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Beapig
06-04-2018, 12:08 PM
For anyone who read my thread yesterday about the bunny in the tiny hutch...it has a happy ending! Today, Lady Plumpkin came home with me. My boyfriend and I agreed that we don't have the means to provide for another rabbit. So we're just going to be fostering her for a while until we can find her a forever home. The hutch she was living in was abominable so I couldn't just leave her there, for what could be a lifetime. She is already settling into her hotel well and has even had a binky! She also adores my cat, who is actually quite frightened of her because she's so big, haha.

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So I need some advice from everyone on RU. How do I go about responsibly rehoming Plumpkin? Obviously I want to make sure that she's going to a dedicated owner, where she will have a companion and a large amount of space.

Is there anything I should be doing within the next week now that she's in my care? E.g. vaccinations? Any advice very much appreciated. This was a pretty crazy thing to go ahead and do, but I can see already that I have made her life 10 x better. And that makes it so worth it to me!

Omi
06-04-2018, 12:25 PM
She is gorgeous :love: I don't know how you are going to give her up to someone else, but .....

Anyway, first and foremost, yes she will need to be vaccinated, but I would also question whether she is in fact already pregnant again. You will have some idea as to how much you can trust what the owner told you. I would keep her completely separate from your other two and get a vet's opinion.

She is really lovely :love:

tonibun
06-04-2018, 12:27 PM
Aw bless her and you! You can never be 100% sure of where they might go but I hope she will be loved and cared for wherever she goes.

catherine09
06-04-2018, 12:33 PM
She is beautiful. I have a really big pink eyed white lop shaped hole in my life at the minute so will be watching Plumpkins thread with interest.

Beapig
06-04-2018, 12:33 PM
Hi Omi, how would I be able to tell if she's pregnant? She is very heavy, but she's a large rabbit.

I kind of got the full backstory today...the lady had two male rabbits. One of them died (she failed to mention this to me, but her young daughter told me about 3 times), and Plumpkin was given to her for free. Of course, they were just thrown in together and all of a sudden they had babies.

I was extremely firm with the lady and told her that the living conditions we unacceptable. The buck was full of energy and running around the garden, but he is being left out every night to fend for himself. 100% unacceptable. I feel that the lady really took on board what I was saying so I'm hopeful that the two she keeps (the buck and one male baby) get the life they deserve. I told her she should absolutely get the buck neutered and it's irresponsible not to.

Beapig
06-04-2018, 12:34 PM
Catherine09, does this mean you might be interested in giving Plumpkin a forever home? :D

catherine09
06-04-2018, 12:36 PM
I really couldnít say right now - but potentially. She would need to be the right personality to be bonded into an already established pair but all the giants Iíve ever bonded have been so easy - they just seem so laid back.

Beapig
06-04-2018, 12:39 PM
I really couldn’t say right now - but potentially. She would need to be the right personality to be bonded into an already established pair but all the giants I’ve ever bonded have been so easy - they just seem so laid back.

Of course, well it's nice to know that someone might be interested. No matter what happens I can give her the love and care she needs until she finds her forever family :)

newbabybuns
06-04-2018, 12:55 PM
She's lovely, those ears! :love: if only I had the space! Well done for getting her out of where she was. Hopefully the lady will strive to improve conditions for her remaining boys now she's had a nudge about it!

Beapig
06-04-2018, 01:26 PM
She's lovely, those ears! :love: if only I had the space! Well done for getting her out of where she was. Hopefully the lady will strive to improve conditions for her remaining boys now she's had a nudge about it!

She actually just sent me a text thanking me for telling her how to look after them properly. So I'm really hopeful that their lives will improve as a result. It makes it feel even more worth it if two other rabbits will live a better life now!

Omi
06-04-2018, 01:58 PM
[QUOTE=Beapig;7000393]Hi Omi, how would I be able to tell if she's pregnant? She is very heavy, but she's a large rabbit.

Just by doing the maths really, the average gestation period is 31 days, but to be absolutely safe I think it could be up to 35 days. The chances are that if the buck was apart from her when you went, that the owner separated them as soon as she had kindled. In which case Plumpkin won't be pregnant. However, if they were separated the day before you went, then she could be. The owner does sound a bit uninformed, but hopefully she will develop into a better owner now.

orangediva
06-04-2018, 02:11 PM
This has made me feel really tearful, you are a lovely person, thanks so much on behalf of this beautiful lady. :love:


She actually just sent me a text thanking me for telling her how to look after them properly. So I'm really hopeful that their lives will improve as a result. It makes it feel even more worth it if two other rabbits will live a better life now!

I really hope so, itís not just Plumpkin youíve helped. I didnít sleep well last night, got lots going on, but thinking about the poor, loose buck in that garden was going round and round in my head.

TheThreeB's
06-04-2018, 03:53 PM
Good on you :) (and welcome to the crazy gang ;)) x

MightyMax
06-04-2018, 03:58 PM
She actually just sent me a text thanking me for telling her how to look after them properly. So I'm really hopeful that their lives will improve as a result. It makes it feel even more worth it if two other rabbits will live a better life now!


Well done you :D

I hope she follows through on your good advice, and doesn't breed again.

tulsi
06-04-2018, 04:30 PM
Nice one. The lady will need to get both bucks done to help stop them fighting.

newbabybuns
06-04-2018, 05:17 PM
She actually just sent me a text thanking me for telling her how to look after them properly. So I'm really hopeful that their lives will improve as a result. It makes it feel even more worth it if two other rabbits will live a better life now!

That's a great result! Really you've helped 3 rabbits and any more she may potentially get in the future :love:

Craig 1965
06-04-2018, 07:52 PM
Beapig- I just want to say a massive thank you for stepping in and rescuing such a beautiful and delightful rabbit. Words simply don't seem adequate to acknowledge your massive heart and kindness and she is such a beautiful bunny. You can see it clearly in the first photo. I hope that you find room to home her but if you don't, I am sur you will make sure she goes to a home where she is equally loved. Bravo to you Beapig.

CometLucy195
06-04-2018, 10:35 PM
Im so pleased to read this! I was so hoping you’d collect her, she is SO beautiful. Wish I had the room....
I will certainly keep an ear open for anyone looking for a rabbit, a proper rabbit person that is!
You’ve really helped her and the other 2 rabbits, most people really don’t know how to care for a rabbit, they aren’t all bad people, so it’s lovely to hear you’ve helped the woman too.
You’re a lovely kind person xx

willow and squiggles
06-04-2018, 10:58 PM
She is a beautiful bun and she looks really happy in her hotel. You have a very kind heart and I'm sure you will do the very best for her. I hope the lady has taken your good advise on board. I bet pumpkin thinks you are her angel.

joey&boo
06-04-2018, 11:29 PM
How wonderful of you. She is absolutely gorgeous, you better find her a new home quick, she's bound to steal your heart

Beapig
08-04-2018, 12:18 PM
Thank you everyone for your kind words and support! :love:

You'll be pleased to know that Plumpkin is doing well. She's eating plenty, her poops look sound and she seems comfortable and relaxed throughout the day. She does tend to keep to one corner of the hutch, and is very wary of me. I imagine that because she wasn't used to having any room to move, this new bounty of free space is very alien and frightening to her.

She's actually the most alert and happy when my cat pays her a visit. She really likes him and has run out of the hutch to greet him on occassion. She can see Hamilton and Beatrice across the garden and they're all intrigued by each other. There's a good 3 metres between them but it's nice that she can see there are other rabbits around. I hope it brings her some comfort if she's feeling lonely at all <3

orangediva
08-04-2018, 02:53 PM
That’s great to hear :love:

Could she be a future house rabbit perhaps? If she gets on with your kitty?

Beapig
08-04-2018, 07:31 PM
That’s great to hear :love:

Could she be a future house rabbit perhaps? If she gets on with your kitty?

It has admittedly crossed my mind! I've never had house rabbits before though, and my boyfriend and I own quite a lot of antique furniture, so I don't know whether that could be a problem with nibbling wood?

Horace the Bold
08-04-2018, 08:35 PM
It has admittedly crossed my mind! I've never had house rabbits before though, and my boyfriend and I own quite a lot of antique furniture, so I don't know whether that could be a problem with nibbling wood?

It depends on the particulat bun, is she chewing her current hutch? One of our (indoor) buns can be a demon chewer, the other would be fine.

Beapig
08-04-2018, 08:57 PM
It depends on the particulat bun, is she chewing her current hutch? One of our (indoor) buns can be a demon chewer, the other would be fine.

I haven't seen her chewing it, and the tiny hutch she was being kept in originally had no chew marks either, despite her obvious boredom. I think I'll have to read more into house rabbits, because I really wouldn't know what to expect!

daphnephoebe
08-04-2018, 10:57 PM
Well done you for rescuing her.

I hope the rehoming or house bunnying goes well ;)

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orangediva
08-04-2018, 11:53 PM
I haven't seen her chewing it, and the tiny hutch she was being kept in originally had no chew marks either, despite her obvious boredom. I think I'll have to read more into house rabbits, because I really wouldn't know what to expect!

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rabbit-Behaviour-Health-Emilie-Buseth/dp/1780641907/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1523228883&sr=8-1&keywords=Marit+Emilie+buseth&dpID=41cvwL8%252B3oL&preST=_SY291_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_&dpSrc=srch

The above book has some fabulous photos and ideas re house rabbit set ups and protective bunny proofing - don’t know if you’ve seen it before but whenever I pick it up I want house buns. It’s my favourite rabbit book ever.

Whatever you decide will be the right thing, you’ve saved her from a horrible life whatever you do now :)

Beapig
09-04-2018, 07:18 PM
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rabbit-Behaviour-Health-Emilie-Buseth/dp/1780641907/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1523228883&sr=8-1&keywords=Marit+Emilie+buseth&dpID=41cvwL8%252B3oL&preST=_SY291_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_&dpSrc=srch

The above book has some fabulous photos and ideas re house rabbit set ups and protective bunny proofing - donít know if youíve seen it before but whenever I pick it up I want house buns. Itís my favourite rabbit book ever.

Whatever you decide will be the right thing, youíve saved her from a horrible life whatever you do now :)

Thank you orangediva, I may have to invest in that! Haha daphnephoebe, don't let my boyfriend know that it could even be a possibility :lol:

To be honest, I am falling for Plumpkin. It wasn't very hard! She's so quiet, reserved and gentle. I want to show her what it feels to be loved so badly. I'm just not sure what is best for her. Here are the options in my mind...

A. Rehome her with someone who has another bun she could socialise with, someone extremely reliable who has a lot of space for her.

B. Bond her with Hamilton and Beatrice once their bigger setup is complete (probably summertime at the latest). The only thing is, she's only 1 and Ham and Bea are 4 and 5. The age gap would most likely mean she would end up sad and lonely at some point :( I don't think getting another rabbit is really an option though, due to how much the veggies cost every week. If anyone has any great tips for growing your own forage so I don't have to spend so much on spinach, kale and broccoli, I'd be much obliged! My bf and I are both vegan, so we spend a lot on vegetables as it is ;)

C. Make Plumpkin an indoor bunny. I have a cat who I already know she gets on with. She's just as big as him, if not bigger (she's a big bunny and he's a tiny cat) so I'm not too worried about that side of things. My concerns are how/where she would live and if any of the furniture would suffer as a consequence. Also, just because she's indoors and has the company of myself and the cat, would it still be unfair to keep her from having rabbit company?

I want to do the absolute best for her. Any advice is really appreciated :)

Omi
09-04-2018, 08:22 PM
If it were me I would go for B.

A - If you acknowledge that you are already falling for her, you would be upset to let her go, even if you found a good home.

C- I would be nervous about an inside rabbit chewing your furniture. Other rabbit company is also an isue.

B - I don't think the age gap is any issue at all. My bereaved buck is just over 7 and I have recently bonded him with a doe aged 3 months. They both seem very happy with the relationship. Regarding ending up sad and lonely, well that would happen at some point to one of a pair of rabbits who are both the some age.

I have never bought vegetables for my rabbits. I buy herbs for 2 or 3 months during the Winter, but the rest of the year I feed forage and home grown herbs. We also have Kale and Spinach growing in the garden most months of the year. Both are very very easy to grow and low maintenance.

Beapig
09-04-2018, 08:42 PM
If it were me I would go for B.

A - If you acknowledge that you are already falling for her, you would be upset to let her go, even if you found a good home.

C- I would be nervous about an inside rabbit chewing your furniture. Other rabbit company is also an isue.

B - I don't think the age gap is any issue at all. My bereaved buck is just over 7 and I have recently bonded him with a doe aged 3 months. They both seem very happy with the relationship. Regarding ending up sad and lonely, well that would happen at some point to one of a pair of rabbits who are both the some age.

I have never bought vegetables for my rabbits. I buy herbs for 2 or 3 months during the Winter, but the rest of the year I feed forage and home grown herbs. We also have Kale and Spinach growing in the garden most months of the year. Both are very very easy to grow and low maintenance.

Omi, thank you so much for saying all of this...it's what I've been leaning towards and this gives me reassurance. Plupmkin let me give her a really big fuss this evening and properly looked at me for the first time. When I stopped smoothing her head she leant forward to ask for more. It filled my heart up so much :love:

Please can you advise me on any good books or resources for growing from home as a beginner? I'm lapping up Gardener's World (so glad the episodes are going to be an hour from now on!) but I've never grown any of my own veggies before so it would be good to have a guide of when to seed and harvest. I recently purchased the book 'Raised Bed Revolution' and my OH and I are planning on creating a colonial style veg garden with this as our guide.

Also, please could you advise any weeds that I can forage which might be around and about but I haven't noticed? I have a lot of Herb Robert and Dandelions in my garden which is a good start :D

daphnephoebe
09-04-2018, 08:50 PM
I also agree with Omi :)

Growing veg isn't that difficult - I'm currently doing it. Most of the seeds now are directly planted into the ground and all instructions of care are written on the packet :)

You can also grow Strawberry plants, thornless black berries, hedge bindweed, roses :)

Plantin should be starting to grow now, willow will be starting to bud as will hawthorn and apple/pear trees. :)

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Omi
09-04-2018, 08:59 PM
Foraging - If you haven't got Twig's Way's Foraging Book from the RWAF, then I recommend you get it. It's small and light enough to carry outside with you and it covers all the plants that you're likely to need to know. Herb Robert and Dandelions are a good start. You should also be able to find Cleavers, Chickweed and Red Dead-nettle quite easily atm.

Growing Kale - If you've got The Range near to you, buy a packet of Westland Autumn Kale seed. There's about 200 seeds in a packet and it will cost you 49p. Sow the seeds in a tray, cover them lightly and keep them watered. They don't need heat and will germinate outside. Once they've germinated and you can see true leaves, rather than the initial seed leaves, pot them on into 4 inch pots. When they are big enough (about 4-5 inches tall) plant them in the soil about 16-17 inches spacing each way. When you pick them, take leaves from the bottom. If you don't remove the growing point, they will last you for months and months :)

If you decide what veg you want to grow, there will usually be loads of advice online plus You tube videos.

