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loobers25
24-05-2018, 07:37 AM
Please RU may you spare Toby some vibes today. I am starting the bonding at 8.00am this morning. I am so worried as I hope this doesn't bring on a episode. I have the all clear from JC and is on stand by.

Thank you everyone for all your support over the years. Claws crossed I have a trio or at least a pair!

Eeeek! !

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Zoobec
24-05-2018, 07:42 AM
Sending lots of vibes for an easy bond, Iím thinking of you and hoping it goes well xx

Omi
24-05-2018, 08:03 AM
Thinking of you all this morning. I really hope that early signs are good and all rabbits are behaving as they should.

Update us when you are able :)

Scrappy's Little Helper
24-05-2018, 08:13 AM
Millions of vibes being sent for a smooth and easy bond. xx

Come on bunnies, please play nicely!


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joey&boo
24-05-2018, 08:15 AM
:wave: loads of luck, we are here if you need us xx

loobers25
24-05-2018, 08:47 AM
Toby and Dennis had a big fight. Dennis lost half his hair do https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180524/c4971e7a82b6043c45869bad17d42a2c.jpg

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joey&boo
24-05-2018, 08:51 AM
boys! Was it scary? Just fur & no blood loss? Are you keeping at it? (answering questions is voluntary of course) x

Leannean27
24-05-2018, 09:13 AM
Oh dear, come on buns you've not even given it an hour!

Sending lots and lots of trio vibes x :love: - behave!

loobers25
24-05-2018, 09:15 AM
Tobys just being horrid to everyone. Maple just submits to everyone and Toby is bunny boxing

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joey&boo
24-05-2018, 09:23 AM
Oh Toby chops. Is he boxing Maple too? Maple is behaving normally by being submissive. I guess this is a good sign Toby is feeling fighting fit in himself. Is it non stop chaos or are there any calm moments?

Omi
24-05-2018, 09:32 AM
Thnking of you. Sending lots of calming vibes.

CometLucy195
24-05-2018, 09:36 AM
Hope things are settling, loads of vibes sending your way x

tlcwrites
24-05-2018, 09:47 AM
The early hours can be amongst the most stressful in bonding. Have you had any calm moments interspersed between Toby throwing his weight around?

Sending calming vibes - for all of you! xxx

tonibun
24-05-2018, 10:47 AM
Lots of bonding vibes coming your way. xx

loobers25
24-05-2018, 11:45 AM
Not love at first sight, but not pure hatered. This will require some work!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180524/9ff9c262cc6a49c8027b4756dda4a084.jpg

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Zoobec
24-05-2018, 11:50 AM
Fingers crossed for things to stay settled:thumb:

joey&boo
24-05-2018, 11:54 AM
That's a really interesting photo. Maple hunkered down (but doesn't look too stressed), Dennis kind of sitting middle ground, not wanting to rock the boat & Toby, king of the bunny world. I'm a nice king & I will rule you well but at the moment I'm letting you know there is only one king & I is he :lol:

This is an encouraging moment you've captured ...I hope there are many more

joey&boo
24-05-2018, 11:59 AM
Whoops - ignore above, thats how good I am at bunny bonding:lol:. When does the tuck shop open?:?

loobers25
24-05-2018, 12:58 PM
Queue for the tuck shop.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180524/491cf825be246d931667f7b5475ec690.jpg

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loobers25
24-05-2018, 01:01 PM
Dennis grooming his disco flares https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180524/eb41e165eca420c4f665136801355df8.jpg

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Craig 1965
24-05-2018, 01:09 PM
Sending you loads of bonding vibes. They are 3 adorable buns and there seems to be some periods of calm between the melee. I know how stressful this all is and believe me, you have the patience of a saint. I'm following this rather key and pray it all works out positively for you and your buns.

loobers25
24-05-2018, 01:12 PM
I think it's going well?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180524/e42f35f65b62c8a5e6005acc204a3405.jpg

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joey&boo
24-05-2018, 01:18 PM
:love: it does look like its going well. That you feel its going well is the best indicator as you are there & the best judge. Who is king / queen at the mo? Or all behaving in anticipation of tuck shop noms?

