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An idea, inspired by what this forum has set out to achive

Mr T

Warren Scout
I had an idea today while traveling back from a business meeting, I stopped at a pet store to buy some cat litter, while in the store I decided as a normal Jo public to ask a simple question about Rabbits and Guinea pigs, here is what happened.
I requested some info on Rabbits and Guinea pigs as I was considering buying some for my children.
I was told I should buy a Rabbit and a Guinea pig to live together as Rabbits don’t socialize well together, and I obviously don’t want to be breeding Guinea pigs and they are unable to guarantee the sex of any animal I was also assured that there dietary needs are the same..

I could, maybe should have at this point corrected them on there poor knowledge, but I think confronting these people in this situation rarely has the desired affect.

So I pondered the situation and came up with this:-

Why not have a self governing board of breeders and rescue centers who can supply the correct information to pet stores, new breeders and new rescue centers, as most of the problems we have are not the animals, or where they are bought but more the 1st point of contact information given to the new owners. Money should not be the driving force while selling an animal.

Most of you who already run a rescue or a breeding center are basically running a business, all we need to do is certify that while you are doing this, you are doing it with the correct intentions and with the animals’ welfare at heart. I would like to think that most of you are already doing this. But there are masses of breeders, rescue centers and shops that are not. If we could start this venture with a small and narrow view of one species, namely Rabbits, we could over time invite other animal lovers and there interests to do the same, giving overall a much better solution to the pet trade.
What we could aspire to do is…

Certify pet shops that they are selling their rabbits with our backing, al the rabbits they sell are bred by breeders that we also certify, Rescue centers breeders and shops are scrutinized by the group and this would include the group members as well. And then publicize our existence and that these recognized outlets are really the best place to buy your new pet.
This would ultimately reduce the number of animals in rescue, with only the odd animal requiring a rescue center.
The better breeders and shops would have no real implications, the bad shops and breeders would still exist for a while, but eventually they would die out as the public will only buy from recommended stores and breeders.
If this was to work, then why not use the same organization to cover other species, with a different board for each animal type.

These where my thoughts… What now, well, we would need to discuss, may be in this forum what our ideals are, this needs to be both breeders and rescue centers, and really shops as well. We then need to arrange a board which should have an equal number of representatives from each area possibly each rep being voted or suggested by the others in that group. This I feel is the most important part, as if this is to work we need an even playing field for all. The next stages are really time consuming more than any thing with meetings of this board to discuss and forward the whole thing.

You will notice, I have not named this as I have no idea what we could call it, as if we want to expand then we must use a name which will umbrella the whole of the animal trade. I have also not suggested who should head this, as I have no idea who would be best to do this. I would suggested this be a project started fresh by a group that is totally removed from the RSPCA as numerous people have already voiced there concerns over some of the RSPCA’s ideals.
I do how ever feel that it should, if it comes into fruition be a registered charity with fundraising for its self to cover administration costs, and if it proves to be a suitable solution, then may be we should request our input into the animal rights bill and attempt government backing.


Sorry its so long, but I felt a full explination of my thoughts may save hundreds of questions I am not going to try and answer, the whole idea is you question each other and find that level ground where we can meet and solve a big problem. I can understand some of you have your "ideas" but unless we sway a little and give a little we will never have an end to this.
 
Mr T, I think you have some brilliant ideas, and this is ground breaking to say the least :D


I am sure with all our differing experiences and specialist areas, we could make a huge difference.
I wonder what Tamsin thinks?.I am sure RR would have a big part to play in this, so, calling Tamsin?? :D :lol:
 
Adele said:
I wonder what Tamsin thinks?.

She thinks she's never going to get an essay done at this rate if people keep coming up with more interesting ideas :D

I agree that information at the purchase point is very important. A rehoming survey found that "60% felt that the information given at time of purchase was poor or non-existent. Only 16% felt the information was good, the remaining 24% deciding it was adequate"

When you can walk into many petshops and not just not be given information but be given the wrong information its not surprising many later get into difficulty.

I think the idea but my worry is that implementing a scheme to certify petshops etc. may be a logistical/financial nightmare though :( They would need a visit carrired out by a knowledgeable person and presumably to be repeated at regular intervals.

There are other organisations which we could work with to encourage something similar though which may have the name & funds to make something work....

Have you heard about the RWA outreach officers? These are RWA volunteers which take the RWA information into petshops etc. in their local area. Although this doesn't cerify the petshop is good it could make a big difference. This is still a very new scheme though so its yet to see how its working.

The Pet Care Trust sets a charter for its members, perhaps we could work with them to improve their rabbit areas.

The BRC is the body for breeders and although membership isn't a guarentee of quality if petshops used members rather than mass farmers that could well improve things.

Tam

Ps. The last of the information to go in the petshop packs we're sending out arrived today. I just have to put all the printable stuff online and then these can start being sent out.
 
Tamsin said:
Adele said:
I wonder what Tamsin thinks?.