CometLucy195
10-04-2018, 09:55 PM
Hi Beapig, I hope you decided to keep her. Ive bonded a 2 year old nethie with 2 7 year old rexes and it’s fine! Age doesn’t matter. I have just got the foraging book so am reading it and also have an allotment so am trying to learn what weeds/plants are ok to give them. Your set up is good and will be lovely for her to be in. Im just having my newest bun bonded by an external person and all going well so far. It’ll be my second trio. If you find a lovely home forget (ie someone on here), that’ll be good too, so either option is fine and much better for Plumpkin than her previous life. Big hugs to you for rescuing her xx

tulsi
11-04-2018, 09:30 AM
My lot all adore fresh grass if you have anywhere that you can pick some. They also like brambles (thorns and all), willow, apple twigs and roses.

Hope the trio bond well when the time comes!

Beapig
11-04-2018, 03:31 PM
Thank you daphne, omi, comet and tulsi for the really useful information! I've ordered seeds and biodegradable plant pots and am planning on building some raised beds over the next couple of weeks.

I have a Plumpkin update: I took her to the vet today for the first time because she was going to need a check up anyhow, and I've observed that she's been grinding her teeth for no apparent reason. So the bad news is that she's going to need a dental operation. Her teeth are too long due to her inferior living conditions. She also has fur loss on her underside from urine scald.

It makes me so upset and angry that pure ignorance and neglect has brought her to this sad place. I'm just glad that she's in my care now so I can reverse the damage that has been done.

Does anyone have a rough idea of how much this dental is going to cost? I didn't even ask but I know she's going to have to be put under to have it. Poor Plumpy lady :(

joey&boo
11-04-2018, 03:47 PM
Aww, poor baby. As you say, at least finally she has someone looking out for her.

Dental costs vary hugely but I've noticed vets increasingly seem to volunteer an estimate of costs before so I'd ask for this (though expect it to go over, mine often do). My current vets charge £50 for a rabbit GA (£60 with vat), filing her teeth should cost next to nothing (I've never been charged I don't think), if you opt for bloods expect in the region of £50, xrays about £50 then approx £20 for further ones, nursing & drug costs add up to. The least I paid was £60, the most £260

Gosh no wonder I'm feeling the pinch, Boo has had 6 in 6 months :shock:

Omi
11-04-2018, 04:11 PM
Poor Plumpkin :( I would also be angry.

Jack's-Jane
11-04-2018, 04:26 PM
Thank you daphne, omi, comet and tulsi for the really useful information! I've ordered seeds and biodegradable plant pots and am planning on building some raised beds over the next couple of weeks.

I have a Plumpkin update: I took her to the vet today for the first time because she was going to need a check up anyhow, and I've observed that she's been grinding her teeth for no apparent reason. So the bad news is that she's going to need a dental operation. Her teeth are too long due to her inferior living conditions. She also has fur loss on her underside from urine scald.

It makes me so upset and angry that pure ignorance and neglect has brought her to this sad place. I'm just glad that she's in my care now so I can reverse the damage that has been done.

Does anyone have a rough idea of how much this dental is going to cost? I didn't even ask but I know she's going to have to be put under to have it. Poor Plumpy lady :(

It can vary so much depending on the specific fees charged by the Practice and the exact Dental treatment needed. I hope that all will go well for her xx

Beapig
11-04-2018, 05:04 PM
Thank you for the good vibes everyone <3 I did suspect that something was up, because everytime I caught a glance at her out of the window she would be grinding her teeth. Her op is in 2 weeks because she got vaccinated today, so apparently we have to wait a bit until she can go under.

No matter what the fee is, I see it as nothing (even though I'm a freelance artist and don't earn a lot!) in the sense that to be in good health and not in pain SHOULD be a priority for all living creatures, and if that animal is in your care then you should treat them as lovingly as a human child. I don't have children myself and have never had the desire to have kids, but my animals have always been like my children (or like my brothers/sisters growing up) so it does make me incomprehensibly sad and angry to know that Plumpkin is having to go through this because someone else didn't care enough. Someone with a fancy BMW on their drive at that - not someone badly off by any means at all.

It makes me want to do more for rabbits and be an activist about it. Because they're undoubtedly one of the most neglected 'pets' in the UK, from what I have seen and experienced.

daphnephoebe
11-04-2018, 05:10 PM
She's lucky to have come into your care.

Our dentals cost around £300 each time without bloods.... Definitely give them a call and ask for an estimate so you know roughly what you're looking at.

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Beapig
11-04-2018, 05:41 PM
She's lucky to have come into your care.

Our dentals cost around £300 each time without bloods.... Definitely give them a call and ask for an estimate so you know roughly what you're looking at.

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Wowee, £300 is pretty steep! The vet made it clear that it wasn't optional, and if her teeth are causing her pain then the price is irrelevant to me (lucky I have savings haha), I will probably call up anyway just to get an idea.

I'm going to text her previous owner, as I still have her number on my phone, and tell her about what's going on. Because she still has at least 2, if not 4 rabbits in her 'care', and this simply isn't good enough.

I told the whole story to the vet and his response was so casual. I wonder if it's because they see so much neglect, they just become desensitized to it? In fact, he told me he has seen much worse urine scald than Plumpkin had. Makes me so sad :(

MightyMax
11-04-2018, 05:45 PM
Wowee, £300 is pretty steep! The vet made it clear that it wasn't optional, and if her teeth are causing her pain then the price is irrelevant to me (lucky I have savings haha), I will probably call up anyway just to get an idea.

I'm going to text her previous owner, as I still have her number on my phone, and tell her about what's going on. Because she still has at least 2, if not 4 rabbits in her 'care', and this simply isn't good enough.

I told the whole story to the vet and his response was so casual. I wonder if it's because they see so much neglect, they just become desensitized to it? In fact, he told me he has seen much worse urine scald than Plumpkin had. Makes me so sad :(


I have a rabbit specialist who does 'conscious dentals' so I pay only a consult fee of around £35.

However, I have had dental work done on a rabbit with GA from my usual vet and it obviously costs more, without an X-ray (my vet often thinks that they don't contribute anything and doesn't routinely do them).

Good luck with the dental :)

Beapig
14-04-2018, 02:31 PM
I have a rabbit specialist who does 'conscious dentals' so I pay only a consult fee of around £35.

However, I have had dental work done on a rabbit with GA from my usual vet and it obviously costs more, without an X-ray (my vet often thinks that they don't contribute anything and doesn't routinely do them).

Good luck with the dental :)

Thank you for the good vibes, MM and everyone else who has commented <3

I'm actually really worried that Plumpkin is going downhill. She seems lethargic and is eating very little. I gave her a big pile of herb robert and dandelions this morning which she turned her nose up at. She has since had a piece of kale and a small amount of cauliflower leaf.

She tends to stay in the same place in her hutch all day with her eyes closed, and when she does move her joints are really stiff and she hardly goes far. She's always grinding her teeth and just seems blue in general. What's more, her poops seem smaller and black. She won't eat hay or grass, which is so essential to their diet of course.

The vet told me he had seen much worse, but that doesn't give me a lot of comfort.

I'm actually really tempted to call the RSCPA - I sent a long text to the previous owner telling her how unwell she is and that she needs an op, the woman didn't reply. She still has 5 rabbits under her 'care' and now (locked all day in 2ft hutches the last I saw) I'm starting to question whether her 'ignorance' was just a facade for intentional neglect.

It would be pretty obvious that it was me who called if the RSPCA show up at her door.

Any thoughts?

Glingle
14-04-2018, 02:37 PM
I think if you have concerns then you have to act on them. The RSPCA might not take much notice, but at least you'll know that you've done everything in your power to improve the lives of those bunnies. I hope Plumpkin starts to feel a bit better soon x

Omi
14-04-2018, 05:59 PM
Poor Plumpkin. It sounds as though her mouth hurts. If that's all she's eaten today, her poos are black and smaller plus she seems lethargic, I really think she needs to see a vet asap. The symptoms you've described suggest that she is going into Stasis, so she will need some gut meds plus some pain relief. The vet might also suggest that you syringe-feed her.

Sending her lots of vibes.

Jack's-Jane
14-04-2018, 06:16 PM
Poor Plumpkin. It sounds as though her mouth hurts. If that's all she's eaten today, her poos are black and smaller plus she seems lethargic, I really think she needs to see a vet asap. The symptoms you've described suggest that she is going into Stasis, so she will need some gut meds plus some pain relief. The vet might also suggest that you syringe-feed her.

Sending her lots of vibes.

I agree with Omi's advice about contacting the Vet ASAP. Sending lots of vibes for Plumpkin xx

MightyMax
14-04-2018, 06:19 PM
Thank you for the good vibes, MM and everyone else who has commented <3

I'm actually really worried that Plumpkin is going downhill. She seems lethargic and is eating very little. I gave her a big pile of herb robert and dandelions this morning which she turned her nose up at. She has since had a piece of kale and a small amount of cauliflower leaf.

She tends to stay in the same place in her hutch all day with her eyes closed, and when she does move her joints are really stiff and she hardly goes far. She's always grinding her teeth and just seems blue in general. What's more, her poops seem smaller and black. She won't eat hay or grass, which is so essential to their diet of course.

The vet told me he had seen much worse, but that doesn't give me a lot of comfort.

I'm actually really tempted to call the RSCPA - I sent a long text to the previous owner telling her how unwell she is and that she needs an op, the woman didn't reply. She still has 5 rabbits under her 'care' and now (locked all day in 2ft hutches the last I saw) I'm starting to question whether her 'ignorance' was just a facade for intentional neglect.

It would be pretty obvious that it was me who called if the RSPCA show up at her door.

Any thoughts?


So sorry to hear about Plumpkin.

I'm sure you've seen this, but it sounds like she could have the beginnings of stasis?

http://anyflip.com/dvpt/hzvv/basic

http://rabbitwelfare.co.uk/pdfs/ROWinter10p7.pdf

Beapig
14-04-2018, 06:59 PM
Thank you everyone for the advice. I have indeed been concerned that she has stasis.

Here's an overview right now:

I have no idea of what diet she was being fed at her old home. I'm going to guess a poor diet. She hasn't eaten any hay since I brought her home with me about a week ago, but my guess is that she's never been given it and has no idea that she's meant to eat it. My buck Hamilton was a similar story - confined to a hutch day in and day out, with no idea about how to be a bunny :( He only learnt to eat hay when he was bonded with Beatrice, who was given away to me for free but was clearly well looked after and loved her hay from day one.

Plumpkin has perked up since this morning and is now tucking into a big pile of grass with a bit of coriander and kale mixed in. I've mixed some hay in too, to try and give her the idea. I'm monitoring her very closely, and if I have even the slightest fear that she's at risk I will call the vet immediately.

It's hard to judge in many ways, because rabbits aren't vocal in the way that say cats are, but I think she might actually just be quite depressed. For so long she was confined to a space so small that she could hardly move, it doesn't surprise me.

I've been debating moving her setup a bit closer to Ham and Bea - I'm wondering if seeing other rabbits might perk her up. Although maybe it will just stress her out. Hamilton and Beatrice are very aware that she's about 4 metres away and they always act excitedly when they see her moving about.

Craig 1965
14-04-2018, 07:09 PM
I'm also with Omi. But here's my thoughts- if this was a child neglect, would you hold back on reporting it to social services? As difficult as it is, I think you need to make that call to rspca although they may take plumpkin as potential evidence. It does sound like she needs to be checked by a vet and I do hope that you are able to get some resolution. She's a beautiful rabbit and has clearly suffered and deserves the love and care you are clearly giving her. Sending you lots of vibes x

Beapig
14-04-2018, 07:22 PM
I'm also with Omi. But here's my thoughts- if this was a child neglect, would you hold back on reporting it to social services? As difficult as it is, I think you need to make that call to rspca although they may take plumpkin as potential evidence. It does sound like she needs to be checked by a vet and I do hope that you are able to get some resolution. She's a beautiful rabbit and has clearly suffered and deserves the love and care you are clearly giving her. Sending you lots of vibes x

This is very true Craig. I think you're right. I came away from the situation feeling positive and like the owners took my advice on board, but since they didn't reply to my message when I told them Plumpkin has to have an operation, I now feel very cynical and wonder what will happen to the other bunnies.

I'm going to call up the vet for a chat to see if her operation can be moved forward, because I am concerned that she is in discomfort. Poor girl, she deserves so much better :(

MightyMax
15-04-2018, 11:05 AM
This is very true Craig. I think you're right. I came away from the situation feeling positive and like the owners took my advice on board, but since they didn't reply to my message when I told them Plumpkin has to have an operation, I now feel very cynical and wonder what will happen to the other bunnies.

I'm going to call up the vet for a chat to see if her operation can be moved forward, because I am concerned that she is in discomfort. Poor girl, she deserves so much better :(


How are things today?

Zoobec
15-04-2018, 01:34 PM
I hope that you can get her to the vets ASAP. When Frosty needed a dental they did it the next day, only to allow time to get his guts moving properly, and the transformation in him was amazing.

Beapig
16-04-2018, 06:59 PM
Sorry to be getting back to you guys late on this! We took her back to the vet first thing today, and as I suspected, things are much worse than originally made out. The vet we saw last week was not our regular vet - he was younger and didn't seem so clued up on rabbits. I didn't feel too reassured by his assessment of her being 'not in bad health overall'.

Our regular vet today (who is super experienced and amazing) stressed that she is extremely underweight, and when he looked into her mouth he told me that it's terrible terrible. Because she's been fed a rubbish diet and not enough in general, the lack of calcium has actually caused her jaw to permanently disfigure and now her teeth, which are overgrown as it is, are growing wonky and causing her a lot of pain.

So rather than going for her dental on the 25th as the vet last week dictated, she is in first thing tomorrow for an emergency operation. In the meantime she's had pain meds to keep her a little more comfortable.

I'm feeling really angry and upset you guys. How could someone do this to her? She looks like an elderly rabbit but she's just a year old. It makes me so sad/angry at the same time. Her op tomorrow will be £100 and due to the permanent disfigurement, the vet says she'll need her teeth filed regularly throughout her life to stop the same thing from happening again.

To make matters worse, I got home in an emotional fluster (I was almost in tears leaving the vet) and dropped my phone, smashing the screen to smithereens. It's a reasonably new, expensive phone and I rely on it to operate my business. So to say the least, I'm feeling pretty down tonight! Please send good vibes to my girlie <3

MightyMax
16-04-2018, 07:09 PM
Sorry to be getting back to you guys late on this! We took her back to the vet first thing today, and as I suspected, things are much worse than originally made out. The vet we saw last week was not our regular vet - he was younger and didn't seem so clued up on rabbits. I didn't feel too reassured by his assessment of her being 'not in bad health overall'.

Our regular vet today (who is super experienced and amazing) stressed that she is extremely underweight, and when he looked into her mouth he told me that it's terrible terrible. Because she's been fed a rubbish diet and not enough in general, the lack of calcium has actually caused her jaw to permanently disfigure and now her teeth, which are overgrown as it is, are growing wonky and causing her a lot of pain.

So rather than going for her dental on the 25th as the vet last week dictated, she is in first thing tomorrow for an emergency operation. In the meantime she's had pain meds to keep her a little more comfortable.

I'm feeling really angry and upset you guys. How could someone do this to her? She looks like an elderly rabbit but she's just a year old. It makes me so sad/angry at the same time. Her op tomorrow will be £100 and due to the permanent disfigurement, the vet says she'll need her teeth filed regularly throughout her life to stop the same thing from happening again.

