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binkyCodie
11-05-2017, 11:28 AM
things were actually going really good with the rabbits. the pair of them seem to get along almost fine, unless there is food involved and then they wish to actually murder one another. but apart from that they've been best buds and good as gold :D

Snoopy was doing good also. we are keeping him on 0.6ml Randitine x3/day and 0.5 metacam x1/day for a week and then start lowering the dose. we want to find the lowest dose he can cope on for the randitine, and hopefully wean him off of metacam altogether. she wouldn't want him to be on randitine all his life at the age of two.. but its needed to keep him eating and to have no dental issues hopefully. they can however become used to it so in later life if we need it for an emergency it may be more difficult. metacam she doesn't want him on at all.

yesterday i was even happier as the pair of them had only wee'd in their litter trays! half the time Luna wees everywhere and what should be a 10 minute job turns into 30 mins just to soak up pee which is all over the base. however her blanket, cushion were all dry so i was super happy. snoopy however decided to pee on his blanket.

and then.. last night things started going wrong. Snoopy isn't really eating, moving, drinking etc. he has been hardly drinking for a while. 600ml bottle, he maybe drinks 1/3 of that in three days. luna gives me 2/3 days and her water is all gone. I've tried bowls and bottles, and offer him both at the same time. but the bowl isnt touched ever and he just poops in it. his poops are small and he's just sat in a corner looking rather miserable. he's hardly even touched his favourite toy that i brought him over the weekend. they're like edible and somewhat like a brick texture. they love them as they are easier to chew and just disappear lol. but even that, its been nibbled slightly but its hardly anything. most of the time i give them one each and they're gone within 2 days :lol:

I'm just at a loss.. he clearly does need a dental and he just had one at the start of april. i can't afford it, and its not fair to him to be recovering from dentals every 4-6 weeks. i earn 70 a month usually. that means that in order to afford a dental, i have to completely put all my money on snoopy every single month. nothing for me. and that's without trying to fit in buying toys, pellet, any other vet bills. its just not doable.

i was so hopeful, but im losing that now :/

i can also confirm metacam does taste sweet. (thank you snoopy for wriggling and me getting a drop in my mouth)

UPDATE: we have decided to put Snoopy to sleep.. there is no way of curing this other than to remove his teeth as its likely root or teeth elongation. i don't have the money for a proper proper specialist. and even so, we can pay all of this out, remove his teeth.. for him to die during the operation. and still, he wouLdn't have a quality of life, and his right now is unacceptable.
so with a heavy heart, me and my vet have decided to say goodbye.
he has had a very strong painkiller to see him through tonight, so i may spoil him to death with kisses and treats. and then tomorrow, we will say goodbye.

TheThreeB's
11-05-2017, 09:30 PM
I'm sorry to read your sad update, it must have been incredibly difficult for you to come to this decision and I do understand your reasons.

We had to make a similar decision a few months ago for our Darwin, who was very poorly. Our vet was very kind and compassionate which really helped.

I'll be thinking of you tomorrow, all the best x

Zoobec
11-05-2017, 10:08 PM
I'm so sorry:cry: xx

newbabybuns
11-05-2017, 10:11 PM
I'm very sorry binkyCodie :( a very tough decision to have to make. Will be thinking of you and Snoopy xxx

binkyCodie
11-05-2017, 10:29 PM
thank you all.. i am honestly heart broken. he's so young.. just two. I expected a few more years than this from my boy.

our vet, she loves Snoopy. she treats him as if its her pet. the vet before Anna, would pick him up and smother him in kisses. she'd take him out back and parade him around for cuddles. Aislin is the same. she loves him to bits. but we, and she, knows this isn't fair.. he isn't happy. the medication isn't working. its not the solution.

when we asked her how much, she looked at us with sad eyes and told us that was the option she didn't wish to mention, she didn't want to upset us. its going to cost 145 in all. and she asked if that's what we wanted. we don't have another option, so we agreed. a specialist is expensive and as she said, it could prove nothing and still not give him a quality of life. we can't fix it, we can't make him better, we can't let him continue without changing that.

we could have done it tonight, but Aislin suggested giving him a strong painkiller injection, and spoiling him tonight. for her rabbit she did the same. she gave her all the treats, unhealthy bits, apparently her bun even took her crisps and popcorn! but as she said.. it won't be much longer. its pointless restricting him on unhealthy stuff when it can't do any long term harm. so now, we hopefully end on a high, of good memories, pictures, and cuddles.