I'm proud of you Loobers, you're so brave

loobers25
24-05-2018, 01:25 PM
Sending you loads of bonding vibes. They are 3 adorable buns and there seems to be some periods of calm between the melee. I know how stressful this all is and believe me, you have the patience of a saint. I'm following this rather key and pray it all works out positively for you and your buns.Thank you Craig I really hope it can work just like your Hillian

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Omi
24-05-2018, 01:26 PM
Things are looking good in your pics :D

Zoobec
24-05-2018, 01:41 PM
It’s looking good:love:

loobers25
24-05-2018, 01:53 PM
:love: it does look like its going well. That you feel its going well is the best indicator as you are there & the best judge. Who is king / queen at the mo? Or all behaving in anticipation of tuck shop noms?

I'm proud of you Loobers, you're so braveQueen syrup sponge cake is at the top. The boys seem to be bonding in their fear of Maple. Oh how the tables keep turning!

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tlcwrites
24-05-2018, 02:08 PM
Things can change fast during the process of bonding! Meadow getting all sassy once moved outside was what upset the boat in the bonding 9. The 5 is good now though.

The pictures look good to me, none of the body language looks overly stressed. Hopefully the lads submit to Queen Maple and they'll settle nicely. :love:

loobers25
24-05-2018, 02:22 PM
Breaking news!! I never saw this coming today!

Dennis has been grooming Toby now for around 15 minutes!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180524/8616b1096159e4c9761a92a84867e91d.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180524/4436380b7dd91b5bb86e7624ebdff439.jpg

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Zoobec
24-05-2018, 02:25 PM
Breaking news!! I never saw this coming today!

Dennis has been grooming Toby now for around 15 minutes!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180524/8616b1096159e4c9761a92a84867e91d.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180524/4436380b7dd91b5bb86e7624ebdff439.jpg

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That is so lovely:love:

Omi
24-05-2018, 02:36 PM
Excellent :D Good boys :thumb:

joey&boo
24-05-2018, 02:59 PM
so sweet :love: Really good boys. What does Maple say?

Craig 1965
24-05-2018, 02:59 PM
Yeay- this is just a wonderful piece of news and great photos. Sometimes they just take you by complete surprise and all you can do is pick your jaw up off the floor, wipe the year from your eyes and keep blinking. That's what I did! Well done you- your such a star.

Scrappy's Little Helper
24-05-2018, 03:19 PM
Oh well done boys! That just made my heart soar [emoji3]


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loobers25
24-05-2018, 03:25 PM
so sweet :love: Really good boys. What does Maple say?Maple says

"Grrr."

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Scrappy's Little Helper
24-05-2018, 03:58 PM
Maple says

"Grrr."

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Oh dear. I think the boys forgot to ask for Her Majesty's permission before embarking on their bromance!


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joey&boo
24-05-2018, 05:32 PM
Toby is in love & so is Dennis. C'mon Maple - time to turn on the charm so you can join in on the lovin

What are they up to now? Had a drink yet?

loobers25
24-05-2018, 06:16 PM
Toby is in love & so is Dennis. C'mon Maple - time to turn on the charm so you can join in on the lovin

What are they up to now? Had a drink yet?All playing nicely. Maples being nice too. Just had plantain, blackberry, silly bum and strawberry leafs for tea.

I fear this is the calm before the storm as no bun has humped yet?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180524/e4681956b5af3d932bba6a61a1c86c90.jpg

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Rhianna
24-05-2018, 06:25 PM
Wow - I thought you were starting tomorrow. I am working 0900-1200 on Saturday and was planning coming over to help you for the rest of the day but it looks like you won't need me:( I could give you a break though?

Looks like it is all going really well. I am so pleased as I think they will make a wonderful trio and watching bunnies snuggle together is awesome :love:

Omi
24-05-2018, 06:27 PM
This looks so so good :D

There was absolutely no humping during my recent bond of Tethra with Tui. There's been humping since, but none during the early days of bonding.

Dennis seems a lovely addition to your little family :love:

loobers25
24-05-2018, 06:36 PM
This looks so so good :D

There was absolutely no humping during my recent bond of Tethra with Tui. There's been humping since, but none during the early days of bonding.