To make matters worse, I got home in an emotional fluster (I was almost in tears leaving the vet) and dropped my phone, smashing the screen to smithereens. It's a reasonably new, expensive phone and I rely on it to operate my business. So to say the least, I'm feeling pretty down tonight! Please send good vibes to my girlie <3


What a terribly sad story :(

Loads of vibes for her and hugs for you. You are doing such a good thing, I hope all goes well xx

Zoobec
16-04-2018, 07:19 PM
Poor Plumpkin :cry: I hope after her op she will be feeling much better, sending lots of vibes for her xx

Omi
16-04-2018, 07:21 PM
Poor Plumpkin :( Sending loads of vibes for her op tomorrow. I hope that the pain relief has made her feel more comfortable. Is she eating any better?

Scrappy's Little Helper
16-04-2018, 07:23 PM
I'm so sorry to read how badly poor Plumpkin is suffering [emoji17] I'm glad she's been seen by your usual vet and that she's having the op done tomorrow. Hopefully that will help the poor mite eat more comfortably.

I don't blame you for being angry with her previous owner. This is yet another case of an animal suffering because of ignorance or sheer neglect and it's decent people like you who have to pick up the pieces. Although in all honesty, given the wealth of information available I really don't think ignorance is an acceptable excuse any more.

Lots of vibes for tomorrow xx


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Craig 1965
16-04-2018, 07:28 PM
I share your frustration, anger and emotions regarding the beautiful Plumpkin. On the positive side, it seems your usual vet has found the major cause for your concerns and you at least have a more definitive prognosis. The downside is clearly the proof now that there has been considerable and deliberate emotional and physical harm done to such a harmless and gentle rabbit who is clearly in some discomfort. I guess it's entirely wrong to voice how I truly feel about how wrong all this is but I have little doubt that all of us following this will feel and share how you must feel.
My first and majority thoughts and prayers go to Plumpkin for her op tomorrow and I do hope she pulls through the op and it goes successfully. It's the least she deserves and at least she has a loving supportive home and owner to go back to. I also hope you found the strength to contact the rspca because you now have tangible supportive evidence should they decide to open a case. Please let us know how Plumpkin is tomorrow and sending tons of vibes for her.

Glingle
16-04-2018, 07:52 PM
Sending lots of vibes for Plumpkin and hugs for you x

kattymieoww
16-04-2018, 07:53 PM
Poor girl,sending vibes for her and hugs for you.x

tonibun
16-04-2018, 08:53 PM
Thinking of you and Plumpkin and hope her operation goes well. xx

Leannean27
16-04-2018, 09:13 PM
Oh poor Plumpkin, sounds like you had a really rubbish day. Keep your chin up, give her a little fuss and pat yourself on the back - your doing a great job x

TheThreeB's
16-04-2018, 09:23 PM
Oh dear, I'm so sorry to hear this. All the best for tomorrow xx

joey&boo
16-04-2018, 09:35 PM
:( Lots of vibes for your girls op tomorrow

SarahP
16-04-2018, 09:45 PM
You're doing everything that you can. I'll be thinking of her xxx

willow and squiggles
16-04-2018, 10:10 PM
Thinking of you and plumpkin and tons and tons of vibes went for her up tomorrow. You are an amazing person and I'm really routing for plumpkin to sail through her ok and start enjoying being loved and cared for.

orangediva
16-04-2018, 11:18 PM
Iím so sorry to read this - poor Plumpkin. I really hope your usual rabbit savvy vet can get her through the operation with her teeth in better condition so she can start eating properly. Sheís had an awful life but sheís lucky now that you found her and are giving her a chance.

Iím disgusted with the woman who had her and has the other poor bunnies - ignorance is bad enough but not bothering to do the right thing when someoneís taken the trouble to educate you (and you have a BMW on your drive so lack of money might not be a consideration) is unforgivable.

Whereabouts are you? If I live anywhere near you Iíd be prepared to go and look in her garden and report her to the RSPCA for having a loose rabbit without proper shelter. I could say Iíve seen it over the fence. Iíll happily do it and give them my name if you want me to? Itís easier for me, she doesnít know me.

Jack's-Jane
17-04-2018, 04:40 AM
Sorry to be getting back to you guys late on this! We took her back to the vet first thing today, and as I suspected, things are much worse than originally made out. The vet we saw last week was not our regular vet - he was younger and didn't seem so clued up on rabbits. I didn't feel too reassured by his assessment of her being 'not in bad health overall'.

Our regular vet today (who is super experienced and amazing) stressed that she is extremely underweight, and when he looked into her mouth he told me that it's terrible terrible. Because she's been fed a rubbish diet and not enough in general, the lack of calcium has actually caused her jaw to permanently disfigure and now her teeth, which are overgrown as it is, are growing wonky and causing her a lot of pain.

So rather than going for her dental on the 25th as the vet last week dictated, she is in first thing tomorrow for an emergency operation. In the meantime she's had pain meds to keep her a little more comfortable.

I'm feeling really angry and upset you guys. How could someone do this to her? She looks like an elderly rabbit but she's just a year old. It makes me so sad/angry at the same time. Her op tomorrow will be £100 and due to the permanent disfigurement, the vet says she'll need her teeth filed regularly throughout her life to stop the same thing from happening again.

To make matters worse, I got home in an emotional fluster (I was almost in tears leaving the vet) and dropped my phone, smashing the screen to smithereens. It's a reasonably new, expensive phone and I rely on it to operate my business. So to say the least, I'm feeling pretty down tonight! Please send good vibes to my girlie <3

Poor Plumpkin :cry: Yet another sad tale of how neglect can cause such suffering :cry: I really hope that she can pull through and have the chance of a happy life, despite the fact that she is likely to have ongoing life long problems.

I would ask the Vet for a print out of all of Plumpkin's clinical notes. If you do make a Report to the RSPCA the notes can be submitted as evidence x

Omi
17-04-2018, 07:10 AM
Sending lots of vibes for Plumpkin today.

Rhianna
17-04-2018, 09:05 AM
Wishing Plumpkin (I love the name) lots and lots of vibes for a successful operation today xxx

Ruthyjones89
17-04-2018, 09:11 AM
Topping up the vibes and have everything crossed everything goes okay for her xxx

CometLucy195
17-04-2018, 09:44 AM
More vibes from me for a successful op today. Im sorry you have all this worry with poor Plumpkin. Let us know how she gets on today. Xx

orangediva
17-04-2018, 09:44 AM
Huge vibes for today Plumpkin and Beapig xx

Beapig
17-04-2018, 09:49 AM
Thank you so much everyone. I'm feeling overwhelmed by the support and love you've shown Plumpkin and myself <3 She was dropped off at 9.00am this morning and we should be collecting her some time after 3.00pm. I'm really hoping that the surgery goes well and that she's feeling a lot better once her teeth are sorted. I'm dreaming of the day that she's in great health and living with Ham and Bea in their lovely big setup.

Craig, OrangeDiva, Jane (and anyone else who has mentioned the RSPCA situation) - I definitely think the right thing for me to do is contact them at this point. I texted the previous owner last night, asking if she'd seen my last message (which she had not replied to days before) and telling her the extent of Plumpkin's disfigurement as a result of her neglect.

The response I got was something like 'I'll take better care in the future' - it was halfhearted and unapologetic.

The problem is that I actually live quite close to this person (not that they know this), so I'm admittedly selfishly worried about a potential backlash towards me if I get the RSPCA involved. It's hard for me to know if she has taken my advice on board - for all I know the buck is still living unsheltered in the garden and the babies are still locked up in a tiny hutch.

I asked my vet if he thinks I should get them involved and he said I could try, but that in his experience they probably won't do very much for them :(

What do you guys think?

CometLucy195
17-04-2018, 10:09 AM
I think that a conversation with the RSPCA would be good. They will then tell you whether they will act or not. The babies being shut in a tiny cage would probably not trigger a visit as many people keep rabbits in small cages and as we know, there is no legal minimum size as yet. The male running round the garden may do, but why don’t you just ring them for a discussion? If they say they won’t do anything, at least you know. In that case, perhaps text the woman again and suggest she rehome the bunnies through a rescue. After that, there’s probably not a lot you can do, unless you offer them all homes but that’s a big commitment. You’ve taken on one of her rabbits, and now you’re giving her the care she needs. Xx

Craig 1965
17-04-2018, 10:16 AM
I had to contact rspca a few years ago after witnessing awful rabbit cruelty with my direct neighbour - they were picking bunnies up by ears and carrying round garden and chucking them in inadequate cages. Reduced me to tears and I made the call to the rspca on the spot and they paid a visit the next day. I can't pretend that I wasn't then isolated by the neighbour (she was also abusing her kids and I got social services into that) but I had to make that call because the rabbits can't and I just couldn't sit back knowing there was abuse of rabbits. As hard as it is you just have to do the right thing and know that you are saving more animals from harm.
Sending more vibes for plumpkin and here if you need me x

MightyMax
17-04-2018, 10:39 AM
Topping up the vibes for your darling little girl :love:

Jack's-Jane
17-04-2018, 10:40 AM
Thank you so much everyone. I'm feeling overwhelmed by the support and love you've shown Plumpkin and myself <3 She was dropped off at 9.00am this morning and we should be collecting her some time after 3.00pm. I'm really hoping that the surgery goes well and that she's feeling a lot better once her teeth are sorted. I'm dreaming of the day that she's in great health and living with Ham and Bea in their lovely big setup.

Craig, OrangeDiva, Jane (and anyone else who has mentioned the RSPCA situation) - I definitely think the right thing for me to do is contact them at this point. I texted the previous owner last night, asking if she'd seen my last message (which she had not replied to days before) and telling her the extent of Plumpkin's disfigurement as a result of her neglect.

The response I got was something like 'I'll take better care in the future' - it was halfhearted and unapologetic.

The problem is that I actually live quite close to this person (not that they know this), so I'm admittedly selfishly worried about a potential backlash towards me if I get the RSPCA involved. It's hard for me to know if she has taken my advice on board - for all I know the buck is still living unsheltered in the garden and the babies are still locked up in a tiny hutch.

I asked my vet if he thinks I should get them involved and he said I could try, but that in his experience they probably won't do very much for them :(

What do you guys think?

Sadly going on my past experiences I have to agree with your Vet. I dont know if you feel able to try to engage with the previous owner on an ongoing basis and perhaps try offering some 'friendly' advice about things that she definitely needs to improve on regarding her Rabbits care. I know that you have already done this but maybe you could get some literature together for her and drop it off. The RWAF have lots of information Leaflets that you could print out

https://rabbitwelfare.co.uk/

If money is a big problem for the person then you could suggest that she may be able to access Veterinary care for the Rabbits she still has via the PDSA

https://www.pdsa.org.uk/taking-care-of-your-pet/eligibility

The RSPCA may offer help with the cost of neutering via their Voucher Scheme. Your local RSPCA Branch would be the best place to contact for details of what might be available

https://www.rspca.org.uk/whatwedo/yourlocal

I really hope that all will go well for Plumpkin today xx

MightyMax
17-04-2018, 10:42 AM
I had to contact rspca a few years ago after witnessing awful rabbit cruelty with my direct neighbour - they were picking bunnies up by ears and carrying round garden and chucking them in inadequate cages. Reduced me to tears and I made the call to the rspca on the spot and they paid a visit the next day. I can't pretend that I wasn't then isolated by the neighbour (she was also abusing her kids and I got social services into that) but I had to make that call because the rabbits can't and I just couldn't sit back knowing there was abuse of rabbits. As hard as it is you just have to do the right thing and know that you are saving more animals from harm.
Sending more vibes for plumpkin and here if you need me x


I'm glad to hear you had a positive result from the R.S.P.C.A. Craig. It's not always the case though by any means, and it seems their funds and resources are quite limited.

Glingle
17-04-2018, 11:49 AM
Hoping that everything goes smoothly today xxx

willow and squiggles
17-04-2018, 12:15 PM
I hope plumpkin is doing well. I phoned the RSPCA on a neighbour directly behind me about two dogs. They upper and moved house 2 days later so I don't know how things went, plus that's about dogs being left crying outside in all weathers.
Our rspca didn't do anything about 2 buns in a 4FT hutch my neighbour complained about ( in was my neighbours friend too). I would just call so you know you have done all you can. Extra vibes for plumpkin and you.

Beapig
17-04-2018, 12:28 PM
I have a Plumpkin update everyone...I'm afraid it's not great news. The vet said her teeth were even worse than they had been able to see before. She's had to have two molars removed which were totally rotten and crumbly. Her lower left was so long and sharp that it was cutting into her tongue and has caused a huge ulcer. He said he 'could have spent all day working on them', so we're back for another £100 session in a month's time. Back again in 3 days for a general check up, too.

I think I'll try to call the RSCPA and see what they have to say. I'm not hopeful that they'll take action, but it's worth trying...

CometLucy195
17-04-2018, 12:31 PM
Oh poor Plumpkin! That must have been so painful, that ulcer. Hopefully the pain relief and removal of rotten teeth will make her start to feel better soon. Xx

joey&boo
17-04-2018, 12:33 PM
Poor baby girl. I bet she'll start to feel more comfy soon & hopefully this will have a positive effect on her appetite. At least she is through the op safe & sound.

I agree re: calling the RSPCA. It probably won't help realistically but worth it for the chance it might

orangediva
17-04-2018, 12:33 PM
Poor girl, hope she’s more comfortable now. Hugs to you, this must be so stressful.

That :censored: woman

Jack's-Jane
17-04-2018, 01:10 PM
:cry:

I hope that she can recover from today's procedure xx

Glingle
17-04-2018, 01:20 PM
Poor Plumpkin. I hope she's feeling less discomfort after today's procedure. Thank goodness you took her in or she would have no doubt suffered a painful death. Sending lots of vibes and love and hugs to you xxx

Craig 1965
17-04-2018, 01:21 PM
I'm wiping a small tear from my eye because I feel so upset and angry hat such a sweet young rabbit has been suffering so in necessarily. The poor thing must have been in agony. BUT Beapig, you are a total heroine in all this and rescued plumpkin in the nick of time. Words cannot say how much you deserve a hug and people like you make me feel that there is more good than bad in the world. The positive from today despite the teeth removal, is that surgical intervention can now help the recovery and whilst drastic, is necessary to allow her to begin the long healing process. She should feel so much more comfortable once this settles down and I hope she responds well to the meds. I do hope the rspca follow through because it is their duty to. Anything less is failing you and more importantly failing plumpkin and the rabbit world. Loads of get will vibes for plumpkin- sweet dear little thing.

tonibun
17-04-2018, 01:27 PM
Sending vibes for a good recovery and hopefully the start of abetter life for Plumpkin. xx

Omi
17-04-2018, 01:29 PM
How distressing :( Sending Plumpkin loads of vibes and I hope she recovers well from her op.

MightyMax
17-04-2018, 01:32 PM
I have a Plumpkin update everyone...I'm afraid it's not great news. The vet said her teeth were even worse than they had been able to see before. She's had to have two molars removed which were totally rotten and crumbly. Her lower left was so long and sharp that it was cutting into her tongue and has caused a huge ulcer. He said he 'could have spent all day working on them', so we're back for another £100 session in a month's time. Back again in 3 days for a general check up, too.

I think I'll try to call the RSCPA and see what they have to say. I'm not hopeful that they'll take action, but it's worth trying...


