Drooling/Wet chin and chest post dental (spurs)? - U/D Getting better

~ILoveMyBunny~ · Dec 19, 2017

Please forgive me if this an obvious thing but this is my first experience having a dental bun and only the second dental he's had so I'm not familiar with it all yet..
Pixel had his second dental (spurs) today (7 months after his first.. Not sure that's a great sign for the future as he's only just over two and a half). The vet did say that though they were bad they didn't have to be done yet (I'd asked her to check about 10 days ago when he went in for his RHD2 vaccination as I suspected something wasn't right and unfortunately the suspicion was confirmed.. We left it for a bit but when he became picky with food at the weekend booked him in) but that they could well need doing over the holidays so we decided to get it done.

He's been home a little over 3hrs now (not eaten yet though did pick at the hay - he ate a very small amount earlier prior to being discharged but not much), though I'm not too concerned just yet as it's still early. He's left a couple of droppings but he's pretty sleepy.
What I am slightly worried about is that he's very wet. His chin was damp when we brought him home but now it's all of his chest as well. Is this normal just after a dental? He wasn't dribbling at all prior to the dental and though I imagine a little might possibly be normal he seems quite wet.
This didn't happen after his first (spurs were worse the first time) but I don't know if it's considered normal or if I should be worried and phoning the vet back?
Thanks

Jack's-Jane · Dec 19, 2017

~ILoveMyBunny~ said:
Please forgive me if this an obvious thing but this is my first experience having a dental bun and only the second dental he's had so I'm not familiar with it all yet..
Pixel had his second dental (spurs) today (7 months after his first.. Not sure that's a great sign for the future as he's only just over two and a half). The vet did say that though they were bad they didn't have to be done yet (I'd asked her to check about 10 days ago when he went in for his RHD2 vaccination as I suspected something wasn't right and unfortunately the suspicion was confirmed.. We left it for a bit but when he became picky with food at the weekend booked him in) but that they could well need doing over the holidays so we decided to get it done.

He's been home a little over 3hrs now (not eaten yet though did pick at the hay - he ate a very small amount earlier prior to being discharged but not much), though I'm not too concerned just yet as it's still early. He's left a couple of droppings but he's pretty sleepy.
What I am slightly worried about is that he's very wet. His chin was damp when we brought him home but now it's all of his chest as well. Is this normal just after a dental? He wasn't dribbling at all prior to the dental and though I imagine a little might possibly be normal he seems quite wet.
This didn't happen after his first (spurs were worse the first time) but I don't know if it's considered normal or if I should be worried and phoning the vet back?
Thanks

Did the Vet say if there was any soft tissue damage in his mouth ? I would give the Vet a call as it is not really 'normal' for a Rabbit to drool excessively after a Dental.

~ILoveMyBunny~ · Dec 19, 2017

Thank you so much for the quick reply Jane xx

I spoke to the nurse and she didn't say anything other than that they were quite bad but not as bad as last time. He's booked for a recheck with a nurse tomorrow at 3pm.
I've just been to check on him and his chest has actually dried off now and started to fluff back. His chin/mouth area still looks quite wet visually but doesn't seem to be too wet feeling it so I think it's drying out?
I just missed the vet, though I can still call VetsNow if necessary? (though rabbit knowledge is of course going to depend on the vet on duty at the time)
Or should I see how he goes over the next hour or two? Aside from being sleepy he seems to be coping well otherwise and he is going to be seen tomorrow, but I don't want to leave him if it could be dangerous to him to do so.

I'm sorry to be a pain with all this again. As I say, I'm just not sure what's 'normal' and what isn't with dentals.

Omi · Dec 19, 2017

How is he now? From what I can remember with a dental rabbit, I don't think I experienced this after the dental, but certainly did before.

If it seems that it is drying up and he seems to be OK in himself now, I think I would leave it until tomorrow when at least he is due to be seen again. And it didn't seem to ring any alarm bells when you spoke to the vet nurse.

Sending him lots of vibes.

daphnephoebe · Dec 19, 2017

Phoebe done this after her 2nd dental too.
Her 2nd one wasn't as bad as the first, but she acted like it was much worse.