Dennis seems a lovely addition to your little family :love:Omi that's so reassuring. I'm on tender hooks waiting for someone to dare to bonk and break into a fight!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180524/142a26bf86b5a361e1486813409a1430.jpg

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loobers25
24-05-2018, 06:41 PM
Nomshttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180524/03f5e27a15bb0ccfd5e77bf099f53aae.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180524/045179161b4237f7feefe462451e1895.jpg

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joey&boo
24-05-2018, 06:47 PM
they've come so far in such a short time :love:

loobers25
24-05-2018, 06:53 PM
Wow - I thought you were starting tomorrow. I am working 0900-1200 on Saturday and was planning coming over to help you for the rest of the day but it looks like you won't need me:( I could give you a break though?

Looks like it is all going really well. I am so pleased as I think they will make a wonderful trio and watching bunnies snuggle together is awesome :love:It's still fine to come over Karen xx

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loobers25
24-05-2018, 06:56 PM
What is typical behaviour during the first day of bonding a trio? Is there fights likely still yet to come?

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tonibun
24-05-2018, 07:01 PM
Normally fights start at the beginning but when they have been together this long it is doubtful that there will be any fall-outs. Perhaps you have 3 low-aggressive bunnies.. It makes bonding much easier. :thumb: xx

Rhianna
24-05-2018, 07:26 PM
It's still fine to come over Karen xx

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I will then:) I was looking forward to seeing you all again. Your trio looks really good. I've always found they fight quite early on in the bonding if they are going to. Grooming is a really good sign as is sharing noms. They have lived in close proximity for some time so maybe that has helped the process go more smoothly. Are you going to sleep downstairs with them?

Craig 1965
24-05-2018, 07:36 PM
I must say these are posh bunnies - they've got their own washing machine!
But you have done brilliant - the photos are showing alot of signs of promise. I am sending vibes for a quiet night and hope they all wake up friends.

JuliaW
24-05-2018, 07:41 PM
Looking so good so far. There was no humping bonding my two so maybe it doesn't always happen. Love what you've done with your floor -the "stable "look. Very bunny friendly[emoji1]

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joey&boo
24-05-2018, 07:44 PM
What is typical behaviour during the first day of bonding a trio? Is there fights likely still yet to come?

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I don't think there is a typical. Its very pleasing how their bonding journey is progressing. As its very early days (hours) I'd keep a very close eye on them but I think you can relax . They seemed to have ironed out their differences so far. Has Queenie Maple requested grooming?

loobers25
24-05-2018, 08:07 PM
I don't think there is a typical. Its very pleasing how their bonding journey is progressing. As its very early days (hours) I'd keep a very close eye on them but I think you can relax . They seemed to have ironed out their differences so far. Has Queenie Maple requested grooming?She's getting a hair wash as we speak!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180524/10197fc80c997181d4e4645b5145a7e0.jpg

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loobers25
24-05-2018, 08:10 PM
I will then:) I was looking forward to seeing you all again. Your trio looks really good. I've always found they fight quite early on in the bonding if they are going to. Grooming is a really good sign as is sharing noms. They have lived in close proximity for some time so maybe that has helped the process go more smoothly. Are you going to sleep downstairs with them?Ok Karen we will see you Saturday! Yes I am sleeping in the kitchen tonight :D

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loobers25
24-05-2018, 08:15 PM
Oh Dennis, Toby and maple have such wet heads [emoji28]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180524/cd52e3f8fc116f42a8d9efe4d2a84ff7.jpg

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loobers25
24-05-2018, 08:26 PM
My husband says he's really proud of me bonding the bunnies. Buts it's all them! I've literally just sat here with chest pains!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180524/f1c60b434a954fbb9534e2c988000be2.jpg

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joey&boo
24-05-2018, 08:34 PM
:love how gorgeous are they. Dennis is such a cutie. Have Maple & Toby kissed yet?

joey&boo
24-05-2018, 08:36 PM
just sitting is an achievement in itself in bonding, putting up with chest pains even more impressive. I take my hat off to everybun including you

loobers25
24-05-2018, 08:41 PM
:love how gorgeous are they. Dennis is such a cutie. Have Maple & Toby kissed yet?Yep Toby just groomed Maple. Maple has not kissed anyone yet!

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Zoobec
24-05-2018, 08:55 PM
My husband says he's really proud of me bonding the bunnies. Buts it's all them! I've literally just sat here with chest pains!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180524/f1c60b434a954fbb9534e2c988000be2.jpg

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You should be really proud of yourself. I know how worried you were about it and youíve faced your fear and done it:thumb:

Scrappy's Little Helper
24-05-2018, 08:55 PM
I agree with your hubby, you've done a fantastic job. [emoji3]It's not easy sitting there and holding your nerve, especially in the fraught first few hours.