You have such a big heart :love:

Loads of hugs for you and vibes for Plumpkin. Just think of the pain and distress if you hadn't taken her on x

daphnephoebe
17-04-2018, 03:54 PM
I have a Plumpkin update everyone...I'm afraid it's not great news. The vet said her teeth were even worse than they had been able to see before. She's had to have two molars removed which were totally rotten and crumbly. Her lower left was so long and sharp that it was cutting into her tongue and has caused a huge ulcer. He said he 'could have spent all day working on them', so we're back for another £100 session in a month's time. Back again in 3 days for a general check up, too.

I think I'll try to call the RSCPA and see what they have to say. I'm not hopeful that they'll take action, but it's worth trying...The poor baby girl. I've been following her story and been waiting for the update following op.

Everytime I have called the RSPCA they have made a visit within 4 days and called me with an update.
Just make sure you highlight the lack of accommodation for the buck and let them know what has been found wrong with Plumpkin following her neglect.

I'm so glad she's found you xx

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Beapig
17-04-2018, 06:25 PM
Thank you everyone for your vibes, advice and general support. It has really helped me to get through this worrying period. I thought you might like an update on Plumpkin: she's home now and staying in overnight so we can keep an eye on her. She's on metacam twice a day from tomorrow and will be back to the vet for a check up on the 20th. They gave me her extracted teeth in a pot to look at, not pretty :(

She's eaten a small amount of greens since getting back, so at least she isn't completely off her food. Here's a picture of her looking quite relaxed: she flopped on the carpet at one point, seems to really like it, which has inspired an idea for my futue bunny shed project! :)

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/869/27652979808_a51888845a_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/J8AKtW)20180417_181501 (https://flic.kr/p/J8AKtW) by Rachel Brown (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150123870@N07/), on Flickr

MimzMum
17-04-2018, 06:33 PM
Awww...she looks very relaxed and happy considering what she's been through. Bless her. :love:
I'm so very glad that she, and also the other bunnies, have you fighting their corner. :) xxxxx

Craig 1965
17-04-2018, 06:51 PM
Oh- she looks incredible. She really has deep spirit and true character given what she has been through and eating some food is just so encouraging. I know it's wrong, but I have developed a very deep soft spot for plumpkin and I am so pleased she has pulled through this first phase. And again, you are a truly wonderful kind and courageous lady for doing this and your reward is clear in that photo. She melts my heart. 😍

MightyMax
17-04-2018, 06:51 PM
Thank you everyone for your vibes, advice and general support. It has really helped me to get through this worrying period. I thought you might like an update on Plumpkin: she's home now and staying in overnight so we can keep an eye on her. She's on metacam twice a day from tomorrow and will be back to the vet for a check up on the 20th. They gave me her extracted teeth in a pot to look at, not pretty :(

She's eaten a small amount of greens since getting back, so at least she isn't completely off her food. Here's a picture of her looking quite relaxed: she flopped on the carpet at one point, seems to really like it, which has inspired an idea for my futue bunny shed project! :)

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/869/27652979808_a51888845a_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/J8AKtW)20180417_181501 (https://flic.kr/p/J8AKtW) by Rachel Brown (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150123870@N07/), on Flickr


She's an absolute darling and a real trooper! :love:

Omi
17-04-2018, 07:44 PM
Thank you for posting that photo of her. She is a wonderful rabbit :love: I'm so pleased that she's recovering well.

Mervinius
17-04-2018, 07:54 PM
I have a Plumpkin update everyone...I'm afraid it's not great news. The vet said her teeth were even worse than they had been able to see before. She's had to have two molars removed which were totally rotten and crumbly. Her lower left was so long and sharp that it was cutting into her tongue and has caused a huge ulcer. He said he 'could have spent all day working on them', so we're back for another £100 session in a month's time. Back again in 3 days for a general check up, too.

I think I'll try to call the RSCPA and see what they have to say. I'm not hopeful that they'll take action, but it's worth trying...This makes me feel very sad. I worry about other bunnies out there. I'm so glad you gave her a home, she is very lucky!

:-(



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SarahP
17-04-2018, 08:04 PM
This bunny is obviously a real fighter. You're doing everything you possibly can.

daphnephoebe
17-04-2018, 08:58 PM
She already looks 100 ◊'s better

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Jack's-Jane
18-04-2018, 04:43 AM
Thank you everyone for your vibes, advice and general support. It has really helped me to get through this worrying period. I thought you might like an update on Plumpkin: she's home now and staying in overnight so we can keep an eye on her. She's on metacam twice a day from tomorrow and will be back to the vet for a check up on the 20th. They gave me her extracted teeth in a pot to look at, not pretty :(

She's eaten a small amount of greens since getting back, so at least she isn't completely off her food. Here's a picture of her looking quite relaxed: she flopped on the carpet at one point, seems to really like it, which has inspired an idea for my futue bunny shed project! :)

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/869/27652979808_a51888845a_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/J8AKtW)20180417_181501 (https://flic.kr/p/J8AKtW) by Rachel Brown (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150123870@N07/), on Flickr

Awwww and her ears are saying it's 7 O'Clock !! :lol: Topping up the vibes for her xx

joey&boo
18-04-2018, 10:22 AM
She's absolutely beautiful :love:

MightyMax
18-04-2018, 10:54 AM
More vibes for her, and hugs for you :love:

Ruthyjones89
18-04-2018, 11:55 AM
she is a gorgeous bunny and it's heartbreaking to think how much pain she was in.. but thank god you have taken her in and helped her! :love:

how's she doing today?

TheThreeB's
18-04-2018, 12:32 PM
She's a lovely rabbit. Hopefully things will be on the up for her now.

This thread makes me thankful that the 6 of my 12 that came from less than ideal situations came off pretty unscathed. It could have been very different x

Beapig
19-04-2018, 07:47 PM
Hello everyone, sorry for the lack of updates on Plumpkin! I'm pleased to say that she's doing really well despite the pain she's been going through. She's eating well, is much more active and perky than she used to be, and I think she really enjoy the little slumber party she had in our room the night of the op - lots of flopping happening :lol:

She's back outside now and is properly grazing on the grass, which up until now she hardly did at all. Her poops are also looking the best they ever have. I'm really pleased to see her thriving in this way. Back the vets tomorrow, hopefully they'll be happy with her progress too :)

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/793/41564125251_df68fa4856_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/26jT1na)20180418_142947 (https://flic.kr/p/26jT1na) by Rachel Brown (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150123870@N07/), on Flickr

MightyMax
19-04-2018, 07:52 PM
Hello everyone, sorry for the lack of updates on Plumpkin! I'm pleased to say that she's doing really well despite the pain she's been going through. She's eating well, is much more active and perky than she used to be, and I think she really enjoy the little slumber party she had in our room the night of the op - lots of flopping happening :lol:

She's back outside now and is properly grazing on the grass, which up until now she hardly did at all. Her poops are also looking the best they ever have. I'm really pleased to see her thriving in this way. Back the vets tomorrow, hopefully they'll be happy with her progress too :)

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/793/41564125251_df68fa4856_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/26jT1na)20180418_142947 (https://flic.kr/p/26jT1na) by Rachel Brown (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150123870@N07/), on Flickr


You are a magician and she is one hell of a girlie :love:

orangediva
19-04-2018, 07:56 PM
That’s fantastic news - she’s looking amazing :love:

You really are a bunny miracle worker. Well done and hope you are feeling a little less stressed now? Xx

kattymieoww
19-04-2018, 08:15 PM
Aww bless her, the little trooper.Hope she continues to improve,topping up vibes for gorgeous Plumpkin.:love:

Omi
19-04-2018, 08:22 PM
Really pleased to read this update :D Well done both you and your vet. I hope she gets on well tomorrow.

Craig 1965
19-04-2018, 08:34 PM
I am absolutely thrilled and so so happy to read such a wonderful update full of great positives. Plumpkin is utterly unique and special and you are a true miracle worker with a heart of gold. She is looking gorgeous in the photo and clearly thriving and enjoying the life she has been so deserving of, through you. Huge huge hugs to both of you and loads of healing vibes for plumpkin. What a rabbit and what a star you are.

Glingle
19-04-2018, 08:47 PM
Wonderful news and a wonderful photo x

Rhianna
19-04-2018, 09:28 PM
Great update. Plumpkin looks so relaxed and happy :love:

Beapig
19-04-2018, 10:05 PM
Thank you so much everyone <3 I'll post another update tomorrow after we've been to the vet! :)

Zoobec
19-04-2018, 10:37 PM
So glad to read the latest update, good luck at the vets tomorrow:thumb:

CometLucy195
20-04-2018, 08:39 AM
More vibes for a positive vet visit today xx

tonibun
20-04-2018, 10:23 AM
I think Guardian Angels are sent to help some rabbits in their plight. I hope she continues to thrive. xx

Pippin'sMum
21-04-2018, 12:04 PM
Some posts are following anxiously to see what is happening with people's poorly buns, and this was certainly one! I logged on wondering how she was, and heaved a sigh of relief when I saw that she is improving after her dental. Sending vibes for her continuing improvement, she's certainly landed on her paws with you! You should be so proud of yourself for making her life worth living xx

MightyMax
21-04-2018, 03:26 PM
Hope the vet visit went well. Look forward to updates :)

Beapig
23-04-2018, 06:33 PM
Sorry for another late update everyone! With all of this back and forth to the vet, I've managed to get a bit behind on work and housekeeping, so haven't had much time to come on the forum.

Last weeks vet visit went well. I saw yet another vet I had never met before, and she began by informing me, sternly, that the vet who operated on Plumpkin said that her teeth were 'The worst he had ever seen in a rabbit'. Apparently the two teeth that were pulled out were really loose. I was then of course very quick to tell her that I'd only had Plumpkin for less than 2 weeks and it was lucky that I rescued her when I did! I think her vet bills are past £200 now...totally worth it.

So the good news is that she has already put on weight, and the ulcer on her tongue is healing nicely. She's on antibiotics as well as metacam now because there's some discharge coming from her tooth holes. She's pretty happy to take the antibiotics because she gets them in a piece of mashed banana. It always makes me laugh watching her lick the plate clean :lol:

She's still very stiff in her legs and bony to the touch, but I'm looking forward to seeing more progress as the weeks pass. The photos below are from this evening, in a now rather drizzly Wales.

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/928/27783227728_764f9d4567_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Jk7iDJ)20180423_183531 (https://flic.kr/p/Jk7iDJ) by Rachel Brown (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150123870@N07/), on Flickr

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/940/26783941017_5931ba8c5e_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/GNNGwv)20180423_183533 (https://flic.kr/p/GNNGwv) by Rachel Brown (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150123870@N07/), on Flickr

I'm already thinking ahead about whether she should be spayed before being introduced to Ham and Bea. This won't be for some time - not until she's much better, because I don't want to put her body under any more strain. Just wondering if I can get some opinions regarding this - even though Ham and Bea are spayed, is it still necessary for Plumpkin to also be? I've heard about cancer being a higher risk in female rabbits pre-spay and also that they can be more hormonal in a bad way when it comes to bonding.

I'd like to emphasise that I won't be rushing into this either way - this girlie is in rehab right now and just needs plenty of rest and to put weight on. It's lovely to see her improving though - she now likes Herb Robert and Dandelions, which I don't think she even realised counted as food when we first brought her home. And you know how bunnies will eat a whole leaf in one go? She didn't use to be able to do that either, I guess because her teeth were so painful. She'd take a tiny nibble and then drop it.

So to summarise, it's rewarding and heart warming to see her acting like a 'normal' rabbit!

Sue
23-04-2018, 06:51 PM
She is such a very lucky rabbit to have found you, and it is lovely to see her progressing so well. She looks very relaxed and contented :D

Craig 1965
23-04-2018, 07:04 PM
One look at the amount of posts here, clearly shows just how much I think we've all taken to plumpkin. The fact is, Beapig, your actions in 'rescuing plumpkin' show that there are some truly special people out there. People who do their very best to reverse the wrongs that others have done. I am sure plumpkin feels this and thrives off the love and care you are giving. She looks amazing and in her rabbit soul, I'm sure she knows that you are making her better. She has such strength and inner spirit. It is a joy to follow this thread-I'm loosing sleep worrying about plumpkin.
You are absolutely right to hold back the spay. I think plumpkin needs to get emotional strength back as well as physical but she is such a strong rabbit. Spoil her as much as you can-she absolutely deserves it. You are an absolute star.

Omi
23-04-2018, 07:18 PM
I'm glad that her check-up at the vets went well. I'm also pleased that she's putting on weight and starting to realise how tasty food can be, especially when it doesn't hurt to eat it :)

Hoping that she continues to thrive now she's with you. Poor girl must have been in a lot of pain :(

Zoobec
23-04-2018, 07:21 PM
Iím so glad she is still doing well :thumb:

SarahP
23-04-2018, 07:32 PM
She is amazing :)

daphnephoebe
23-04-2018, 07:37 PM
I am so glad to read her most recent update. She just looks so much happier in her eyes.

In regards to bonding, because she's had a litter previously I think she may be more difficult to bond if not neutered first so wait until she's ready and then have her neutered.

I'm glad you're not rushing her hearing process, she's so lucky x

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Jack's-Jane
24-04-2018, 05:05 AM
So lovely to read that Plumpkin is making progress and I really hope that this will continue. She has obviously had a very tough time up until now.

I expect the Vet has already covered this- having a good check in her ears for any sign of infection ? I ask as often Rabbits who have stiff limbs can get gunky ears. Also, Rabbits who have previously been neglected may develop ear problems. Hopefully Plumpkin's ears have been well checked and are fine. I am just a bit OCD about the potential of Ear Infections in Rabbits :oops: especially Lops, as I have had rather too many encounters with the condition. Feel free to ignore me !

kattymieoww
24-04-2018, 08:44 AM
Bless Plumpkin,I hope she continues to improve.x

MightyMax
24-04-2018, 09:37 AM
One look at the amount of posts here, clearly shows just how much I think we've all taken to plumpkin. The fact is, Beapig, your actions in 'rescuing plumpkin' show that there are some truly special people out there. People who do their very best to reverse the wrongs that others have done. I am sure plumpkin feels this and thrives off the love and care you are giving. She looks amazing and in her rabbit soul, I'm sure she knows that you are making her better. She has such strength and inner spirit. It is a joy to follow this thread-I'm loosing sleep worrying about plumpkin.
You are absolutely right to hold back the spay. I think plumpkin needs to get emotional strength back as well as physical but she is such a strong rabbit. Spoil her as much as you can-she absolutely deserves it. You are an absolute star.


I agree with Craig :)

She does look good and I believe rabbits do know that we are trying our best on their behalf. I've often found that the Rescue rabbits I adopt are 'grateful' - don't ask me to define that, I can't! I just somehow know it :)

Leannean27
24-04-2018, 12:00 PM
Glad to see she's taken all her treatments and medication so well and she's eating better too, I remember your first post when you had first seen her and just wanted to get her out of that house asap - she's come so far since then in quite a short time really and it's evident how much others on here think about how she's getting on too. Lovely :love:

Beapig
27-04-2018, 09:40 AM
Thank you so much for the kind words everyone! :) Plumpkin went back to the vet this morning and the vet we saw was happy with her progress. Her mouth is healing nicely and she's coming off of her meds. She's due another op on her teeth in about a month when she's a bit better.