After about 5 hours post dental she dried up so to speak and began eating. (She was being syringe fed during this time) We put it down to being sleeping, and the fact that her mouth has been played around with... the roots will feel the vibrations from the machine they use so it can be a bit uncomfortable afterwards.

Her 3rd dental she was fine afterwards. (She was having them every 6 weeks).

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MightyMax · Dec 19, 2017

~ILoveMyBunny~ said:
Please forgive me if this an obvious thing but this is my first experience having a dental bun and only the second dental he's had so I'm not familiar with it all yet..
Pixel had his second dental (spurs) today (7 months after his first.. Not sure that's a great sign for the future as he's only just over two and a half). The vet did say that though they were bad they didn't have to be done yet (I'd asked her to check about 10 days ago when he went in for his RHD2 vaccination as I suspected something wasn't right and unfortunately the suspicion was confirmed.. We left it for a bit but when he became picky with food at the weekend booked him in) but that they could well need doing over the holidays so we decided to get it done.

He's been home a little over 3hrs now (not eaten yet though did pick at the hay - he ate a very small amount earlier prior to being discharged but not much), though I'm not too concerned just yet as it's still early. He's left a couple of droppings but he's pretty sleepy.
What I am slightly worried about is that he's very wet. His chin was damp when we brought him home but now it's all of his chest as well. Is this normal just after a dental? He wasn't dribbling at all prior to the dental and though I imagine a little might possibly be normal he seems quite wet.
This didn't happen after his first (spurs were worse the first time) but I don't know if it's considered normal or if I should be worried and phoning the vet back?
Thanks

Hi there :wave:

Sorry I wasn't here earlier to reply to you. I've just made a vet visit that has taken over four hours to get the specialist we needed for my very poorly young boy

With dentals it all depends on what's going on in the mouth. I had a vet do a dental on one of my rabbits and from the minute he came home he was drooling

It could be a sign that something else is going on (have you a *very* good vet?) or that he's pain. Pain can be caused by trying to eat on teeth that have been jangled on edge by dental equipment, or it could be soft tissue damage. You would have to take him back if you suspect the latter, as he would possibly need antibiotics if it's set up an infection.

I would take him back to the vet anyway if he's drooling. I would say not an emergency, but if he's still drooling tomorrow morning definitely think about taking him back. In short, it's not normal

~ILoveMyBunny~ · Dec 19, 2017

Sorry for the late reply, haven't been able to get to the computer.
Thank you all for replying.
I'm regretting not calling while the vet was still open but I wasn't sure how 'normal' it might be (he was a bit wet when I picked him up so they must have seen it at the time).
He's not right but I can't quite put my finger on it. He's still very sleepy and he's also running away from me which isn't normal, though he could be fearing that I'll take him back to the vet, which is more consistant with him (and every one of them for that matter). There's something I can't put my finger on and it's bothering me. I'm torn between contacting VetsNow or calling first thing in the morning, but I will definitely not be waiting until his 3pm appointment.
Problem is my Mum shouldn't be driving tonight so I only want to use VetsNow as an absolute emergency solution.
He's also still not eating. There are a few droppings but not many. I just gave him some fibreplex as instructed but he's not due for metacam until 12 tomorrow.
He's still damp/wet under his chin. His chest seems to have mostly dried out but his mouth/chin area haven't.

This could be my imagination but when I felt his lips to give him the fibreplex they didn't feel as soft as usual. I'm not sure if he was trying to clamp them closed or if they could be slightly swollen, but they were stiffer (if that makes sense?), something I haven't encountered before with even the most reluctant rabbits. Could that be indicative of something?

I suppose possibly soft tissue damage could be the most likely? Problem is I'm booked in with another vet tomorrow, not my normal one, and while he is a good vet (he looked after my dog very well and he saved Snowflake's life) his rabbit knowledge isn't the same as my normal vet (no disrespect to him, he's a wonderful vet and a friendly person). I don't know if my normal vet is on at all tomorrow but I suspect not. She did mention she was going away..
He wasn't drooling before the dentals so I don't know.. I hope it isn't something like tooth roots. Having three of the others in for their vaccinations tomorrow afternoon doesn't help cost wise if he needs an x-ray or something

Why is it always everything at once..
I'm guessing he'll need antibiotics and very close monitoring if it's soft tissue damage. I assume that that could also potentially develop into an abscess?