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Omi
24-05-2018, 09:00 PM
I agree with others, you've done a fantastic job :D They all look very relaxed with each other. Dennis looks so pleased with himself :love:

tulsi
24-05-2018, 09:52 PM
This is wonderful. Well done to you and to them. I am loving the photos!

Zoobec
25-05-2018, 07:17 AM
I hope everything has continued to go well overnight, and that you managed to get some sleep :thumb:

Omi
25-05-2018, 07:20 AM
I hope everything has continued to go well overnight, and that you managed to get some sleep :thumb:

Me too :)

joey&boo
25-05-2018, 08:40 AM
Me three. Hope you got some sleep - & more photos ;)

loobers25
25-05-2018, 08:42 AM
Good morning everyone bun!

I had a lovely sleep next to the bunnies - no scuffles at all. Every time I checked they was either grazing or i saw combinations of heaped bunnies

Lots of DOBS from toby which is really important to me as it shows hes very relaxed

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Zoobec
25-05-2018, 08:44 AM
So pleased that you’ve had a good night :thumb: lovely photos :love:

joey&boo
25-05-2018, 08:47 AM
Loobers - you have achieved you're life dream & it only took you a day to do it. I'm so impressed with everybun

loobers25
25-05-2018, 08:47 AM
So pleased that youíve had a good night :thumb: lovely photos :love:I could cry with happiness for Toby, I just hope it only gets better

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Omi
25-05-2018, 08:58 AM
I think we're all participating in the happiness :love: Excellent news :D

Rhianna
25-05-2018, 09:05 AM
That's awesome. I am soooo pleased. They look really happy together.

tonibun
25-05-2018, 09:20 AM
This is wonderful news. You deserve a break! xx

loobers25
25-05-2018, 09:29 AM
Thank you, really thanks to everyone who comments and cares about Toby. I really appreciate your support

So what's the next steps going forward? Obviously they have the big bedroom to move into. When do they move in there? If this continues to go well I was thinking Thursday evening? Is that too soon?

Also when they do move in there, should I still keep the space small? I have to admit I have been letting them play in the kitchen to stretch there legs and there has been no agression. But then that's not their "home"

Should I wipe maples enclosure with white vinegar and just do the same what I have done in the utility room? Just a floor of cheap meadow hay and water bowl, no possessions to fight for?



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loobers25
25-05-2018, 09:36 AM
I also have MPH being delivered any day soon so that's going nice and neutral

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loobers25
25-05-2018, 09:39 AM
Half-a-hairdo Dennis https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180525/5bad320743ab88db86d6b3c94706d0f9.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180525/569a0ec9dd00aab3adf75ea14b2dcf0b.jpg

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joey&boo
25-05-2018, 09:41 AM
Loobers you've done so well I feel like you are the bonding guru & we should all be asking you questions

The aim is to move them when they are all loved up (as they seem to be) so they will be happy to share space . I don't think rabbits are fooled to easily by vinegar/ deep cleaning - mine werent anyway. It makes sense to add possessions after you know they are happy sharing their new old space. I'd prob move them before Thursday but I'm impatient.

Omi
25-05-2018, 09:51 AM
Thank you, really thanks to everyone who comments and cares about Toby. I really appreciate your support

So what's the next steps going forward? Obviously they have the big bedroom to move into. When do they move in there? If this continues to go well I was thinking Thursday evening? Is that too soon?

Also when they do move in there, should I still keep the space small? I have to admit I have been letting them play in the kitchen to stretch there legs and there has been no agression. But then that's not their "home"

Should I wipe maples enclosure with white vinegar and just do the same what I have done in the utility room? Just a floor of cheap meadow hay and water bowl, no possessions to fight for?



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I think you need to play this by ear, depending on your observation of their behaviour towards each other and essentially your confidence in their relationship.

Those who follow the "textbook", will tell you that they have to be in the small space for a while and that should then be gradually increased. I was fairly happy after a few hours of bonding Tui and Tethra. He was still nipping her when he could, but in some ways she seemed to be viewing this as a game and always managed to hop away. So after around 10 hours I opened up the rest of the run accommodation and also the shed. These areas were previously Tethra's and none had been vinegared. There was no change in their behaviour. Don't forget also that, if there are problems, you can always go back to where they were for a while longer.