I'd share a picture, but the weather is atrocious here so it will have to wait until another day ;)

Thank you for your repeated vibes for Plumpkin, I swear she can feel the love from everyone who has been rooting for her <3

kattymieoww
27-04-2018, 10:14 AM
Great update.x

MightyMax
27-04-2018, 11:24 AM
Thank you so much for the kind words everyone! :) Plumpkin went back to the vet this morning and the vet we saw was happy with her progress. Her mouth is healing nicely and she's coming off of her meds. She's due another op on her teeth in about a month when she's a bit better.

I'd share a picture, but the weather is atrocious here so it will have to wait until another day ;)

Thank you for your repeated vibes for Plumpkin, I swear she can feel the love from everyone who has been rooting for her <3


:love:

Craig 1965
27-04-2018, 12:52 PM
Topping up the vibes for the beautiful plumpkin and a true star in you, Beapig. So so pleased that all is going well. Looking forward to photos.

Scrappy's Little Helper
27-04-2018, 01:23 PM
I'm really pleased to read that Plumpkin is doing so well now. That's entirely down to the wonderful care you've given her ❤️❤️❤️


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Omi
27-04-2018, 01:38 PM
Excellent news :D

orangediva
27-04-2018, 01:39 PM
Brilliant news, she’s doing so well, bless her. Hoping things are slightly less stressful for you now she’s perking up xx

tonibun
27-04-2018, 04:33 PM
Great news! Well done you and Plumpkin xx

CometLucy195
27-04-2018, 05:14 PM
Glad she’s doing well, topping up the vibes xxx

Beapig
28-04-2018, 07:16 PM
Thanks so much everyone! Plumpkin wants to say hello to you all today...she says she loves her new tunnel toy and is full of energy:

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/865/41720797912_1921a8497e_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/26yHZFW)20180428_180558 (https://flic.kr/p/26yHZFW) by Rachel Brown (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150123870@N07/), on Flickr

Beatrice, Mr. Hamo and Merlin would also like to remind you all that they exist and that there are no favourites ;)

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/869/41044358124_a0e1f4f43e_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/25wX4GY)IMG-20180422-WA0005 (https://flic.kr/p/25wX4GY) by Rachel Brown (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150123870@N07/), on Flickr

joey&boo
28-04-2018, 07:47 PM
great to hear Plumpkin is enjoying her new life. She is truly lovely.

The photo of Ham & Bea with your kitty is hilarious. Did they evict him?

Craig 1965
28-04-2018, 08:09 PM
Oh, wow! Plumpkin looks amazing and has such gorgeous eyes. She looks full of character and she is clearly enjoying her new life. You have done a wonderful job fit a special rabbit. And Beatrice, Mr Hammo and Merlin look so sweet too. It's lovely to see they are all friends. Wonderful photos Beapig and it's brilliant to see the gorgeous plumpkin looking so well.

Beapig
01-05-2018, 08:24 PM
Thank you for the positive vibes everyone. I think Plumpkin is getting better, but I'm keeping a close eye on her. She's still very underweight and won't eat any hay.

I thought people would be interested to know that her two remaining kits are now free on Gumtree. Originally the owner was meant to be keeping them.

I wonder what has become of the father :(

MightyMax
01-05-2018, 08:51 PM
Thank you for the positive vibes everyone. I think Plumpkin is getting better, but I'm keeping a close eye on her. She's still very underweight and won't eat any hay.

I thought people would be interested to know that her two remaining kits are now free on Gumtree. Originally the owner was meant to be keeping them.

I wonder what has become of the father :(



The dreaded free-ads :(

orangediva
01-05-2018, 09:11 PM
Oh no poor things. I’m guessing my standard email to people advertising free rabbits telling them of the pitfalls won’t go down well?

Glad she’s doing so well, she’s - finally - a lucky girl :love:

nickybunny1
01-05-2018, 09:14 PM
I have been following Plumkins thread and am so glad to hear she is doing well and so glad you saved her. Regarding her babies on free ads can you not send her a message via free ads or someone else send one telling her not to give the babies away for free as they could be used for dog baiting or snake food. I do this on Gumtree alot and people do usually add a price. It's worth a try to help try and ensure they don't fall into the wrong hands. X

tonibun
02-05-2018, 07:59 AM
Ham and Bea are not too sure of your cat going off their ears!

CometLucy195
02-05-2018, 08:41 AM
Hi Beapig, glad to catch up with Plumpkin progress and see your other lovely furries. I agree that an email/text to the woman may help to remind her not to give pets away for free. I do it all the time, and mostly they do re-advertise with a price. Hopefully someone else will pick up the other buns for a better life �� xx

Beapig
12-05-2018, 11:04 PM
Sorry that I haven't kept you guys updated on Plumpkin recently - as usual life has been a bit hectic and I've struggled to get on the forum!

Wish I could give you all good news, but I'm actually concerned that she's going downhill again. This past week I've seen a lot of tooth grinding, and whilst Ham & Bea rollick around in the evening, she has been staying in a tight little ball with her eyes closed. I'm going to take her back to the vet on Monday because I suspect she came off of the antibiotics and metacam too soon.

It has been so hard just knowing how to best keep her happy, aside from the potential pain returning. I can only spend so much time with her every day because of work - I'm concerned that she feels isolated and lonely. The happiest I've ever seen her was straight after her operation when she had settled into my bedroom and was flopping on the carpet and eating. I think she felt safe, cosy and sociable. My cat kept going to see her and I worked on my laptop in my room so I could keep an eye on her.

The other day her eyes were so dim and she was so melancholy, so in a moment of desperation I pulled her run closer to Ham & Bea's so she could meet them through the bars. Her eyes were suddenly sparkling and she hit it off with Hamilton immediately. Beatrice was not happy that her boyfriend was flirting with another girl and cuffed her on the nose through the bars, and Plumpkin's face was suddenly that of a bullied child in a playground. It broke my heart! I moved the runs away swiftly after this encounter, but I wanted to see if other bunnies would improve her mood, and it definitely did.

The thing is, she's due operation 2 in about 2 weeks. Then she'll need to recover from that. Then she needs to be spayed. Then a long recovery from that. So it could easily be a couple of months before she's well enough to be bonded with them.

She still refuses to eat hay and hardly eats grass, which is a big worry for me. The Ings hay I have is amazing quality and it's the only stuff my other two will eat now. She won't touch the much coveted dry forage either. I'm compensating with extra green leaves and extra pellets. Trying to help her put on weight because she's still super thin - I can feel her spine horribly when I smooth her back.

Please send your vibes to Plumpkin. I'm finding this a hard time because I hate to see her suffering and I wish I could know what she was thinking. When I went to sit with her today, she had a look in her eyes that said 'I've given up hope'. I just want to see her happy again so badly :(

joey&boo
12-05-2018, 11:47 PM
Its so sad to hear this. Do you think you could bring her planned dental forward. I'd also call your vet & check its ok to restart on metacam whilst waiting to be seen. Sending Plumpkin loads of vibes

nickybunny1
13-05-2018, 12:04 AM
Sorry to hear about poor Plumpkin, I would start back on the metacam again , even tonight if you can . Poor girl, such a worry and she has done so well, bit hopefully vet will get her sorted soon. X

Jack's-Jane
13-05-2018, 05:00 AM
Its so sad to hear this. Do you think you could bring her planned dental forward. I'd also call your vet & check its ok to restart on metacam whilst waiting to be seen. Sending Plumpkin loads of vibes

I am sorry to read that Plumpkin has had a bit of a relapse. I cant remember if you said that it is not possible for her to be a House Rabbit, at least until such a time that she can be bonded ?

It may be that she does have dental pain again so I agree that taking her back to the Vet tomorrow is necessary. If she has malocclusion then eating hay/grass may be something that she will always find very hard to do. The jaw action needed to chew hay/grass is rotational, where-as that needed to eat pellets/muesli is vertical.
With bad malocclusion spurs can develop rapidly, sometimes within just 2-3 weeks. That said, if corrective dentistry occurs early on then sometimes the rate of progression of dental disease can be reduced and the time between dentals can become longer.

I am not sure if you have already seen these links, posting them here just incase you haven't. Apologies if I am repeating myself as I have not read back through all of the thread

http://www.medirabbit.com/EN/Dental_diseases/Differential/Rabbit_dentistry.pdf

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/685f/6295965e01a2b2bf90b744f9c068d43bfae8.pdf

These are from my Vet's Blog

https://www.twickenhamvets.com/rabbit-dental-problems-part-1-malocclusion-cheek-teeth/

https://www.twickenhamvets.com/rabbit-dental-problems-part-2-malocclusion-incisors/

https://www.twickenhamvets.com/rabbit-dental-problems-part-3-abscesses-fractures/

Radiographs are a very useful tool for diagnosing the severity of dental disease as what is going on regarding the tooth roots and the bone is relevant.

http://www.medirabbit.com/Radiography/anatomical_lines.pdf

https://i.imgur.com/tB8kdlE.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/GHk9ZtV.jpg

And finally, a view inside the mouth of a Rabbit with molar spurs

https://i.imgur.com/C0gbz2O.jpg


Sending lots of vibes for Plumpkin Bunny xx

loobers25
13-05-2018, 05:34 AM
I'm sorry to hear this. :( what about compressed timothy pellets? There's all sorts of varieties on galens garden including grass or herb pellets. You can soak them too. I just went to look for you but unfortunately the website is being updated until tomorrow


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Beapig
13-05-2018, 07:50 AM
Thank you very much for the advice everyone. I would give her metacam today but unfortunately my OH threw it out when the vet said we should stop using it. I think the best thing I can do is call up the vet first thing tomorrow and take her in to be looked at. If we can forward the appointment for the surgery on recommendation then that would be fine too.

She's still managing to eat leafy greens and pellets fine, and small herbs like herb robert, but does have a tendency to leave any piles of long grass I pick for her and she's never touched hay. I'm not so concerned about the hay issue in the sense that Hamilton was the same when I first got him, because he had always been deprived of hay in his diet, and it took watching Beatrice eat it for him to realise that it was actually edible. Now he loves hay and eats it all of the time, so I hope that Plupmkin will learn this when she's bonded with the other two.

However, I think you're right Jane, her jaw could give life long issues, and that's sadly something I've been aware of since my vet told me her jaw is permanently disfigured from calcium deficiency. She was eating grass when she was still on metacam, so maybe the pain is just making it too much for her to eat in that specific action.

I could bring her in as a house rabbit, although only to our bedroom (which is about 4.5 x 3.5 metres, but the double bed takes up a lot of room) - it's the only room in the house that I would see as bunny safe right now, because we only bought this house as a shell last summer and the bedroom is the only room we've been able to make decent since that time. It might be something to consider.

Omi
13-05-2018, 08:12 AM
I'm sad to read that Plumpkin has problems again. I agree with the advice from others e.g. try to get her next dental brought forward and consider having her temporarily as a house rabbit. I hope her vet appointment goes well tomorrow and sending her lots of vibes.

Beapig
13-05-2018, 08:24 AM
I'm sad to read that Plumpkin has problems again. I agree with the advice from others e.g. try to get her next dental brought forward and consider having her temporarily as a house rabbit. I hope her vet appointment goes well tomorrow and sending her lots of vibes.

Thank you Omi. It breaks my heart that a rabbit so young has this many problems, as a result of pure neglect. It's so sad, especially when I see how happy and care free Ham & Bea are. I really hope things will start looking up for her soon :(

Craig 1965
13-05-2018, 08:24 AM
Oh I am so so sorry to hear of Plumpkins problems continuing. I completely agree with the comments above and I think certainly getting metacam into her is a good way to start. I also agree that given the jaw problems she has suffered, then she may always struggle with eating 'normally'. But animals are very good at adapting and so she may well develop her own strategy for eating. Poor Plumpkin. Also perhaps you could find a snuggle toy for her to nuzzle into whilst indoors? I also hope that somwhere down the line she is able to bond with Ham & Bea. Sending millions and milllions of vibes for Plumpkin and hope that she improves in the coming days.

Beapig
13-05-2018, 09:48 AM
Oh I am so so sorry to hear of Plumpkins problems continuing. I completely agree with the comments above and I think certainly getting metacam into her is a good way to start. I also agree that given the jaw problems she has suffered, then she may always struggle with eating 'normally'. But animals are very good at adapting and so she may well develop her own strategy for eating. Poor Plumpkin. Also perhaps you could find a snuggle toy for her to nuzzle into whilst indoors? I also hope that somwhere down the line she is able to bond with Ham & Bea. Sending millions and milllions of vibes for Plumpkin and hope that she improves in the coming days.

Thank you very much for your support Craig. I brought Plumpkin inside to my room about an hour ago and the transformation in her behaviour has been almost instant. She's been running around the room exploring and looks so much happier. If she were outside right now she'd be in a tight ball in the hutch with her eyes closed. She's like a different bunny.

I have a theory that it might be like PTS. She was in such a small hutch for her whole life - even though the one she has here is 5 times as big and constantly open to the run, it's like she shuts down when she's in that space. Whereas the bedroom with the soft carpet is a white, open space with different smells, a completely alien environment to her.

In the long run I do still want to bond her with Hamilton and Beatrice, but for now she seems really happy in here. I'm extending their run and planning on getting a shed for them to replace the hutch this summer. So by the time she's in better health, she'll have a much more exciting setup to come back to.

Phew!

MightyMax
13-05-2018, 09:57 AM
Sorry that I haven't kept you guys updated on Plumpkin recently - as usual life has been a bit hectic and I've struggled to get on the forum!

Wish I could give you all good news, but I'm actually concerned that she's going downhill again. This past week I've seen a lot of tooth grinding, and whilst Ham & Bea rollick around in the evening, she has been staying in a tight little ball with her eyes closed. I'm going to take her back to the vet on Monday because I suspect she came off of the antibiotics and metacam too soon.

It has been so hard just knowing how to best keep her happy, aside from the potential pain returning. I can only spend so much time with her every day because of work - I'm concerned that she feels isolated and lonely. The happiest I've ever seen her was straight after her operation when she had settled into my bedroom and was flopping on the carpet and eating. I think she felt safe, cosy and sociable. My cat kept going to see her and I worked on my laptop in my room so I could keep an eye on her.

The other day her eyes were so dim and she was so melancholy, so in a moment of desperation I pulled her run closer to Ham & Bea's so she could meet them through the bars. Her eyes were suddenly sparkling and she hit it off with Hamilton immediately. Beatrice was not happy that her boyfriend was flirting with another girl and cuffed her on the nose through the bars, and Plumpkin's face was suddenly that of a bullied child in a playground. It broke my heart! I moved the runs away swiftly after this encounter, but I wanted to see if other bunnies would improve her mood, and it definitely did.

The thing is, she's due operation 2 in about 2 weeks. Then she'll need to recover from that. Then she needs to be spayed. Then a long recovery from that. So it could easily be a couple of months before she's well enough to be bonded with them.

She still refuses to eat hay and hardly eats grass, which is a big worry for me. The Ings hay I have is amazing quality and it's the only stuff my other two will eat now. She won't touch the much coveted dry forage either. I'm compensating with extra green leaves and extra pellets. Trying to help her put on weight because she's still super thin - I can feel her spine horribly when I smooth her back.

Please send your vibes to Plumpkin. I'm finding this a hard time because I hate to see her suffering and I wish I could know what she was thinking. When I went to sit with her today, she had a look in her eyes that said 'I've given up hope'. I just want to see her happy again so badly :(


I'm sorry to hear about Plumpkin. You're trying so hard with her and doing your vey best.