Aislin actually asked us if we had any innocent smoothie. we didn't, so she ran out back and stole one for Snoopy to have tonight. just something special.

she gave Snoop a hug, a kiss, and said she loved him as she won't be in tomorrow to put him to sleep, so we will see another vet who i like.

we're booked in for 1:30 for a half an hour slot. but we're to go in at 1, so he can have a numbing solution on his ear for the catheter. as much as it hurts.. i want him to die in my arms if they'll let me. i want him to be held in my arms, where he is happy, safe. when he had his injection he had that in my arms. she asked if it was okay and i told her yes, just as long as its not in me. needles i can do, needles in me i can not :lol:

I will have his ashes back hence the extra expense. i want to put it in a rabbit locket.

he looks miserable right now.. not huddled up and warmer now, but he looks so sad.
just have to wait until tomorrow little guy. and you'll be pain free forever.

nickybunny1
11-05-2017, 11:17 PM
This is so heartbreaking and so so sad, I am crying reading this., I'm so sorry to read this. Your vet sounds so lovely and so unsterstanding. You obviously love him so so much . It's not fair he is so young. You will be in my thoughts both of you and I hope Snoopy has a comfortable night. Xx (hugs)

MightyMax
11-05-2017, 11:18 PM
I'm so sorry :(

binkyCodie
12-05-2017, 01:24 AM
thank you both..

I'm not sure what to do with myself. I've been trying to sleep for the past hour, all i can do is cry.

luna knows something is wrong. she's very subdued and sad looking. im too soft as ive started giving her treats too.

Jack's-Jane
12-05-2017, 05:22 AM
:cry:

Pets mum
12-05-2017, 07:02 AM
I'm so sorry, I will be thinking of you today xxx

Omi
12-05-2017, 07:22 AM
:cry:

tlcwrites
12-05-2017, 09:22 AM
:cry:

Look after yourself. This decision is never easy. I understand coming to it all too well. I was in a similar place regarding my Iris too.

Sending you both love today. xxx

binkyCodie
12-05-2017, 11:04 AM
thank you all..

I'm beginning to worry for Luna. she seems so very sad.. she's lying head first into her log house which she has never gone in. she usually sits on it, digs and chews it.

i've spoiled him rotten. he's had carrot, spaghetti (seemed to quite enjoy it lol), all the little treats he can have.

i feel quite bad. he's so lively this morning. but without it it means pain medication for the rest of his life which would do more damage than good. and the stress of it.. its not fair. seeing him last night, it ruined me.

im wondering if i should bring her to the vets with me as comfort for snoopy.. and then when he passes let her see him.. i don't know im a bit soft.

MightyMax
12-05-2017, 11:20 AM
thank you all..

I'm beginning to worry for Luna. she seems so very sad.. she's lying head first into her log house which she has never gone in. she usually sits on it, digs and chews it.

i've spoiled him rotten. he's had carrot, spaghetti (seemed to quite enjoy it lol), all the little treats he can have.

i feel quite bad. he's so lively this morning. but without it it means pain medication for the rest of his life which would do more damage than good. and the stress of it.. its not fair. seeing him last night, it ruined me.

im wondering if i should bring her to the vets with me as comfort for snoopy.. and then when he passes let her see him.. i don't know im a bit soft.


I would take them both, and let his body comfort her after he's gone. It will help her to understand he's not coming back.

Hugs for you xx

binkyCodie
12-05-2017, 11:27 AM
do you think that would be for the best?

i want her to understand what's happening, stupid as it sounds maybe. i've never been through any of this, Snoopy was my first ever bunny.

i could place them in the same carrier.. usually i take them in separate ones but it would be comfortable for both of them to be in one.

im taking his stuffed puppy.. he had it ever since i brought him home, and his pad. i want him to not be stressed and as comfortable as possible.

binkyCodie
12-05-2017, 02:58 PM
he's gone. passed away in my arms within seconds. all throughout today luna didnt leave his side, she even tried to wake him up after he went and tried to keep him warm.

shes clearly so sad.

time will tell.. maybe make her a house bunny. change the downstairs around and allow her all of downstairs to run in all day we're home.

Jack's-Jane
12-05-2017, 03:12 PM
he's gone. passed away in my arms within seconds. all throughout today luna didnt leave his side, she even tried to wake him up after he went and tried to keep him warm.

shes clearly so sad.

time will tell.. maybe make her a house bunny. change the downstairs around and allow her all of downstairs to run in all day we're home.

:cry:

RIP Snoopy xx

Zoobec
12-05-2017, 03:14 PM
:cry: Binky free Snoopy xx

Omi
12-05-2017, 03:51 PM
:cry:

LagomorphLion
12-05-2017, 04:13 PM
I'm so sorry for your loss of Snoopy; I'm certain he knew just how much he was (and still is) loved.