I feel so guilty putting him through that. He's got such a sad little face

I'm so sorry about your little one, MightyMax!

I hope he's doing better?
It wasn't your little one that had the accident was it?
Thinking of you xx

MightyMax · Dec 19, 2017

~ILoveMyBunny~ said:
Sorry for the late reply, haven't been able to get to the computer.
Thank you all for replying.
I'm regretting not calling while the vet was still open but I wasn't sure how 'normal' it might be (he was a bit wet when I picked him up so they must have seen it at the time).
He's not right but I can't quite put my finger on it. He's still very sleepy and he's also running away from me which isn't normal, though he could be fearing that I'll take him back to the vet, which is more consistant with him (and every one of them for that matter). There's something I can't put my finger on and it's bothering me. I'm torn between contacting VetsNow or calling first thing in the morning, but I will definitely not be waiting until his 3pm appointment.
Problem is my Mum shouldn't be driving tonight so I only want to use VetsNow as an absolute emergency solution.
He's also still not eating. There are a few droppings but not many. I just gave him some fibreplex as instructed but he's not due for metacam until 12 tomorrow.
He's still damp/wet under his chin. His chest seems to have mostly dried out but his mouth/chin area haven't.

This could be my imagination but when I felt his lips to give him the fibreplex they didn't feel as soft as usual. I'm not sure if he was trying to clamp them closed or if they could be slightly swollen, but they were stiffer (if that makes sense?), something I haven't encountered before with even the most reluctant rabbits. Could that be indicative of something?

I suppose possibly soft tissue damage could be the most likely? Problem is I'm booked in with another vet tomorrow, not my normal one, and while he is a good vet (he looked after my dog very well and he saved Snowflake's life) his rabbit knowledge isn't the same as my normal vet (no disrespect to him, he's a wonderful vet and a friendly person). I don't know if my normal vet is on at all tomorrow but I suspect not. She did mention she was going away..
He wasn't drooling before the dentals so I don't know.. I hope it isn't something like tooth roots. Having three of the others in for their vaccinations tomorrow afternoon doesn't help cost wise if he needs an x-ray or something Why is it always everything at once..
I'm guessing he'll need antibiotics and very close monitoring if it's soft tissue damage. I assume that that could also potentially develop into an abscess?

I feel so guilty putting him through that. He's got such a sad little face

I'm so sorry about your little one, MightyMax! I hope he's doing better?
It wasn't your little one that had the accident was it?
Thinking of you xx

Try not to torture yourself, as you will need some rest tonight to think with a clear head. The swollen lips might be because of the way his mouth was forced open for the dental procedure.

If he's sleepy - what painkiller did the vet use, is it on your receipt? Vetergesic/buprenorphine cam make them sleepy.

If he needs an X-ray, they wouldn't do it this evening. Perhaps you can gain a bit of perspective, and watch his behaviour tonight and make some notes as to exactly how he's behaving?

Thanks for your good wishes for my bun. We could discuss over PM, as I don't want to derail your thread here - it's very important x

~ILoveMyBunny~ · Dec 20, 2017

On way to vet now so will update more when I get home.
I'm afraid I can't report much good with Pixel. I think the drooling might have stopped or at the very least slowed as he's only slightly damp now but he hasn't eaten anything.
Will update again when I'm home