Sometimes a rabbit doesn't eat hay or grass not because they don't want to, but simply because they can't. The side to side chewing motion of grass and hay is harder with rabbits who have dental malocclusion. They can often manage the up and down grinding action to eat pellets and veggies.

What I found useful to get some fibre into a rabbit who cannot eat hay is to feed fibafirst sticks. They contain an excellent amount of fibre and also help to keep the teeth in trim as much as possible. There are a couple of alternatives here:

http://supremepetfoods.com/fiba-first-2/

https://www.vetuk.co.uk/rabbit-food-vetcare-plus-rabbit-food-c-649_650_1301/vetcare-plus-digestive-health-formula-1kg-p-5639


I have cared for so many dental buns over the years that it's no longer scary, but I can understand that feeling a problem will never be solved can be daunting. But it can be managed!!


Some useful info here I have found:

http://www.medirabbit.com/EN/Dental_diseases/Differential/Rabbit_dentistry.pdf


My rabbit has had extensive surgery over the past two months and it's been heartbreaking to see. But you'll get through this together because you're both fighters :D

tonibun
13-05-2018, 10:01 AM
Hoping that Plumpkin can overcome this setback as she has a lovely life ahead.

kattymieoww
13-05-2018, 10:07 AM
Sending soothing vibes for Plumpkin x

Glingle
13-05-2018, 10:18 AM
Sending lots of vibes for Plumpkin. When I went to FHB's lectures for bunny owners she was postulating that dental buns can't eat hay rather than won't eat hay. Sending hugs for you too x

tulsi
13-05-2018, 11:35 AM
How lovely that she has perked up now that she is indoors. It will be interesting to see how she gets on with the others in the future when bonding happens.

Beapig
13-05-2018, 11:59 AM
I'm sorry to hear about Plumpkin. You're trying so hard with her and doing your vey best.

Sometimes a rabbit doesn't eat hay or grass not because they don't want to, but simply because they can't. The side to side chewing motion of grass and hay is harder with rabbits who have dental malocclusion. They can often manage the up and down grinding action to eat pellets and veggies.

What I found useful to get some fibre into a rabbit who cannot eat hay is to feed fibafirst sticks. They contain an excellent amount of fibre and also help to keep the teeth in trim as much as possible. There are a couple of alternatives here:

http://supremepetfoods.com/fiba-first-2/

https://www.vetuk.co.uk/rabbit-food-vetcare-plus-rabbit-food-c-649_650_1301/vetcare-plus-digestive-health-formula-1kg-p-5639


I have cared for so many dental buns over the years that it's no longer scary, but I can understand that feeling a problem will never be solved can be daunting. But it can be managed!!


Some useful info here I have found:

http://www.medirabbit.com/EN/Dental_diseases/Differential/Rabbit_dentistry.pdf


My rabbit has had extensive surgery over the past two months and it's been heartbreaking to see. But you'll get through this together because you're both fighters :D

Thank you for the advice MM, I'm going to order the Fibre First treats on Amazon Prime today :) How many would you recommend giving her per day?

It is indeed daunting, both emotionally and financially, but wanting to make her better id a huge motivator to stay upbeat and keep going!

daphnephoebe
13-05-2018, 12:24 PM
Everyone has given brilliant advice so I'll just top up the vibes xx

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Craig 1965
13-05-2018, 12:52 PM
Thank you very much for your support Craig. I brought Plumpkin inside to my room about an hour ago and the transformation in her behaviour has been almost instant. She's been running around the room exploring and looks so much happier. If she were outside right now she'd be in a tight ball in the hutch with her eyes closed. She's like a different bunny.

I have a theory that it might be like PTS. She was in such a small hutch for her whole life - even though the one she has here is 5 times as big and constantly open to the run, it's like she shuts down when she's in that space. Whereas the bedroom with the soft carpet is a white, open space with different smells, a completely alien environment to her.

In the long run I do still want to bond her with Hamilton and Beatrice, but for now she seems really happy in here. I'm extending their run and planning on getting a shed for them to replace the hutch this summer. So by the time she's in better health, she'll have a much more exciting setup to come back to.

Phew!

Why just a theory, Beapig? PTS is not a ficticious notion here. Animals behavious is usually critical to their emotional wellbeing. Given what Plumpkin has been subject to, her natural instinct has been emotionally worn away by her former keeper. Just like us, they must surely then have emotional reaction. The body produces seratonin in all animals and it depicts moods - predominantly happy feelings. If someone including animals, have been put through som much nagativity for so long, the body withdraws the production of seratonin. So I would say that you might be bang on he mark with PTS. Quite how you deal with that is another matter. She clearly loves attention and the company of you in your environment and that is what is making her happy as you can clearly see the change in her. This will help kick start the positive reactions in her body and mind. She has been horrifically caged in a tortuously small environment and she now associates anything like that with bad feelings. So in my view, emotionally it will take time and patience because she will probably harbour these negative memories. But one thing is definate - she is showered with love and affection on a scale she could only have wished for. Every day, every moment she spends with you is like warm rays of sunshine in her life and she is responding to that because you care and you love - things Plumpkin will pick up on and thrive on. She IS a special bun - one who brings a tear to my eyes, but you are also very special and she deserves every ounce of love and care you are giving her. Bravo to you. Give her a good nose rub from me please and keep us updated. x

Zoobec
13-05-2018, 01:02 PM
Thank you very much for your support Craig. I brought Plumpkin inside to my room about an hour ago and the transformation in her behaviour has been almost instant. She's been running around the room exploring and looks so much happier. If she were outside right now she'd be in a tight ball in the hutch with her eyes closed. She's like a different bunny.

I have a theory that it might be like PTS. She was in such a small hutch for her whole life - even though the one she has here is 5 times as big and constantly open to the run, it's like she shuts down when she's in that space. Whereas the bedroom with the soft carpet is a white, open space with different smells, a completely alien environment to her.

In the long run I do still want to bond her with Hamilton and Beatrice, but for now she seems really happy in here. I'm extending their run and planning on getting a shed for them to replace the hutch this summer. So by the time she's in better health, she'll have a much more exciting setup to come back to.

Phew!

Iím so pleased she has perked up :thumb: if you would like to try her on fibafirst and/or Readigrass (I have original, green oat and Timothy Readigrass) I could send you some for her to try before you buy any :thumb: PM me your address if youíd like some :thumb:

Beapig
13-05-2018, 02:53 PM
Why just a theory, Beapig? PTS is not a ficticious notion here. Animals behavious is usually critical to their emotional wellbeing. Given what Plumpkin has been subject to, her natural instinct has been emotionally worn away by her former keeper. Just like us, they must surely then have emotional reaction. The body produces seratonin in all animals and it depicts moods - predominantly happy feelings. If someone including animals, have been put through som much nagativity for so long, the body withdraws the production of seratonin. So I would say that you might be bang on he mark with PTS. Quite how you deal with that is another matter. She clearly loves attention and the company of you in your environment and that is what is making her happy as you can clearly see the change in her. This will help kick start the positive reactions in her body and mind. She has been horrifically caged in a tortuously small environment and she now associates anything like that with bad feelings. So in my view, emotionally it will take time and patience because she will probably harbour these negative memories. But one thing is definate - she is showered with love and affection on a scale she could only have wished for. Every day, every moment she spends with you is like warm rays of sunshine in her life and she is responding to that because you care and you love - things Plumpkin will pick up on and thrive on. She IS a special bun - one who brings a tear to my eyes, but you are also very special and she deserves every ounce of love and care you are giving her. Bravo to you. Give her a good nose rub from me please and keep us updated. x

I think you're absolutely right Craig, thank you for your very kind words. Lots of cuddles and kisses due to make this lady feel loved again! I think she's also definitely still in some level of pain, so back to the vet tomorrow. I'll keep you all updated :)

Beapig
13-05-2018, 02:53 PM
I’m so pleased she has perked up :thumb: if you would like to try her on fibafirst and/or Readigrass (I have original, green oat and Timothy Readigrass) I could send you some for her to try before you buy any :thumb: PM me your address if you’d like some :thumb:


That's such a generous offer, thank you Zoobec! I'll PM you now :)

Zoobec
13-05-2018, 04:44 PM
That's such a generous offer, thank you Zoobec! I'll PM you now :)

No problem :thumb:

MightyMax
13-05-2018, 07:34 PM
Thank you for the advice MM, I'm going to order the Fibre First treats on Amazon Prime today :) How many would you recommend giving her per day?

It is indeed daunting, both emotionally and financially, but wanting to make her better id a huge motivator to stay upbeat and keep going!


I would weigh out the normal amount of pellets and then feed the same amount of Fibafirst.

If you want to put weight on her then a little more than that.

Some info here:

http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/showthread.php?413060-Those-that-feed-Fibafirst

http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/showthread.php?429171-Fibafirst-help-please

http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/showthread.php?348975-What-amount-of-Fibafirst-to-give


I feed quite a bit to keep weight on an elder bun, so it all depends - mix it in slowly and see how it works out. It's very much the same components as pellets so there should be no trouble changing over or mixing them together :)

Beapig
15-05-2018, 10:13 AM
Thank you for the advice MM <3

Plumpkin is back in for an emergency op today. The vet was not happy at all with how her teeth were looking yesterday and she has lost weight again. He thinks there may be more loose teeth to come out :( Please send vibes for my girl, she's going through the mill with all of this.

Zoobec
15-05-2018, 10:18 AM
Thank you for the advice MM <3

Plumpkin is back in for an emergency op today. The vet was not happy at all with how her teeth were looking yesterday and she has lost weight again. He thinks there may be more loose teeth to come out :( Please send vibes for my girl, she's going through the mill with all of this.

:cry: sending lots of vibes for her xx

tonibun
15-05-2018, 10:18 AM
Poor little Plumpkin, and poor you! You are doing your best for her and we can only hope she gets to enjoy life when her teeth are sorted out.

joey&boo
15-05-2018, 10:52 AM
Loads of vibes for Plumpkins dental - poor wee girlie. Can you imagine what she'd be going through if she hadn't been rescued by you :(

MightyMax
15-05-2018, 11:08 AM
Thank you for the advice MM <3

Plumpkin is back in for an emergency op today. The vet was not happy at all with how her teeth were looking yesterday and she has lost weight again. He thinks there may be more loose teeth to come out :( Please send vibes for my girl, she's going through the mill with all of this.


Sending loads of vibes for Plumpkin. I am so sorry about this. You are amazing to cope with it all, but I am sure it's laying a great strain on you.

Hugs xx

Ruthyjones89
15-05-2018, 11:42 AM
Topping up the vibes for Plumpkin, really hope her operation goes well.

xxxx

Craig 1965
15-05-2018, 01:32 PM
Sending millions of vibes for the beautiful plumpkin. I shed a tear each time I read that she's having more surgery and my thoughts are with her all day. Hoping she recovers from this latest treatment- she is such a strong willed bunny. Hugs for you too.

kattymieoww
15-05-2018, 02:51 PM
Sending vibes for Plumpkin.x

Jack's-Jane
15-05-2018, 02:53 PM
i hope that Plumpkin's dental treatment has gone well and that she will make a good recovery xx

TheThreeB's
15-05-2018, 03:58 PM
Sending vibes xx

Omi
15-05-2018, 05:07 PM
Sending loads more vibes for Plumpkin. I hope her further dental treatment was successful and that she will make a good recov ery.

mini lop1
15-05-2018, 08:08 PM
Hope it went well lots vibes xx

nickybunny1
15-05-2018, 08:40 PM
Thinking of you beautiful Plumpkin, hope your operation has went well. Xx

MightyMax
15-05-2018, 08:44 PM
Love and hugs from me xx

Ruthyjones89
15-05-2018, 08:59 PM
Topping up the vibes and really hope today went okay xx

Leannean27
16-05-2018, 08:34 AM
Hope the op went well, stay strong both of you :) xx

orangediva
16-05-2018, 09:00 AM
Poor little Plumpkin, hope sheís feeling better this morning xx

MightyMax
16-05-2018, 09:54 AM
Thinking of you all xx

susie bun
18-05-2018, 08:52 PM
New to this thread but Plumpkin is a beautiful rabbit and I send very best wishes. xx

TheThreeB's
19-05-2018, 02:06 PM
Hope things went ok and Beapig is just busy and not had an opportunity to update xx

Beapig
20-05-2018, 07:38 AM
So sorry for not updating this sooner everyone. As TheThreeB's predicted, I have been crazy busy. As I had to take Plumps to the vet three times last week (and pick her up after her op) I've been trying to catch up on my work and other stuff I've got behind on from such a broken up week.

So regarding Plumpkin:

The vet who operated on her (a different vet this time) said she had a long spur sticking into her tongue on the other side of her mouth this time. That was filed right back. She said the other side of the mouth where two teeth were previously extracted were looking good, and that she's not sure if the spur she had to file has shot up since or if the other vet never filed it in the first place, because the focus seemed to be on the one side of the mouth (which I think was the worst)

Since coming home she has been on metacam and ranitidine (today is her last day on medication). I've already seen vast improvements in her mood and agility. In fact, I came down at 7.00am this morning to find that she had somehow managed to open the latch on her hutch door from the inside and was enjoying some time in her run :lol: (there are two entrances to her hutch and one of them is a bunny business hexagon panel that I attached to the side with a little metal door with a latch. To open the door you have to flip the latch up and slide it across. Plumps is a clever bunny!)

She came running up to me and then proceeded to do laps around the run as if to say 'Look what I can do!'. It's the first time I've seen her running without her legs looking really stiff. She's even attempting to nibble grass now, although I'm not sure how much of it she's actually mananging to eat. I'm giving her those fibre sticks that MM recommended and she loves those.

Plumps wants to say hello to all of the lovely people on RU and thank you billions for the good vibes. It's hard to say if the worst if over just yet, but for today at least, I'm feeling really happy with her progress :)

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/966/41503387634_25f5b72183_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/26evHbS)20180520_073149 (https://flic.kr/p/26evHbS) by Rachel Brown (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150123870@N07/), on Flickr

Jack's-Jane
20-05-2018, 07:48 AM
So sorry for not updating this sooner everyone. As TheThreeB's predicted, I have been crazy busy. As I had to take Plumps to the vet three times last week (and pick her up after her op) I've been trying to catch up on my work and other stuff I've got behind on from such a broken up week.

So regarding Plumpkin:

The vet who operated on her (a different vet this time) said she had a long spur sticking into her tongue on the other side of her mouth this time. That was filed right back. She said the other side of the mouth where two teeth were previously extracted were looking good, and that she's not sure if the spur she had to file has shot up since or if the other vet never filed it in the first place, because the focus seemed to be on the one side of the mouth (which I think was the worst)

Since coming home she has been on metacam and ranitidine (today is her last day on medication). I've already seen vast improvements in her mood and agility. In fact, I came down at 7.00am this morning to find that she had somehow managed to open the latch on her hutch door from the inside and was enjoying some time in her run :lol: (there are two entrances to her hutch and one of them is a bunny business hexagon panel that I attached to the side with a little metal door with a latch. To open the door you have to flip the latch up and slide it across. Plumps is a clever bunny!)

She came running up to me and then proceeded to do laps around the run as if to say 'Look what I can do!'. It's the first time I've seen her running without her legs looking really stiff. She's even attempting to nibble grass now, although I'm not sure how much of it she's actually mananging to eat. I'm giving her those fibre sticks that MM recommended and she loves those.