She thinks she's never going to get an essay done at this rate if people keep coming up with more interesting ideas :D(Quote Tamsin)

Oh Poor Tamsin :? do you want me to write your essay for you, and you can pop over to keep the naughty bunnies in order instead :p :lol: :lol:

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Ps. The last of the information to go in the petshop packs we're sending out arrived today. I just have to put all the printable stuff online and then these can start being sent out.
(quote Tamsin)

I think that starting in smaller ways and working up to bigger things is still the best way ...I think Mr. Ts idea is smashing, but to put into actual practice would be extremely difficult to put it mildly.
We are all cogs in a larger wheel, and if we each do our own thing to help animal Welfare I think we can still have a huge impact.
From small acorns do big oak trees grow, and I feel that new ideas are more readily accepted and absorbed if built upon gradually,
The pet shop packs are a good example, as they are directly reaching those people when they first buy a pet, so it is setting things off on the right foot to begin with. :D
 
To be honest, it was just a thought, I relise the overall concept would be a huge undertaking, and as you have also said from small acorns ect...

So all I was doing really was airing my thoughts in order to start a possible move towards an end.
The re homing packs for the pet shops is superb, we hand out a pack with every animal, and so do some of our local animal selling counterparts (garden centers)("spits") so yes that is a perfect step in the right direction, but we should not be funding and supplying these packs, maybe the inital information, but surley the profit these people make should pay for there information packs?

Thats just me having a rant tho, usualy I just read and ingest what others have to say.
But today I felt my thoughts should be aired as if it only plants that one seed in the right persons mind, then it was worth the effort.
 
Were you stuck on the motorway Shaun? Alot of thinking was going on on your way home!!
Your ideas are great, but as Adele and Tamsin have said, the actual work and logistics involved would be phenominal. When this forum first started and I looked into it's concepts, I raised an idea to liaise with the publishers of the little information books that can be bought in most pet shops - these books are what many people buy when first buying or thinking of buying a pet (I did) but they contain incorrect and confusing information which is such a shame as many prospective pet owners with good intentions end up making terrible mistakes purely through receiving incorrect knowledge. I realise that this would not help those people that just walk into a pet shop and buy on a whim (unless pet shops could be persuaded to have a deposit and return later policy) and an information pack would be an idea.
 
Re: An idea, inspired by what this forum has set out to achi

Mr T said:
Why not have a self governing board of breeders and rescue centers who can supply the correct information to pet stores, new breeders and new rescue centers, as most of the problems we have are not the animals, or where they are bought but more the 1st point of contact information given to the new owners. Money should not be the driving force while selling an animal..

I think that that post (the whole post) is very admirable.

I do not make that comment lightly.

I think it really is an idea that should be advanced.

I know that I am always the one that puts the "downer" or ""dampener" on things but I do care about buns and this I have got to respond to despite requests to "go away"


I selected the quote above to bring to attention that rabbit breeders do already have a board that governs their activities.

It might be prudent for you to actually campaign for a compatible standard and accountability amongst the rabbit Rehome community as a start to forming this bond. Perhaps then it could be extended to the rabbit rescues as well!.

Campaigning for a credible board that regulates you would be more appropriate before you attempt to forge links with groups that already self regulate.

Bob
 
please don,t go!!!

Ooooohhhhhh bob....please don,t go away. I love your posts there so funny (well you make me laugh) you say what you think and I like that even if you know it will make you unpopular,and it usually does...so.pleeeeeeeesssseee stay love from shan & the furry people.
 
I agree with you rabshan - Bob makes me laugh too. Worrying as it is, I also find myself agreeing with him most of the time too!!
 
Sorry to bring this up but this post niggles at me because it is such an excellent suggestion by Mr T.

Having been given advice from Caz who mention the licensing authorities, I have been perusing some of their websites. I was wondering if the Pet trade licensing board would be a good start with mr t's idea.

If the pet licensing authorities worked in conjunction with the rescues and the board that governs breeders would this be a way forward in putting into place mr t's suggestions.

The licensing board could also have a list of breeders of whom to use which would run along side the education, and rescue suggestions, and the welfare of the rabbits. These authorities could also help with changing the animal welfare bill with the help of education and suggestions from rescues, breeders and a like.

Being checked upon by the licensing board would hopefully make the petshop adhere to their rules in order to keep their license.

I think that Mr T has a really good idea here that we should all keep trying to solve in order to make things better for animal welfare :D It may start off small but it has to start somewhere for it to grow and be heard :D

Do I make any sense or am I talking rubbish :?:
 
I think there are many bunny lovers such as ourslves who would be more than happy to contribute and help in scheme such as this. MrT, maybe as a result of your visit write to the petshop manager sending some information for their staff about what they got wrong. Polite letter with how concerned you were as a customer etc or write to a local newspaper highlighting the problem.

The biggest reason i think that people do buy buns from petshops is that they arent aware about the problem of too many buns and dont know where their local rescue is. Not all people admittedly.

I have printed a poster from this site and pay to have it in my petshop window, they let me cos they dont sell animals.
 
mr t 's idea

As mentioned in part already the Rabbit Welfare Fund are trying to get together with Pets at Home (i know they're not the greatest) as they are a big name in this country that everyone knows and has had discussions with them already about advising potential rabbit owners regarding care, hutch sizes, feeding,exercise, and companionship,castration. One of their outreach officers held a day like this at one of their shops last year and it went well. P @ H are looking into the idea of making it obligatory.I have been to all my local pet stores, and local vets and handed out the leaflets from the R.W.A on such matters and the British Rabbit Council has been contacted by the R.W.A regarding rabbit welfare. The only thing is people have differing views on rabbits in that ones bred for showing, or the meat industry or experimenting have at the moment got different rights depending on which catagory they fall into. Unfortunately PET rabbits don't seem to have any 'rights' at all.
Lynne :x
 
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