I think the fact they have played in the kitchen with no detrimental effect is good. What I would suggest is that you do it at a time when you can watch them carefully for a while afterwards. Thursday to me seems ample time based on what I can judge from here :)

tonibun
25-05-2018, 11:50 AM
I agree with J&B and Omi. I would be surprised if they started falling out now.

Leannean27
25-05-2018, 12:36 PM
They look so happy together, love Dennis, sounds like he's really brought all 3 together with his persistent hair washes. Maybe he was a hair dresser in a previous life :?....

TheThreeB's
25-05-2018, 03:37 PM
I don't know how I missed this, but I'm pleased it's going well :D x

loobers25
25-05-2018, 06:09 PM
Today's progress. Do you think I can relax a little tonight? I need a stiff drink!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180525/a82289e92f0ae6062cac52e9af1117e0.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180525/d18c5a832cc50d72ced9282539e05018.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180525/500df1e5ee784e55a1cfe660314489a9.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180525/e484d4927e0f7c0e6cfd1ceca34c9c57.jpg

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tulsi
25-05-2018, 06:25 PM
Aww they all look relaxed together. This is brilliant.

Cant wait to see them all moved in and to see the mph stuff.

Craig 1965
25-05-2018, 06:36 PM
You're kidding me, right??? They're sploofed up together, looking like life long friends and you're having a stiff drink? You deserve a drink because you held your nerve, you persevered and you formed a friendship that might have looked questionable 48 hours ago. You've given your rabbits the foundation to forge a beautiful long lasting friendship and yes, you deserve that drink and a huge pat on the back. They look very well cosy and it is so heartwarming to see. More updates please....:D

loobers25
25-05-2018, 06:51 PM
You're kidding me, right??? They're sploofed up together, looking like life long friends and you're having a stiff drink? You deserve a drink because you held your nerve, you persevered and you formed a friendship that might have looked questionable 48 hours ago. You've given your rabbits the foundation to forge a beautiful long lasting friendship and yes, you deserve that drink and a huge pat on the back. They look very well cosy and it is so heartwarming to see. More updates please....:DThank you Craig! I just need my Maple to snuggle up and I will be a happy bunny. All three at the same time snuggling. I'm absolutely knackered but it goes to show....If this is successful, then I, one of the most anxious on here with Tobys heart condition/stasis prone can do it - then any bun can do it!

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loobers25
25-05-2018, 06:52 PM
Aww they all look relaxed together. This is brilliant.

Cant wait to see them all moved in and to see the mph stuff.Thank you Tulsi i hope this is the real deal!

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tulsi
25-05-2018, 07:49 PM
Sploofed!!!!

Omi
25-05-2018, 08:14 PM
Well I don't know about a stiff drink, but I think you deserve a large celebratory one :love:

Super little trio :love:

Rhianna
25-05-2018, 08:21 PM
Can't wait to see them in the fur :love:

loobers25
25-05-2018, 08:42 PM
This evening https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180525/9bdfb5e1ad466296970647ae997f6c97.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180525/0483d9811aac4a70547f116ed7e8b527.jpg

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kattymieoww
25-05-2018, 09:20 PM
Looking good.x

Zoobec
25-05-2018, 09:20 PM
Such a lovely trio :love:

Scrappy's Little Helper
25-05-2018, 10:40 PM
Aww they definitely look relaxed and happy to be in each other's company. I can't wait to see them in their luxury new set up!


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loobers25
26-05-2018, 05:28 AM
Bad news :, (

Toby has started humping everyone all night. Maple and Dennis have been really good and just letting him do it. However five o clock this morning Toby and Maple had a fight. I watched hoping it was just a scuffle but ended up a side ways lock on. Dennis came a cropper in the middle of it as he was minding his own business. I thought I would leave Maple and see if it settled. Toby then came over, started humping and an even bigger lock on fight - lots of blood from maples ear as it's been scratched all over and bleeding a lot.
Dennis is snuggling with Maple grooming her bad ear and being very sweet to her. Toby is sulking in the corner. I have given Maple some metacam, I know it says to separate once blood has been drawn but how shall I do it? Do I keep Dennis and Maple together? And keep Toby caged near by? I really don't know, I'm going back to work Tuesday and I'm really not happy at all to leave them :, ( :,(