Rest in peace Snoopy x

tlcwrites
12-05-2017, 04:14 PM
Binky free, Snoopy.

Sending you and Luna all my love. xxx

Pets mum
12-05-2017, 04:20 PM
So sorry, you did your absolute best for Snoopy, and put his needs first, he went surrounded by those he loved, and who loved him. Binky free Snoopy x love to you and Luna xx

MightyMax
12-05-2017, 05:02 PM
he's gone. passed away in my arms within seconds. all throughout today luna didnt leave his side, she even tried to wake him up after he went and tried to keep him warm.

shes clearly so sad.

time will tell.. maybe make her a house bunny. change the downstairs around and allow her all of downstairs to run in all day we're home.


So sorry xx

daphnephoebe
12-05-2017, 05:08 PM
I'm so sorry :cry:

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binkyCodie
12-05-2017, 09:26 PM
thank you all ♥♥

im at a loss at what to do with Luna. she's miserable and its breaking my heart even more. i felt guilty for snoopy, not a oh i should have done more but a guilt about him feeling pain. i treat these guys like they're my children, i have a really maternal instinct with them. even my boyfriend told me i treat them like my children, and asked if they could be his too :lol:

she just looks so so sad. i let her out and usually she's non stop running. this time shes out, munches hay, flops beside my bed for half an hour. she is eating, i gave her a strawberry and a woodlands hay cookie. she loves them and its still hay and fiber going in.

right now usually they would just come out in my room. however tomorrow we'll try and rabbit proof, move shoes etc so she may spend all day downstairs with us with plenty of room.

the two of them had 100cm cages. right now the side pieces are removed and separated with a metal panel. what i plan on doing is making one cage her sleeping, food and litter area, and fill the other with toys. i'll push the panel back and get a tunnel so they will be separated by a tunnel which im sure she'll love. just need some time to do it.

is there anything i can do to help luna through with this? she's so sad and i don't know what to do. i feel awful :(

TheThreeB's
12-05-2017, 09:31 PM
So sorry for your loss x

Jack's-Jane
13-05-2017, 03:55 PM
thank you all ♥♥

im at a loss at what to do with Luna. she's miserable and its breaking my heart even more. i felt guilty for snoopy, not a oh i should have done more but a guilt about him feeling pain. i treat these guys like they're my children, i have a really maternal instinct with them. even my boyfriend told me i treat them like my children, and asked if they could be his too :lol:

she just looks so so sad. i let her out and usually she's non stop running. this time shes out, munches hay, flops beside my bed for half an hour. she is eating, i gave her a strawberry and a woodlands hay cookie. she loves them and its still hay and fiber going in.

right now usually they would just come out in my room. however tomorrow we'll try and rabbit proof, move shoes etc so she may spend all day downstairs with us with plenty of room.

the two of them had 100cm cages. right now the side pieces are removed and separated with a metal panel. what i plan on doing is making one cage her sleeping, food and litter area, and fill the other with toys. i'll push the panel back and get a tunnel so they will be separated by a tunnel which im sure she'll love. just need some time to do it.

is there anything i can do to help luna through with this? she's so sad and i don't know what to do. i feel awful :(

You could try giving her some new things to investigate. You dont have to buy new toys, you could give her an empty cereal box, a cardboard tube stuffed with hay with some fresh herbs mixed in.

If you scroll down the page on this link to Tamsin's blog you will see instructions for making a cardboard shreddable mat

http://www.therabbithouse.com/blog/

Some apple twigs tied into a bundle and hung from something makes an interesting toy that moves about as Bunny nibbles at it.

Some Rabbits like chasing a football too xx

Fluffybunny54
13-05-2017, 04:03 PM
So sorry. Night, night, Snoopy. xxxx

Mackers
13-05-2017, 04:18 PM
You did a very selfless thing - putting your bunny's needs first, however hard that was. Thinking of you xxx

MightyMax
13-05-2017, 04:35 PM
thank you all ♥♥

im at a loss at what to do with Luna. she's miserable and its breaking my heart even more. i felt guilty for snoopy, not a oh i should have done more but a guilt about him feeling pain. i treat these guys like they're my children, i have a really maternal instinct with them. even my boyfriend told me i treat them like my children, and asked if they could be his too :lol:

she just looks so so sad. i let her out and usually she's non stop running. this time shes out, munches hay, flops beside my bed for half an hour. she is eating, i gave her a strawberry and a woodlands hay cookie. she loves them and its still hay and fiber going in.

right now usually they would just come out in my room. however tomorrow we'll try and rabbit proof, move shoes etc so she may spend all day downstairs with us with plenty of room.

the two of them had 100cm cages. right now the side pieces are removed and separated with a metal panel. what i plan on doing is making one cage her sleeping, food and litter area, and fill the other with toys. i'll push the panel back and get a tunnel so they will be separated by a tunnel which im sure she'll love. just need some time to do it.

is there anything i can do to help luna through with this? she's so sad and i don't know what to do. i feel awful :(


I think she will love your new cage design. it's a shock for her just now, and I guess you just shower her with love and attention, whilst trying to cope with your own grief.