nickybunny1 · Dec 20, 2017

Sending vibes for your little one x

~ILoveMyBunny~ · Dec 20, 2017

nickybunny1 said:
Sending vibes for your little one x

Thank you xx

Unfortunately but as expected he's been admitted.
The only thing that worries me is that my normal vet is now on holiday so I can't see her again with him. The other vet that I mentioned before isn't in either. They seem to only have one vet on today and with the greatest respect to him as he seems a nice person I'm not completely confident.. Aside from the fact he's a bit heavy handed with rabbits (he's been rough with Pixel in the past, chucking him on scales etc and today he shoved the otoscope in his mouth) he also completely missed mites on two of the other rabbits when they had fur mites. One was pretty clear, I could see them crawling around and pointed them out and he couldn't see them at all. So how much he might miss in other areas I don't know.
He says he can't see anything wrong with the mouth. He's put him on a drip, painkillers, emeprid etc and critical care.
I'll see how he goes today but if he hasn't picked up tonight I'm thinking I'd like to get another opinion on his mouth. Does anyone happen to know of a good rabbit savvy vet somewhere near the hampshire/surrey boarder? If necessary we don't mind travelling a bit.
I know Gill Tose of Windlesham was recommended to me before, though of course she may not even be in which would be another problem.
What would I have to do to get a second opinion? Do I need to tell my vet or can I take him along to be seen by another? I know they can't prescribe anything without checking with my vet but if he's still bad when he comes home later then I'd rather have an expert eye on it. I don't want to offend my vet surgery though like I don't trust them. I just feel that if he's still bad later he might need someone with more experience to really check that there hasn't been anything like soft tissue damage etc.
It's very frustrating not knowing what's going on or what to do.
Poor little thing looked so upset today, like "why have you brought me back here again" - made me feel terrible

I've got to phone back at 3pm

Edit: Forgot to mention earlier, he only had a few droppings in there by this morning (10 might be generous) though he had wet (in his water bowl *facepalms*) - however the two droppings underneath him were small, mishapen and a little 'stasis' looking.

MightyMax · Dec 20, 2017

~ILoveMyBunny~ said:
Thank you xx

Unfortunately but as expected he's been admitted. They asked me to phone at 3pm but I'm up at 3pm anyway as three of the others all have vaccinations. I almost cancelled them as the cost is really mounting now and I'm worried about dealing with it but I can't have them unprotected.
The only thing that worries me is that my normal vet is now on holiday so I can't see her again with him. The other vet that I mentioned before isn't in either. They seem to only have one vet on today and with the greatest respect to him as he seems a nice person I'm not completely confident.. Aside from the fact he's a bit heavy handed with rabbits (he's been rough with Pixel in the past, chucking him on scales etc and today he shoved the otoscope in his mouth) he also completely missed mites on two of the other rabbits when they had fur mites. One was pretty clear, I could see them crawling around and pointed them out and he couldn't see them at all. So how much he might miss in other areas I don't know.
He says he can't see anything wrong with the mouth. He's put him on a drip, painkillers, emeprid etc and critical care.
I'll see how he goes today but if he hasn't picked up tonight I'm thinking I'd like to get another opinion on his mouth. Does anyone happen to know of a good rabbit savvy vet somewhere near the hampshire/surrey boarder? If necessary we don't mind travelling a bit.
I know Gill Tose of Windlesham was recommended to me before, though of course she may not even be in which would be another problem.
What would I have to do to get a second opinion? Do I need to tell my vet or can I take him along to be seen by another? I know they can't prescribe anything without checking with my vet but if he's still bad when he comes home later then I'd rather have an expert eye on it. I don't want to offend my vet surgery though like I don't trust them. I just feel that if he's still bad later he might need someone with more experience to really check that there hasn't been anything like soft tissue damage etc.
It's very frustrating not knowing what's going on or what to do.
Poor little thing looked so upset today, like "why have you brought me back here again" - made me feel terrible

Edit: Forgot to mention earlier, he only had a few droppings in there by this morning (10 might be generous) though he had wet (in his water bowl *facepalms*) - however the two droppings underneath him were small, mishapen and a little 'stasis' looking.

So sorry to read this

To cover your points ... I would get your rabbit eating again, despite the heavy-handed vet. If there's drooling then it needs an explanation but maybe he hasn't got the expertise with rabbits to think outside the box.

You are looking for a second opinion vet ...

Start another thread in Rabbit Chat with the header:

Rabbit Savvy Vet needed in (your location)

...and members will help you out with their recommendations.

Alternatively you could look here:

https://www.harcourt-brown.co.uk/vetfinder/vets-owners-recommendations

http://rabbitwelfare.co.uk/rabbit-care-advice/rabbit-friendly-vets/rabbit-friendly-vet-list/

... people may miss your request in the body of your text here.

Gillian is very good, and if you can get there and she has an appointment then I would take it. You don't have to do anything, as Gill will request the history from your vet. It's quite normal, especially if you explain that your regular vet/s are not there and you really need a savvy one very soon.