Plumps wants to say hello to all of the lovely people on RU and thank you billions for the good vibes. It's hard to say if the worst if over just yet, but for today at least, I'm feeling really happy with her progress :)

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/966/41503387634_25f5b72183_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/26evHbS)20180520_073149 (https://flic.kr/p/26evHbS) by Rachel Brown (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150123870@N07/), on Flickr

It is such good news that Plumpkin is now doing a lot better. I really hope that her Dental problems can be successfully managed, you are obviously extremely vigilant about her condition. She has certainly found an A* home now :love:

Pippin'sMum
20-05-2018, 07:56 AM
Oh bless her, she looks good now and lovely to hear she's moving about well and enjoying life. You are such a kind person to care for her with all her problems xx

Craig 1965
20-05-2018, 08:01 AM
What a wonderful photo, and a marvellous update Beapig. Plumpkin looks so well in the phot above. Her posture is good and her shape also looks great considerng everything she has beeen through. She looks alert and tuning in to everthing. I too, have been as anxious as the Three B's about an update and have been sending vibes constantly - Plumpkin I must admit, is my favorite bun on here. She clearly is a bun who likes to work things out and that shows she is very keen to explore and more importantly happy to do so. I'm pleased the vet found the spur that seemed to be causing poor Plumpkin further pain and encouraging to hear that the previous surgery is healing well and doesn't appear to need reinvestigating at this point. It is very much a case of small steps with this young bun and what is encouraging is that she is responding and doing so, well. I am a firm believer in animals picking up on emotions that are shown towards them - in this case, Plumpkin is responding in (pardon the pun) - leaps and bounds. She truly deserves the love, care and healing you are giving her and Plumpkin is in my thoughts daily. A truly special bun in a special home. I hope that the weather gives her a chance to fully enjoy the wonderful life outside, but she is definately in the place she deserves with you. :love::love:

tonibun
20-05-2018, 09:42 AM
So pleased to hear the latest on Plumpkin. I too was a little worried. But she is looking bright and I hope you can have an easier week in order to keep up to date with everything.

Omi
20-05-2018, 09:45 AM
Good to see the update about Plumpkin and I'm pleased that she is improving.

joey&boo
20-05-2018, 10:05 AM
phew! Great update

nickybunny1
20-05-2018, 10:22 AM
I'm so relieved too! Well done beautiful Plumps, she looks so much brighter in her picture too. You have been amazing with her Beapig.

Zoobec
20-05-2018, 10:26 AM
Iím so relieved for you all :love:

MightyMax
20-05-2018, 10:52 AM
So sorry for not updating this sooner everyone. As TheThreeB's predicted, I have been crazy busy. As I had to take Plumps to the vet three times last week (and pick her up after her op) I've been trying to catch up on my work and other stuff I've got behind on from such a broken up week.

So regarding Plumpkin:

The vet who operated on her (a different vet this time) said she had a long spur sticking into her tongue on the other side of her mouth this time. That was filed right back. She said the other side of the mouth where two teeth were previously extracted were looking good, and that she's not sure if the spur she had to file has shot up since or if the other vet never filed it in the first place, because the focus seemed to be on the one side of the mouth (which I think was the worst)

Since coming home she has been on metacam and ranitidine (today is her last day on medication). I've already seen vast improvements in her mood and agility. In fact, I came down at 7.00am this morning to find that she had somehow managed to open the latch on her hutch door from the inside and was enjoying some time in her run :lol: (there are two entrances to her hutch and one of them is a bunny business hexagon panel that I attached to the side with a little metal door with a latch. To open the door you have to flip the latch up and slide it across. Plumps is a clever bunny!)

She came running up to me and then proceeded to do laps around the run as if to say 'Look what I can do!'. It's the first time I've seen her running without her legs looking really stiff. She's even attempting to nibble grass now, although I'm not sure how much of it she's actually mananging to eat. I'm giving her those fibre sticks that MM recommended and she loves those.

Plumps wants to say hello to all of the lovely people on RU and thank you billions for the good vibes. It's hard to say if the worst if over just yet, but for today at least, I'm feeling really happy with her progress :)

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/966/41503387634_25f5b72183_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/26evHbS)20180520_073149 (https://flic.kr/p/26evHbS) by Rachel Brown (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150123870@N07/), on Flickr


Thank you for your PM :wave:

Fibafirst sticks are a hit here too - I'm so glad she likes them :)
I am sure they will be good for her and her teeth.

It's a beautiful day and you have worked wonders with your Plumps. More vibes from me :love:

TheThreeB's
20-05-2018, 11:26 AM
Great stuff :) x

Leannean27
23-05-2018, 04:54 PM
Great update, makes me want a white bunny, she's beautiful :love:

Jack's-Jane
23-05-2018, 05:24 PM
Great update, makes me want a white bunny, she's beautiful :love:

Ruby

https://www.rabbitrescueandfriends.co.uk/available-animals/

Just sayin' !! :D

MightyMax
23-05-2018, 08:05 PM
Great update, makes me want a white bunny, she's beautiful :love:


Yes she is :love:

kattymieoww
23-05-2018, 09:00 PM
So pleased she's improving,topping up vibes.x

tulsi
24-05-2018, 06:45 PM
Brilliant. She must be so releived to to have a spur sticking into her tongue!

She is so pretty. I love white rabbits. I have two.

Craig 1965
24-05-2018, 07:37 PM
Sending topping up vibes for gorgeous Plumpkin and hope very much she is continung to improve.

Leannean27
24-05-2018, 09:17 PM
Ruby

https://www.rabbitrescueandfriends.co.uk/available-animals/

Just sayin' !! :D

Oh my :love: Don't do that to me! I would love a 3rd but my two aren't even done/ bonded yet. Once they're done: and if I feel there's something missing I'll definitely be looking into it I love reading about the trio bonds, loobers is doing so well atm it's even more encouraging

CometLucy195
24-05-2018, 09:50 PM
I can’t even look at more bunnies, I’m up to my limit of 6... glad Plumpkin is doing better xxx

tulsi
24-05-2018, 09:53 PM
I can’t even look at more bunnies, I’m up to my limit of 6... glad Plumpkin is doing better xxx

Thats my limit too.

Beapig
30-05-2018, 10:03 PM
I just wanted to update everyone and let you know that Plumpkin is thriving.

She's hopping around, her eyes are bright, she's eating plenty (even nibbling grass here and there) - visibly she has put on weight - I'm so happy for her. Hopefully it's ownwards and upwards from here, with the outcome of getting to live with Beatrice and Hamilton where she can be snuggled all of the time <3

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1734/42410443322_d2aa07ba5c_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/27BEBf3)20180530_193649 (https://flic.kr/p/27BEBf3) by Rachel Brown (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150123870@N07/), on Flickr

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/886/42410460562_aa5261a969_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/27BEGnh)20180530_193556 (https://flic.kr/p/27BEGnh) by Rachel Brown (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150123870@N07/), on Flickr

Thank you again everyone, for your constant support and well wishes. It feels like a very cruel world for animals sometimes, but Plumpkin is one of the lucky ones, and I'm so grateful to have this little character in my life.

Leannean27
30-05-2018, 10:07 PM
Hi Plumpkin! :wave: lovely to see her and hear she's doing so well :D

nickybunny1
30-05-2018, 11:12 PM
Brilliant update on your beautiful girl . She is stunning. Thank you so much for helping her x

MightyMax
30-05-2018, 11:33 PM
I just wanted to update everyone and let you know that Plumpkin is thriving.

She's hopping around, her eyes are bright, she's eating plenty (even nibbling grass here and there) - visibly she has put on weight - I'm so happy for her. Hopefully it's ownwards and upwards from here, with the outcome of getting to live with Beatrice and Hamilton where she can be snuggled all of the time <3

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1734/42410443322_d2aa07ba5c_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/27BEBf3)20180530_193649 (https://flic.kr/p/27BEBf3) by Rachel Brown (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150123870@N07/), on Flickr

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/886/42410460562_aa5261a969_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/27BEGnh)20180530_193556 (https://flic.kr/p/27BEGnh) by Rachel Brown (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150123870@N07/), on Flickr

Thank you again everyone, for your constant support and well wishes. It feels like a very cruel world for animals sometimes, but Plumpkin is one of the lucky ones, and I'm so grateful to have this little character in my life.


This is such a good update :D

I just looove her close up :love:

joey&boo
30-05-2018, 11:41 PM
fab update:love:

Craig 1965
31-05-2018, 06:06 AM
Wonderful update and I've been hoping every day that Plumpkin has been improving. Clearly she has and she is looking simply gorgeous. I love the 1 ear up 1 ear down pose. Great to read that she is eating well and she is thriving with the love you are giving her. She must feel so free and she is adjusting to that beautifully. Its a wonderful update and I'm looking forward to more as you get time. She is my favorite bun follow. She's just lovely.:love:

Omi
31-05-2018, 06:23 AM
Very pleased to read this update :D

loobers25
31-05-2018, 06:24 AM
What a wonderful update! Glad to see some good news this morning. Keep up the good work! Xx

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Zoobec
31-05-2018, 09:27 AM
Iím so glad she is doing so well:thumb:

kattymieoww
31-05-2018, 09:29 AM
Great news,she's looking well.:love:

Scrappy's Little Helper
31-05-2018, 09:35 AM
Aww I'm so pleased with how well she's doing. I often think about her and wonder how she's getting on. You've done an amazing job for her. She's such a lovely bunny she really deserves this wonderful new life you've been able to give her. xx


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tonibun
31-05-2018, 11:48 AM
What a great up-date. Hoorah for Plumpkin xx

Glingle
31-05-2018, 05:02 PM
A wonderful update x

tulsi
31-05-2018, 11:15 PM
Brilliant. She looks ever so well and contented.

Beapig
08-06-2018, 07:25 PM
I'm sorry to say that Plumpkin is unwell - grinding her teeth and off her food again. We'll be back to the vet with her asap.

It's feeling really hard to stay positive with her up and down like this. I've already spent close to £400 on her for vet bills, which is totally my responsibility having rescued her and I am bearing it, but the uncertainty of whether her quality of life will ever improve is draining.

I suspect another spur has grown and is causing her mouth pain. I'm anticipating another £100 dental operation. Please send good vibes to her. I feel really hopeless and ignorant, not knowing whether or not she's getting the right diet to keep her teeth in check. I don't feel very reassured by my vets, who haven't given me any advice on diet or aftercare at all beyond giving her medication. It almost makes me feel like her needs haven't been taken seriously because she's 'just a rabbit' or something?

P.s. thanks so much to Zoobec for sending me Readigrass in the post. I coated it in mushed banana to try and encourage her to eat it, but she just licked off the banana and left the grass :roll: My other two have already enjoyed a small portion so it won't go to waste, thanks so much for kimdly sending it to me <3

Craig 1965
08-06-2018, 09:57 PM
I'm saddened to read of this update with Plumpkin. I hope that the vet can identify the problem and take corrective action. Sending millions of vibes for the beautiful Plumpkin and hope that any procedure goes well for her. :love:

MightyMax
08-06-2018, 10:18 PM
I'm sorry to say that Plumpkin is unwell - grinding her teeth and off her food again. We'll be back to the vet with her asap.

It's feeling really hard to stay positive with her up and down like this. I've already spent close to £400 on her for vet bills, which is totally my responsibility having rescued her and I am bearing it, but the uncertainty of whether her quality of life will ever improve is draining.

I suspect another spur has grown and is causing her mouth pain. I'm anticipating another £100 dental operation. Please send good vibes to her. I feel really hopeless and ignorant, not knowing whether or not she's getting the right diet to keep her teeth in check. I don't feel very reassured by my vets, who haven't given me any advice on diet or aftercare at all beyond giving her medication. It almost makes me feel like her needs haven't been taken seriously because she's 'just a rabbit' or something?

P.s. thanks so much to Zoobec for sending me Readigrass in the post. I coated it in mushed banana to try and encourage her to eat it, but she just licked off the banana and left the grass :roll: My other two have already enjoyed a small portion so it won't go to waste, thanks so much for kimdly sending it to me <3


So sorry to hear this :(

I wish your vet could do conscious dentals, which would be very quick, no recovery time and only the cost of a consult. But maybe you don't feel that would be appropriate anyway.

You are far from hopeless and ignorant. You are giving her the best diet possible. If a rabbit doesn't eat hay/grass then it's very very likely that they can't and nothing you've done has contributed to the teeth issue. The teeth problem always comes first ...

My lovely vet wrote this blog:

http://www.twickenhamvets.com/rabbit-dental-problems-part-1-malocclusion-cheek-teeth/


You have been left with a legacy from someone who didn't really care for her properly and you are picking p the pieces. There's no shame to you and she's very lucky to have you caring so deeply for her little soul x

nickybunny1
08-06-2018, 10:39 PM
Sorry to hear this update on your beautiful Plumps and hope she can be made comfortable again. If you do not feel happy with your vet go to a different rabbit savy vet. Check out the vet reccommendations on Francis Harcourt Brown website who is a top rabbit (now retired) or post in rabbit chat asking for a vet reccommendation to where you are. I'm sure u know all this already. You are doing so much for her and have saved her already. Sending vibes for u both xx

CometLucy195
08-06-2018, 10:57 PM
I’m sorry to read that Plumps is struggling again, sending you and her lots of vibes. You were, and Still are, amazing to have taken her on. She’s much better off with you and no-one could be doing more. Hugs xx

Zoobec
08-06-2018, 11:19 PM
I’m sorry it took so long to send it to you :oops: it’s been one thing after the other and life just got in the way :oops: maybe she will enjoy it after the dental:thumb:

joey&boo
08-06-2018, 11:37 PM
I wish I knew how to support you better with Plumpkin. I do get the impression that many rabbit care givers do find their feet in managing re-occurring dental issues & it becomes less daunting in time. Big apologies if you've said but did Plumpkin have x rays when she had her dentals? I think these would be really useful in getting a better prognosis for Plumpkin. As I understand it in some dental conditions where there are tooth root problems , teeth can eventually stop growing. This isn't necessarily as horrendous as it sounds. Frances Harcourt-Brown (above mentioned retired specialist) did a few lectures for bunny owners & a lot of it was diet & dentistry). I'll try & find my notes again. Quite a few RU members were there - I'm hoping they can chip in. I'm sure Frances said that some dental buns live their lives feeding off the food we normally restrict (nuggets,grated pear & carrots) & whilst its not ideal it IS ok in these circumstances. Plumpkin gets forage & fibrafirst which I view as positive. I honestly feel as though grass & hay will never be viable options for her. More types of forage would probably be the best way forward. If you were to get just one lot of xrays you could ask your vet to run these past a specialist if he is not confident reading them himself

Jack's-Jane
09-06-2018, 04:27 AM
I'm sorry to say that Plumpkin is unwell - grinding her teeth and off her food again. We'll be back to the vet with her asap.

It's feeling really hard to stay positive with her up and down like this. I've already spent close to £400 on her for vet bills, which is totally my responsibility having rescued her and I am bearing it, but the uncertainty of whether her quality of life will ever improve is draining.

I suspect another spur has grown and is causing her mouth pain. I'm anticipating another £100 dental operation. Please send good vibes to her. I feel really hopeless and ignorant, not knowing whether or not she's getting the right diet to keep her teeth in check. I don't feel very reassured by my vets, who haven't given me any advice on diet or aftercare at all beyond giving her medication. It almost makes me feel like her needs haven't been taken seriously because she's 'just a rabbit' or something?