This may help a bit:

https://coloradohrs.org/when-a-rabbit-loses-a-friend/

Babsie
13-05-2017, 04:40 PM
I'm so sorry. :cry:

Den
13-05-2017, 06:37 PM
I'm so sorry.

Binky Free Snoopy.💔💔

binkyCodie
13-05-2017, 07:11 PM
You could try giving her some new things to investigate. You dont have to buy new toys, you could give her an empty cereal box, a cardboard tube stuffed with hay with some fresh herbs mixed in.

If you scroll down the page on this link to Tamsin's blog you will see instructions for making a cardboard shreddable mat

http://www.therabbithouse.com/blog/

Some apple twigs tied into a bundle and hung from something makes an interesting toy that moves about as Bunny nibbles at it.

Some Rabbits like chasing a football too xx

thank you! I will have a look. i just want to make her as happy as i can. i know i can't repair or take it away just like that, but i want to keep her busy and happy. i've had no bunny 500's or binkies today and it makes me quite sad as she's forever being a lunatic! ran into the wall once as she got so excited about a toy :lol: i know our local shoe shop sometimes has a few spare shoe boxes. maybe i can ask for a few and make a toy out of it? i have a few skittles too.. hm.

she never cared for apple twigs :( we have a tree in our back yard. it was always snoopy who was stripping it clean! gonna have to pay for somebody to clip it now!! :roll:

i do have a ball in the house. its a plush one, but i'll give her that and see if she enjoys it and try and find a cheap one tomorrow.


I think she will love your new cage design. it's a shock for her just now, and I guess you just shower her with love and attention, whilst trying to cope with your own grief.

This may help a bit:

https://coloradohrs.org/when-a-rabbit-loses-a-friend/

i do know its a shock, i just hate seeing her so sad :( i want to make sure she is as happy as can be right now. no binkies, no bunny 500's. i've been spoiling her maybe more than i should. she's had some strawberries and half of a munchie stick. the strawberries are tiny though so its not anything bad i suppose. i've managed to bunny proof the living/dining room today so all day she has been down here with us. she keeps coming over to all of us for attention. even my dad - and she never touches him!

she didnt really have that much time with snoopy :( i just couldn't have brought his body home.. i just wanted it over and done with. the longer i keep him, the harder i find it and the worse i become. after he died i held him for ten minutes and she kept licking and nudging him, trying to keep him warm. i felt so bad for her and i had to drag her away as i just couldn't. even the vet ended up crying.

i think she understood he was gone though.. i dont know.

binkyCodie
13-05-2017, 07:24 PM
thank you all again ♥ its been so hard. i still called for him when i went in. its going to take a while to adjust.

on a facebook bunny group i am on, i posted about losing him as i often shared snoop's photos. i had somebody say "a rabbits teeth can always be fixed and should not be a reason to end their life" :roll: :roll: :roll: i have so much to say about this i could write a whole book!

i also wanted to share what I have been working on.. my therapist has always suggest i try to draw my feelings or vents. i suppose this is by way of grieving. (may be best to open the image in another tab..)
http://pre07.deviantart.net/3374/th/pre/f/2017/133/a/0/snoopy_by_katjecodie-db92l7i.png

mini lop1
13-05-2017, 08:09 PM
😢 so sorry xxx

mini lop1
13-05-2017, 08:11 PM
thank you all again ♥ its been so hard. i still called for him when i went in. its going to take a while to adjust.

on a facebook bunny group i am on, i posted about losing him as i often shared snoop's photos. i had somebody say "a rabbits teeth can always be fixed and should not be a reason to end their life" :roll: :roll: :roll: i have so much to say about this i could write a whole book!

i also wanted to share what I have been working on.. my therapist has always suggest i try to draw my feelings or vents. i suppose this is by way of grieving. (may be best to open the image in another tab..)
http://pre07.deviantart.net/3374/th/pre/f/2017/133/a/0/snoopy_by_katjecodie-db92l7i.png

Beautiful image, and yes sometimes abbots teeth can be so messed up that the kindest thing to do is help end their suffering,big hugs xxx