Lots of hugs xx

~ILoveMyBunny~ · Dec 20, 2017

Thank you so much, MightyMax

That makes me feel a lot better.
Yes, that's why I was happy they were putting him on a drip today and sorting some meds. Hopefully it'll give him the boost he needs.
What I'll do then is see how he is at 3pm and pick him up when they think he's ready to come home, see how he is overnight. If he's no better by tomorrow I'll phone and see if it's at all possible to see Gill Tose. Turns out she's closer than I thought, only 17 minutes according to google maps.
If she's not in then I'll come back and look to see if I can find another.
Looking at the RWAF list John Chitty isn't a huge distance. Not ideal - A good 40-45 minutes but could be another option if he's available. I imagine he's quite a busy vet though.

The other three have had their vaccinations put to Friday now as they have only one vet at the moment as one's on holiday and the other is ill, so theyr'e a bit overloaded. That actually suits me better anyway as it gives me time to focus on Pixel.

MightyMax · Dec 20, 2017

~ILoveMyBunny~ said:
Thank you so much, MightyMax That makes me feel a lot better.
Yes, that's why I was happy they were putting him on a drip today and sorting some meds. Hopefully it'll give him the boost he needs.
What I'll do then is see how he is at 3pm and pick him up when they think he's ready to come home, see how he is overnight. If he's no better by tomorrow I'll phone and see if it's at all possible to see Gill Tose. Turns out she's closer than I thought, only 17 minutes according to google maps.
If she's not in then I'll come back and look to see if I can find another.
Looking at the RWAF list John Chitty isn't a huge distance. Not ideal - A good 40-45 minutes but could be another option if he's available. I imagine he's quite a busy vet though.

The other three have had their vaccinations put to Friday now as they have only one vet at the moment as one's on holiday and the other is ill, so theyr'e a bit overloaded. That actually suits me better anyway as it gives me time to focus on Pixel.

That sounds like a very good plan

Omi · Dec 20, 2017

Thinking of you and sending vibes for Pixel. I hope that he improves during the day with the support from the vets.

Zoobec · Dec 20, 2017

Sending lots of vibes for Pixel xx

~ILoveMyBunny~ · Dec 20, 2017

Thank you all xx

Just spoken to the vet on the phone. I was worried when the nurse said the vet wanted to talk to me.
Pixel isn't eating. He's had some critical care by syringe but not interested in any food offered.
He's asked for permission to do bloods (glucose) and an ultrasound which I said yes to and asked me to call back at 5pm

Omi · Dec 20, 2017

What a worry

I hope that the bloods and ultrasound don't identify anything anything additional going on and that it is just taking Pixel longer to recover from his dental.

MightyMax · Dec 20, 2017

~ILoveMyBunny~ said:
Thank you all xx

Just spoken to the vet on the phone. I was worried when the nurse said the vet wanted to talk to me.
Pixel isn't eating. He's had some critical care by syringe but not interested in any food offered.
He's asked for permission to do bloods (glucose) and an ultrasound which I said yes to and asked me to call back at 5pm

I'm glad they are doing those two things. Rule out a blockage - have they said what his temperature is at all?

~ILoveMyBunny~ · Dec 20, 2017

I'm guessing it's going to come back that he's in stasis.. I was thinking about it earlier anyway as it was only on reflection that I realised I'd missed a vital clue - he was laying down a lot early hours of this morning and looking uncomfortable; getting up, layig back down, stretching out. I was putting it down to dental pain but on reflection it was more like a stasis sign. That coupled with the not eating, the two small mishapen droppings..
He must have been stressed out by it all yesterday

They did have a barking dog apparently and he's not good with strange noises (though I did have a dog myself until last January and he barked a lot so he may be somewhat used to it? I guess all dogs sound different though)
Stupid idiot I am, I've seen enough stasis to know what it looks like. I hadn't slept the night before either worrying about the upcoming dental and I think that's why I wasn't taking it all in properly. Thankfully he's already on the right track treatment wise (well, assuming it's gas and not actually a blockage) but there are never guarantees.
I'm desperate to know what the glucose test has come out as. That only takes minutes, having to wait two hours is agonizing.
No, they haven't said anything about his temperature yet and he didn't take it while I was there. I'll add that to my list of things to ask.

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