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Omi
26-05-2018, 06:21 AM
Bad news :, (

Toby has started humping everyone all night. Maple and Dennis have been really good and just letting him do it. However five o clock this morning Toby and Maple had a fight. I watched hoping it was just a scuffle but ended up a side ways lock on. Dennis came a cropper in the middle of it as he was minding his own business. I thought I would leave Maple and see if it settled. Toby then came over, started humping and an even bigger lock on fight - lots of blood from maples ear as it's been scratched all over and bleeding a lot.
Dennis is snuggling with Maple grooming her bad ear and being very sweet to her. Toby is sulking in the corner. I have given Maple some metacam, I know it says to separate once blood has been drawn but how shall I do it? Do I keep Dennis and Maple together? And keep Toby caged near by? I really don't know, I'm going back to work Tuesday and I'm really not happy at all to leave them :, ( :,(

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Well this news is a big surprise to me :( Do you know how it started? How are they now?

My instinct would say that if you still think there's a chance the 3 will bond, and considering the behaviour up to now, I would not split them up atm. I think the next few hours would determine that for me. Obviously you will need to watch them very closely and it will be stressful. Obviously also keep an eye on Maple's ear. Why do they always go for ears :(

tonibun
26-05-2018, 06:42 AM
I am sorry to hear this. I agree with Omi and hope Maple's ear will be ok. If you separate now, you will only have to go through this again later on, or keep Toby separate. I personally separate if a bad fight occurs, but others would persevere.

Zoobec
26-05-2018, 08:44 AM
I’m so sorry :cry: I think I would go with your gut instinct as to how to proceed.

If Dennis and Maple seem happy together at least you have the potential of a great pair. When I was bonding 2 pairs into a quad I had a period where I seemed to have a trio and a single and even though they didn’t fight it was difficult enough emotionally but luckily they bonded.

If things don’t work out for a trio do you have the option of finding a suitable friend for Toby?

joey&boo
26-05-2018, 09:11 AM
:( I'm gutted for you. I know Toby being bonded was probably the most important bit for you. I found Joeys relentless humping really hard to deal with though luckily it didn't cause any fights. If its calm now I'd be tempted to persevere but I appreciate its a difficult call & agree with Omi to follow your instincts xx

MightyMax
26-05-2018, 10:05 AM
Bad news :, (

Toby has started humping everyone all night. Maple and Dennis have been really good and just letting him do it. However five o clock this morning Toby and Maple had a fight. I watched hoping it was just a scuffle but ended up a side ways lock on. Dennis came a cropper in the middle of it as he was minding his own business. I thought I would leave Maple and see if it settled. Toby then came over, started humping and an even bigger lock on fight - lots of blood from maples ear as it's been scratched all over and bleeding a lot.
Dennis is snuggling with Maple grooming her bad ear and being very sweet to her. Toby is sulking in the corner. I have given Maple some metacam, I know it says to separate once blood has been drawn but how shall I do it? Do I keep Dennis and Maple together? And keep Toby caged near by? I really don't know, I'm going back to work Tuesday and I'm really not happy at all to leave them :, ( :,(

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I'm so sorry to read this :(

I feel sad as I know it's Toby who you wanted bonded, but the scenario you currently have is making that difficult.

If you don't feel you can proceed by yourself (and I know you've time limitations) then could you get someone to take them (asap) and put them all back together on (new) neutral territory for a few days? A car ride together would give them all a shake up and then they would be somewhere different ...

loobers25
26-05-2018, 10:43 AM
:(

So I have decided to take them out of the utility room and back upstairs.

I have three spaces now. I'm going to separate then when I go out and rotate each time. When im here thry will all be in the middle area. I might keep dennis in the middle as he's neutral. The reason I decided to go back upstairs is that if Toby starts humping they have the area to escape him. At least this way I can go to work knowing they are all safe.

Dennis has really had enough, all he wants it sit quietly and eat noms. He has a bad cut under his eye too so he's had some metacam. The issue is between Maple and Toby. Maple is fed up of being humped and nips him which turns into a brawl. :( I'm not giving up yet although I am so worried about these injures. I hope they don't develop any abscesses.