P.s. thanks so much to Zoobec for sending me Readigrass in the post. I coated it in mushed banana to try and encourage her to eat it, but she just licked off the banana and left the grass :roll: My other two have already enjoyed a small portion so it won't go to waste, thanks so much for kimdly sending it to me <3

With regards to her last Dental, please can you remind me if skull radiographs were taken ? If so what were the findings regarding her tooth roots and the general 'bone health' of her jaw ?

MightyMax
09-06-2018, 08:07 AM
I wish I knew how to support you better with Plumpkin. I do get the impression that many rabbit care givers do find their feet in managing re-occurring dental issues & it becomes less daunting in time. Big apologies if you've said but did Plumpkin have x rays when she had her dentals? I think these would be really useful in getting a better prognosis for Plumpkin. As I understand it in some dental conditions where there are tooth root problems , teeth can eventually stop growing. This isn't necessarily as horrendous as it sounds. Frances Harcourt-Brown (above mentioned retired specialist) did a few lectures for bunny owners & a lot of it was diet & dentistry). I'll try & find my notes again. Quite a few RU members were there - I'm hoping they can chip in. I'm sure Frances said that some dental buns live their lives feeding off the food we normally restrict (nuggets,grated pear & carrots) & whilst its not ideal it IS ok in these circumstances. Plumpkin gets forage & fibrafirst which I view as positive. I honestly feel as though grass & hay will never be viable options for her. More types of forage would probably be the best way forward. If you were to get just one lot of xrays you could ask your vet to run these past a specialist if he is not confident reading them himself


Yes I do agree with this :) And if the teeth have indeed stopped growing, then so long as you can keep the gut in good order (with fibre) then tooth wear doesn't become an issue. I've found using a food processor to grind down food so as to be eaten works well - yes, even with grass and forage!

I also agree that a set of X-rays (which you may well have already done) would be a good idea for the vet, and also for a second opinion if necessary. Sorry if you've already done all this :)

Omi
09-06-2018, 08:28 AM
Sending lots more vibes for Plumpkin. I was also wondering about x-rays, but I seem to think you had these done at one of the early consultations:? I hope that you can find a way of managing her dental issues.

Beapig
09-06-2018, 05:29 PM
Thank you so much everyone for your support, advice and kind words. As a summarised response to what everyone has said:

We have not had her mouth x-rayed - this was never something brought up or suggested by the three different vets she has seen at all, which seems really bad given how many of you think this should be a given (and it makes sense to me completely)

As mentioned above, over the course of two operations and a multitude of checkups, we have seen three different vets.

The first vet we ever saw with her, a younger guy, thought that her mouth wasn't bad at all and told me we could wait up to a month for a dental because she had just been vaccinated. I ended up taking her back only a few days later because I knew he was wrong - then I saw our regular vet who we usually see for Ham & Bea and our cat - he could see immediately that her mouth was in poor shape and her jaw was disfigured. This is something he worriedly stated without any x-rays - just from looking at her mouth and her jaw from the outside. He then told us that we needed a next day emergency operation, but that it probably wouldn't be him doing it.

The operation was done by the young vet, who quickly changed his tune, describing her mouth as a 'car crash' - he removed two teeth. Then she was on metacam and meds to stimulate her gut. I saw yet another vet for her checkup, who had an attitude with me because of her poor condition - I soon set her straight and told her I had rescued her only weeks previously from awful conditions. It seemed really bad to me that this information had not been passed on, despite having told the other two vets about her backstory in a lot of detail.

3 weeks ish later and I took her back because she seemed to be going downhill again. This time she was operated on by the young female vet, who said she filed down another sharp spur jabbing into her tongue, but that she didn't know if this had grown back since or was never filed by the young male vet in the first place. Which once again does NOT fill me with confidence, because I feel like this information should be logged along the way.

I think about another 3-4 weeks have gone by and she's looking frail again. I'm going to call up first thing on Monday, and ask specifically for the more experienced vet if possible. Out of the three, he fills me with the most confidence. Should I ask him for an x-ray - does it need to be done while she is unconscious?

I don't mind spending the money to make her better at all, but I do WISH that I felt more faith in the vets who are seeing to her. Not once have I been given any advice on diet or aftercare in general. I do feel like because she's 'just a rabbit', they're not as thorough as they would be with a dog or a cat. Maybe I'm just being very cynical, but it does seem that way. Hard to feel positive about it all at this point :(

Jack's-Jane
09-06-2018, 05:41 PM
Thank you so much everyone for your support, advice and kind words. As a summarised response to what everyone has said:

We have not had her mouth x-rayed - this was never something brought up or suggested by the three different vets she has seen at all, which seems really bad given how many of you think this should be a given (and it makes sense to me completely)

As mentioned above, over the course of two operations and a multitude of checkups, we have seen three different vets.

The first vet we ever saw with her, a younger guy, thought that her mouth wasn't bad at all and told me we could wait up to a month for a dental because she had just been vaccinated. I ended up taking her back only a few days later because I knew he was wrong - then I saw our regular vet who we usually see for Ham & Bea and our cat - he could see immediately that her mouth was in poor shape and her jaw was disfigured. This is something he worriedly stated without any x-rays - just from looking at her mouth and her jaw from the outside. He then told us that we needed a next day emergency operation, but that it probably wouldn't be him doing it.

The operation was done by the young vet, who quickly changed his tune, describing her mouth as a 'car crash' - he removed two teeth. Then she was on metacam and meds to stimulate her gut. I saw yet another vet for her checkup, who had an attitude with me because of her poor condition - I soon set her straight and told her I had rescued her only weeks previously from awful conditions. It seemed really bad to me that this information had not been passed on, despite having told the other two vets about her backstory in a lot of detail.

3 weeks ish later and I took her back because she seemed to be going downhill again. This time she was operated on by the young female vet, who said she filed down another sharp spur jabbing into her tongue, but that she didn't know if this had grown back since or was never filed by the young male vet in the first place. Which once again does NOT fill me with confidence, because I feel like this information should be logged along the way.

I think about another 3-4 weeks have gone by and she's looking frail again. I'm going to call up first thing on Monday, and ask specifically for the more experienced vet if possible. Out of the three, he fills me with the most confidence. Should I ask him for an x-ray - does it need to be done while she is unconscious?

I don't mind spending the money to make her better at all, but I do WISH that I felt more faith in the vets who are seeing to her. Not once have I been given any advice on diet or aftercare in general. I do feel like because she's 'just a rabbit', they're not as thorough as they would be with a dog or a cat. Maybe I'm just being very cynical, but it does seem that way. Hard to feel positive about it all at this point :(

Skull radiographs have to be done under GA. Given what you have said about your doubts about the Vets you are currently consulting have you considered going elsewhere or requesting that your current Vets refer Plumpkin to a Specialist.

As her teeth sound to be in a real mess I would not be surprised if Xrays revealed some issues with tooth roots. Is her jaw line lumpy to feel ?

Has Plumpkin been on antibiotics at all ?

You may have already seen these links, but I'll post them again just incase :

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/685f/6295965e01a2b2bf90b744f9c068d43bfae8.pdf

http://www.medirabbit.com/EN/Dental_diseases/Differential/Rabbit_dentistry.pdf

https://www.vetstream.com/treat/lapis/freeform/dental-malocclusion-overgrowth

Finally, this image shows what sort of problems can be identified from skull xrays

https://i.imgur.com/tB8kdlE.jpg

MightyMax
09-06-2018, 05:54 PM
Thank you so much everyone for your support, advice and kind words. As a summarised response to what everyone has said:

We have not had her mouth x-rayed - this was never something brought up or suggested by the three different vets she has seen at all, which seems really bad given how many of you think this should be a given (and it makes sense to me completely)

As mentioned above, over the course of two operations and a multitude of checkups, we have seen three different vets.

The first vet we ever saw with her, a younger guy, thought that her mouth wasn't bad at all and told me we could wait up to a month for a dental because she had just been vaccinated. I ended up taking her back only a few days later because I knew he was wrong - then I saw our regular vet who we usually see for Ham & Bea and our cat - he could see immediately that her mouth was in poor shape and her jaw was disfigured. This is something he worriedly stated without any x-rays - just from looking at her mouth and her jaw from the outside. He then told us that we needed a next day emergency operation, but that it probably wouldn't be him doing it.

The operation was done by the young vet, who quickly changed his tune, describing her mouth as a 'car crash' - he removed two teeth. Then she was on metacam and meds to stimulate her gut. I saw yet another vet for her checkup, who had an attitude with me because of her poor condition - I soon set her straight and told her I had rescued her only weeks previously from awful conditions. It seemed really bad to me that this information had not been passed on, despite having told the other two vets about her backstory in a lot of detail.

3 weeks ish later and I took her back because she seemed to be going downhill again. This time she was operated on by the young female vet, who said she filed down another sharp spur jabbing into her tongue, but that she didn't know if this had grown back since or was never filed by the young male vet in the first place. Which once again does NOT fill me with confidence, because I feel like this information should be logged along the way.

I think about another 3-4 weeks have gone by and she's looking frail again. I'm going to call up first thing on Monday, and ask specifically for the more experienced vet if possible. Out of the three, he fills me with the most confidence. Should I ask him for an x-ray - does it need to be done while she is unconscious?

I don't mind spending the money to make her better at all, but I do WISH that I felt more faith in the vets who are seeing to her. Not once have I been given any advice on diet or aftercare in general. I do feel like because she's 'just a rabbit', they're not as thorough as they would be with a dog or a cat. Maybe I'm just being very cynical, but it does seem that way. Hard to feel positive about it all at this point :(


I am sorry that in addition to all her problems, you've had an ongoing saga with vets. They should support you, but in fairness to them, they can only go on what is evident to them at the time. I have had three different vets say three different things concerning the same rabbit so it happens probably more than we think.

I tend to find a vet I can trust and stick with that one. I would ask the the experienced vet and if at all possible, just stick to the one vet and make notes of what he says and what he does.

I am surprised that an X-ray wasn't done before the operation on her jaw - have you asked and been told that no X-ray was ever done of her skull? Sadly she would need sedating for skull radiographs. This doesn't mean a full blown GA, but there will be a bit of recovery time. Let your experienced vet decide if it's worth putting her through this at this point.

I don't know whether consulting another vet is an option for you - maybe choices are limited? I have travelled 2/3 hours (6 hour round trip) when needs be to see a specialist. Not something to be undertaken lightly and may not be possible for you, but it certainly can solve a few issues all at once.

Good luck xx

Beapig
09-06-2018, 06:50 PM
I'll have to look and see if there are any rabbit specialists in my area. Unfortunately trying another practice isn't a viable option for me unless absolutely necessary - I haven't learnt to drive yet, and whilst it is something I'm saving up for and want to achieve by the end of the year, it isn't going to happen overnight :( My current practice is within 10 - 15 minutes walking distance.

Whenever I call up to book an appointment I'm never even told by the receptionist who I'm going to see - I guess it depends who is there on the day. It's a very small practice, so usually there will only be one vet and one receptionist in at a time. If it's a matter of urgency (which it always has been with Plumpkin) I can't really wait to see my preferred vet if you see what I mean.

If x-rays were taken, it isn't something I've been informed of. So I'm going to assume not.

Jack's Jane, she has been on antibiotics straight after her first operation, but not since then. I'll have to give her jaw a feel and see if it's lumpy. Such a worry indeed :(

Beapig
10-06-2018, 07:39 PM
I don't know if this is a good idea or not, but I think I might bring up spaying Plumpkin when I take her to the vet tomorrow. I've moved her the closest she's ever been to Ham & Bea this evening because she just seemed so depressed, and honestly this is the most active and alive I've ever seen her

Rabbits are of course social creatures, and Beatrice & Hamilton's moods both inproved so much after they were bonded - Beatrice went from being timid to outgoing and Ham from frustrated to really relaxed.

Hamilton also learnt that hay was edible from Beatrice, so whilst being with other bunnies may not be a miracle cure for Plumpkin, it could encourage her to have a better appetite.

What does everyone think?

tonibun
10-06-2018, 08:37 PM
Hopefully being nearer Ham and Bea will cheer her up a bit as long as it doesn't upset them. Only you can tell really. I hope things get easier for you. xx

Beapig
11-06-2018, 06:04 PM
I just wanted to update everyone on Plumpkin. The vet said she's doing great - she has put on over 1lb since we last took her about a month ago. She's going to be spayed tomorrow and they'll check her teeth when she's under and file again if necessary. I'm really pleased that he was happy with her progress and hope she recovers quickly from her spay, so she can live out her days with Ham & Bea :)

On that note, Beatrice escaped today and we found her hanging out with Plumpkin! It seems she was desperate to spend some time with her new friend :lol:

Zoobec
11-06-2018, 06:08 PM
I’m glad that the vet was pleased with her :thumb: is she eating any better now?

joey&boo
11-06-2018, 06:12 PM
I just wanted to update everyone on Plumpkin. The vet said she's doing great - she has put on over 1lb since we last took her about a month ago. She's going to be spayed tomorrow and they'll check her teeth when she's under and file again if necessary. I'm really pleased that he was happy with her progress and hope she recovers quickly from her spay, so she can live out her days with Ham & Bea :)

On that note, Beatrice escaped today and we found her hanging out with Plumpkin! It seems she was desperate to spend some time with her new friend :lol:

thats so lovely you found the girls spending time together. Bodes well for an easy bond too & heaven nows you all deserve that. I hope her spay goes well x

Omi
11-06-2018, 06:12 PM
I'm also glad that the vet was pleased with her. Did you also discuss skull x-rays? Are you happy with the vet who will be performing her spay?

Sending loads of vibes for her tomorrow.

Jack's-Jane
11-06-2018, 06:13 PM
Sending lots of vibes for her op' tomorrow xx

MightyMax
11-06-2018, 06:14 PM
I just wanted to update everyone on Plumpkin. The vet said she's doing great - she has put on over 1lb since we last took her about a month ago. She's going to be spayed tomorrow and they'll check her teeth when she's under and file again if necessary. I'm really pleased that he was happy with her progress and hope she recovers quickly from her spay, so she can live out her days with Ham & Bea :)

On that note, Beatrice escaped today and we found her hanging out with Plumpkin! It seems she was desperate to spend some time with her new friend :lol:


Loads of vibes for her :love:

Beapig
11-06-2018, 06:32 PM
Thank you everyone! <3

I did ask about skull x-rays Omi, and the vet I saw today (who is my favourite/who I trust the most) didn't think it was worth getting x-rays, he said it wouldn't change much as they'll just file as and when needed, but maybe that suggests that his knowledge about rabbit teeth isn't as advanced as some :/

He did say that he thinks her previous owner misinformed me and that she's more likely 'middle aged' than a 1 year old! It's impossible to tell I suppose.

Zoobec, she is eating better since being closer to the other two bunnies - it has generally brightened her mood and given her more energy, which is really promising :D

Craig 1965
11-06-2018, 07:47 PM
What lovely news about Plumpkin. It's lovely that she is gaining weight and flourishing with her new friends and with you. It's important to realise Plumpkin needs time to adjust and she's clearly feeling comfortable and importantly safe with you. Sending millions of vibes for her spay op and I'll be thinking of her all day. And you are a real hero for everything you are doing for Plumpkin.

Jack's-Jane
12-06-2018, 04:19 AM
Just dropping by to top up the vibes for Plumpkin today xx