaps we should contact the manufacturers about it?

doorkeeper
28-12-2004, 06:15 PM
I feed mine the Allen and Page natural rabbit pellets. Most of the rabbits are very happy with it, especially when I mix in some of the guinea food with it to add a little spice. One pair doesn't eat much of it, but they used to eat less of the excel when I fed that too than the other pairs did.

The added bonus with Allen and Page is that it is far cheaper than Excel, and when you have as many rabbits as I do (15) that makes a big difference. I don't understand this really. It is organic, non-GM, vegetarian, - all things I would expect to pay more for, but it is MUCH cheaper - approx 6.50 for 20kg, yes 20kg. I used to pay 11.50 for 10kg for Excel. Madness!!

Rexy bexy
28-12-2004, 07:02 PM
I feed mine the Allen and Page natural rabbit pellets. Most of the rabbits are very happy with it, especially when I mix in some of the guinea food with it to add a little spice. One pair doesn't eat much of it, but they used to eat less of the excel when I fed that too than the other pairs did.

The added bonus with Allen and Page is that it is far cheaper than Excel, and when you have as many rabbits as I do (15) that makes a big difference. I don't understand this really. It is organic, non-GM, vegetarian, - all things I would expect to pay more for, but it is MUCH cheaper - approx 6.50 for 20kg, yes 20kg. I used to pay 11.50 for 10kg for Excel. Madness!!
yes i agree too, it is far cheaped and a good quailty food, that is another reason y i switched
becky

Toby
28-12-2004, 07:17 PM
Toby has anything his little heart wants :) He hates excel though -- he looks at me gone out when I give him that. Toby doesn't really like rabbit food full stop :lol: His spoilt I blame my mum :)

Gem
28-12-2004, 10:55 PM
I used to pay 11.50 for 10kg for Excel. Madness!!

I pay 12 for my Excel, which last roughly two weeks between 10 buns, I used to pay 14.50 for Science Selective :shock:

Do they have samples of the Allen & Page pellets to give out?

maryflynn
28-12-2004, 11:04 PM
ive always just used a mixed bad from the local pet shop and have never had any problems with poo's or illness, its simply what looks like dried cabbage and a few pellets of something n corny bits, mind you she always just pickes out the cabbage first lol, its dirt cheap too, bout 60p for a big bag lasts a week ish.. im worried now lol is this ok, it seems fine

maryflynn
28-12-2004, 11:04 PM
ive always just used a mixed bad from the local vets and have never had any problems with poo's or illness, its simply what looks like dried cabbage and a few pellets of something n corny bits, mind you she always just pickes out the cabbage first lol, its dirt cheap too, bout 60p for a big bag lasts a week ish.. im worried now lol is this ok, it seems fine

Rexy bexy
28-12-2004, 11:13 PM
I used to pay 11.50 for 10kg for Excel. Madness!!

I pay 12 for my Excel, which last roughly two weeks between 10 buns, I used to pay 14.50 for Science Selective :shock:

Do they have samples of the Allen & Page pellets to give out?

there is a very big rabbit show at bradford and they lots of stands there and A&P have a stand and do have samples of all there rabbit feeds but last year they had a offer and the 20kg bags were only 5 but will have lots of rabbit feed stands there, and others too
becky

nicolar
28-12-2004, 11:14 PM
Hiya

In the past month or so I've switched my youngest bun over to Excel and my foster bunny is on it. I find that if I feed too much of it they do get squishy poos so I'm careful with the amounts. My dwarf rabbit gets bout 45g per day and is doing well on that amount. Think she weighs about 1.5 kg maybe slightly more. My foster bunny weighs 3.5kg (or did when I got her!) and she is on about 100g a day - she needed some weight putting on her and is doing very well on it.

My other bunny is on a rabbit mix - I've tried to switch but to no avail. She is 5 years old and very healthy teeth and gut wise so I'm leaving her on it.

Maryflynn - the rabbit mixes aren't the best food available for the buns as I know all don't provide correct nutritional content BUT if your bun won't eat complete (like mine!) then I don't see the harm as it should form a very small part of the diet anyway. Over 80% should be hay and also some veggies. So as long as they are healthy and doing well I think it is up to the individual. Obviously if your bun likes complete then it is better but some buns are just fussy and who are we to make them eat what they don't like!!

Nicola

Gem
28-12-2004, 11:26 PM
there is a very big rabbit show at bradford and they lots of stands there and A&P have a stand and do have samples of all there rabbit feeds but last year they had a offer and the 20kg bags were only 5 but will have lots of rabbit feed stands there, and others too
becky

I can never get there though, thats the problem.