I wish I could talk to Toby and tell him this is all for him, so he can have a long stasis free life. I know that If they wasn't here he would stasis. He enjoys company yet has to be the boss. :(

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loobers25
26-05-2018, 10:45 AM
It's not ideal but I have a 120 cage to keep them safe from each other and also maples enclosure - which she will not be going in for a while!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180526/33436edabfb2f511ce7c45bc93fdd0b6.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180526/71cc71cc4c1c7dad83afe29c0664bf62.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180526/3ffd9998a0af5985aab3b32b01b5c9a1.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180526/5049656a7447edc0da10c7d1f1b791cd.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180526/d52080ece5a6add91dbd650641846253.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180526/492f628b7785a49cd67177bbe36a0ec2.jpg

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joey&boo
26-05-2018, 11:01 AM
Good for you. I like that you've found your own way with this. I agree it seems lovely dennis had found his place at the bottom (sensible boy) - Maple & Toby still have some working out to do. As you now I broke a few rules during bonding & it worked out for us - eventually. They seem to be sharing their former space well. Off to work for 12 hours but will be sending lots of bonding vibes xx

loobers25
26-05-2018, 11:35 AM
Good for you. I like that you've found your own way with this. I agree it seems lovely dennis had found his place at the bottom (sensible boy) - Maple & Toby still have some working out to do. As you now I broke a few rules during bonding & it worked out for us - eventually. They seem to be sharing their former space well. Off to work for 12 hours but will be sending lots of bonding vibes xxThank you :( I'm not giving up, even if it takes longer. I think we all need a break for a few hours. I knew it was too good to be true!!

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tonibun
26-05-2018, 11:47 AM
I think like J&B you are doing the right thing, sending loads more bonding vibes.

MightyMax
26-05-2018, 11:56 AM
:(

So I have decided to take them out of the utility room and back upstairs.

I have three spaces now. I'm going to separate then when I go out and rotate each time. When im here thry will all be in the middle area. I might keep dennis in the middle as he's neutral. The reason I decided to go back upstairs is that if Toby starts humping they have the area to escape him. At least this way I can go to work knowing they are all safe.

Dennis has really had enough, all he wants it sit quietly and eat noms. He has a bad cut under his eye too so he's had some metacam. The issue is between Maple and Toby. Maple is fed up of being humped and nips him which turns into a brawl. :( I'm not giving up yet although I am so worried about these injures. I hope they don't develop any abscesses.

I wish I could talk to Toby and tell him this is all for him, so he can have a long stasis free life. I know that If they wasn't here he would stasis. He enjoys company yet has to be the boss. :(

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Good luck Loobers :) No-one is trying harder than you with your bubbas.

You deserve all the luck in the world :love:

Omi
26-05-2018, 12:06 PM
I think like J&B you are doing the right thing, sending loads more bonding vibes.

Me too. I think it's important that they each have space to "get away" if necessary.

In my recent bonding, it worked because Tui could outrun Tethra when he nipped and she wasn't interested in getting angry with him about it.

With Toby and Maple it would seem that Toby needs to find humping her no longer necessary and/or Maple needs to be able to put up with it for a while.

Sending lots of vibes for them and hugs for you.

Scrappy's Little Helper
26-05-2018, 01:35 PM
Aww no, bunnies what are you doing?!?!

I also agree that you're doing the right thing. Hopefully Toby will eventually get the urge to keep humping out of his system. Just a thought, but perhaps Maple felt more cornered in the smaller room and so lashed out. If she knows she has more room to run away she might not react so aggressively.

I still think there's hope for them to bond given how well they'd been getting on so far. Sounds like it's mainly Toby and Maple who need to iron out their issues.

Finally, lots of hugs for you as well. I can imagine it must feel demoralising that they've kicked off after they'd been doing so well [emoji17]


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loobers25
26-05-2018, 07:24 PM
Hi everyone, I'm sorry I have read all your replies. I'm just mentally knackered tonight. I just them so much, especially my handsome little pip squeak Toby. I want him to be happy xx x

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JuliaW
26-05-2018, 07:30 PM
Hey hang in there. You love your buns and are doing every thing humanly possible to keep them well and happy. One step at a time.....stuff interferes with the best laid plans and we just have to bend with it, work a way round it. Keep your chin up x

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Craig 1965
26-05-2018, 09:42 PM
I'm shocked to read this, Loobers. I thought all was looking positive but this came as a shock. I am in awe of the patience you have and with your skill and love and patience, I am sure that things will slowly work out. I have nothing but admiration for you and I'm sending you positive bonding vibes and hope the situation calms down. x

Leannean27
26-05-2018, 10:41 PM
Continuing to send you positive bonding vibes for u and buns I really hope it works out - have you actually told Toby it's all for him to have a stasis free life! U know ur buns and will therefore do right by them

loobers25
27-05-2018, 06:17 AM
Thank you. Craig your posts are always so lovely, thanks for that. I found another cut on Tobys cheek, I noticed it as his face looked a bit lop sided. It's not swollen just where the scab is poking the fur up.

Why can't I have a simple hobby. Like golf? :D

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loobers25
27-05-2018, 06:18 AM
Hey hang in there. You love your buns and are doing every thing humanly possible to keep them well and happy. One step at a time.....stuff interferes with the best laid plans and we just have to bend with it, work a way round it. Keep your chin up x

Sent from my SM-G361F using TapatalkThanks Julia. I will keep at it! But maybe not for a few hours. They are all in the wars!

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loobers25
27-05-2018, 06:27 AM
Continuing to send you positive bonding vibes for u and buns I really hope it works out - have you actually told Toby it's all for him to have a stasis free life! U know ur buns and will therefore do right by themIt's so stressful!!

We camped on a mattress around the house when we moved out of the master bedroom.

We turnt the master bedroom into a huge bunny play zone designed for Millie and Toby.

Millie unexpectedly passed away leaving Toby on his own.

Toby goes into stasis three times and now gets gas from his stomach slowing down. Discovers he has heart condition so he's on life medicine for that.

Need friend for Toby asap. No luck, went to a small rescue got Maple. Had to vaccinate and neuter her myself. Had her cancer removed.

Slow bond with Toby side by side.

Still camping on matress - too scared to do any DIY in our new bedroom incase sets him off. Had to start bunny garden project so I can put them outside for DIY.

Mum doesn't want Dennis anymore. Dennis goes in Tobys old bedroom. Couldn't put Dennis in Tobys room for fear of stressing Toby.

3 months slow bond and Toby and Maple are the ones brawling!!

This has been an unexpected stressful journey


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Omi
27-05-2018, 07:54 AM
Sending lots of hugs. I hope things start to calm down soon.

How did the bond progress between Toby and Millie?

loobers25
27-05-2018, 08:04 AM
Sending lots of hugs. I hope things start to calm down soon.

How did the bond progress between Toby and Millie?I just put them together! They did have a fall out for four months so I kept them separate and I rotated their accommodations (like im doing now). One day I was cleaning them out and they just flopped down together. Then I never separated them and they was back in love

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tlcwrites
27-05-2018, 09:43 AM
I'm so sorry to read that Maple and Toby are having issues. I'm glad, however, you've found a solution that works for you going forward. Blood being drawn is always a concern, but it doesn't necessarily mean the bond can't and won't work in the end. Neo was having issues in the outdoor quintet (and he was a pig to medicate! He doesn't even like metacam!) but he's still there. I know Athena drew blood from him in the early stages, but those 2 are fine together now. With the injuries, it's just a case of monitoring them and keeping them clean, but you do know what you're doing and have their best interests at heart.

It may take longer than you anticipated, but I fully believe you'll get there in time.

joey&boo
27-05-2018, 07:26 PM
Hoping your ok L xx

Omi
27-05-2018, 07:44 PM
Hoping your ok L xx

I have also been thinking of you today.

loobers25
28-05-2018, 06:29 AM
Feel sad but will try again xx : (

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Omi
28-05-2018, 06:38 AM
Feel sad but will try again xx : (

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Sending lots of hugs.

Zoobec
28-05-2018, 06:47 AM
Thinking of you and sending hugs xx

Leannean27
04-06-2018, 11:13 AM
Hey loobers how's the bonding going?

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loobers25
04-06-2018, 07:13 PM
Hey loobers how's the bonding going?

Sent from my HTC One_M8 using TapatalkAww thank you for checking in on them. Well since the last episode of fight club they all had a lot of cuts so I'm just waiting for them to heal before we try again. The last thing we want is somebun tearing a wound open again! We are doing enclosure swaps etc

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