If you you show there I'm wondering if you know Sue from Pendragon Rats and Rabbits?

Rexy bexy
28-12-2004, 11:33 PM
there is a very big rabbit show at bradford and they lots of stands there and A&P have a stand and do have samples of all there rabbit feeds but last year they had a offer and the 20kg bags were only 5 but will have lots of rabbit feed stands there, and others too
becky

I can never get there though, thats the problem.

If you you show there I'm wondering if you know Sue from Pendragon Rats and Rabbits?

yes i have spoken to her b4 but never met her
becky

touie
05-01-2005, 04:20 PM
I have 2 bunnies on science selective because it is slightly cheaper than excel, and one on excel as that was what her previous owner gave her. I have not had any problems with either brand.

haffyj
05-01-2005, 04:33 PM
ive always just used a mixed bad from the local vets and have never had any problems with poo's or illness, its simply what looks like dried cabbage and a few pellets of something n corny bits, mind you she always just pickes out the cabbage first lol, its dirt cheap too, bout 60p for a big bag lasts a week ish.. im worried now lol is this ok, it seems fine

I have always used a pet shop mix, anything with carrots in Sugar likes, Misty was on russell rabbit junior till recently i started her on what Sugars eating (Its similer to russel rabbit carrot and leak just cheaper) she has started to get squidgy poos so i'm looking for something else to give her. Maybe i might try excel or something like that?

maryflynn
05-01-2005, 04:45 PM
hey guys again,

just a thought, while i kno many of u dont think rabbit mixes are good, and i did wonder this myself when i had those comments but mitz has just given birth 1st time to eight healthy happy babes and is really healthy, bouncy in herself and her diet has always been:

rabbit mix(just basic mix from pet shop), loads of hay, cabbage, spinach n occasional fruit treats and she has been checked over by vets who hav commented on her good state.

i do agree with all comments of the good brand pellets etc but must say it really depends on balance, budget and individual rabbits taste lol, whateva works for you.. xx

sarattie
10-01-2005, 12:19 AM
http://www.bunnybazaar.co.uk/assets/smlProds/bunny_basicst.jpg
has any one tried this? bunny basics T? available from bunnybazaar?

LurcherGirl
10-01-2005, 01:38 AM
I am using Oxbow 15/23 for my baby bunny Magic. But I could not feed all of mine on Oxbow as it would bankrupt me. Find the food really good for Magic though whilst he is young. Vera

slaterk
10-01-2005, 02:17 PM
On the advise of my vet my 2 get hay, hay more hay and carrots. When I first took them to the vet they were very young and she said while they were young I could feed them a tiny amount of something that wasn't hay or vegetables. She then went on to say that under no circumstances should I feed them anything dried after that batch of dried food had gone. She then explained why that was. The dried food (including pellets) can contain too much energy and stop the bunnies from chewing (mine are constantly chewing hay or carrot) which can cause teething problems. She told me that everything a rabbit needs is found in hay and even carrots are to be considered a treat (i.e. they don't really need them) but that they are also aren't going to do them any harm.

Caz
10-01-2005, 03:32 PM
The only problem is that hay doesn't contain the full range of vitamins and minerals a rabbit needs (as it is dried much of these are lost). In the wild they would eat a wide variety of fresh vegetation and this would give them a balanced diet. However if you are only feeding hay and carrots this will be a rather restricted diet and they could suffer from lack of vitamins.

I agree that hay is the best source of food and that constant chewing is vital for a rabbit's health but I prefer to ensure my rabbits have a complete diet so feed a small volume of pellets too. These are not the main food source as hay is available at all times as their main source supplemented with a wide variety of fresh vegetables from asparagus to spring greens (inc carrots) and herbs to ensure a variety in their diet and to make sure they get all the nutrients they need.

Caz

Alice
10-01-2005, 05:48 PM
I have Roo on the Science selective as the Super Excel was giving him the messy bum problem.......Splats has never had a problem on the Super Excel....but is currently on the Super Excel light as he is starting to get a bit big and lazy in his old age.........

loppylugs
10-01-2005, 09:53 PM
We have been having problems with two of our rabbits with sticky bums who are currently fed on Burgess Excell and we are going to change to Allen & Page natural pellets.

Obviously the change will be done very gradual over the next couple of months.

This problem does seem very common amongst both pet owners and breeders alike.