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Pendragon
14-09-2004, 01:57 PM
It's been a worrying past 36 hours, as I almost lost my lovely Henna the Belgian Hare.

For those of you who have never heard of "Floppy Bunny Syndrome" please take some time to read this article now:

http://members.iinet.net.au/~jabuck/WARCI/other_ailments.htm

A link to this article on another forum almost certainly saved Henna's life, by enabling me to know what was wrong with her and take appropriate action.

On Sunday night I was sitting reading in the living room, where my lovely new Belgian Hare doe is living for now in a large indoor rabbit cage.

At midnight she was fine - drinking well, I noticed, eating hay, and I was a bit surprised to see her actually using the mineral lick hanging on the side of the cage. It's been there months as a useless cage ornament; I bought a few on impulse in the warm weather only to be steadfastly ignored by all my rabbits!

Shortly after I heard a soft bump from the cage and realised she was having trouble standing, wobbling all over and falling. Oh no! I thought - floppy bunny! Or Floppy Hare in her case.

I took her out and gently felt her all over from nose to tail, flexing limbs, feeling bones, testing muscles, looking for signs of injury, but nothing... no tenderness or strain anywhere, in fact she seemed unusually pliant. Her legs were like jelly... put on her feet she just crumpled and fell over!

Yesterday morning I rushed off to the chemists and got Vitamin E capsules and live yogurt, after opening a can of tomatoes and draining the juice, giving her some of that via syringe because potassium loss has been previously thought to be a cause.

I gave her a Vitamin E capsule with yogurt in a syringe, but as the capsules turned out to be oil, she had two more yesterday just squirted into her mouth.

12 hours later she started to look better imperceptibly... by the evening she was definitely improved and muscle tone was starting to come back... she even was able to wriggle a bit when I picked her up.

24 hours later and she was almost back to normal - still eating for England, I have never seen a rabbit pack away so much food in such a short space of time! She never eats this much normally, so I let her get on with it, thinking she might know something I don't. At midnight last night she also started drinking again, oddly enough she hadn't wanted any water at all yesterday... and even more odd.... she started licking the mineral lick again.

This morning she's very bright, sitting up normally, hopping a bit, and well on the way to normality. She can hop, jump into her cage again, and is acting as though nothing happened.

She didn't have it particularly badly, but several times I watched her falling about and asked myself what an average vet would have made of her symptoms... almost certainly it would have been a "jab of Baytril and bring her back tomorrow" situation..... :( That would have killed her, for sure.

I strongly suggest you print out that article and keep it somewhere safe on hand if you have never yet had to deal with this worrying problem!

It can affect any rabbit, of whatever breed, and I have heard it happening in Giant breeds, French Lops, Mini Lops, Dwarf Lops.... and others.... I am not even sure that the rabbit savvy vets know of this cure, so please make yourself aware, it could save a life.

Lynn
14-09-2004, 02:03 PM
Sue - so glad that Henna has recovered from this, and feeling much better. Thanks for the information too, it's always good to be aware of these things as it seem with bunnies, speedy intervention seems to be the key to a good recovery.

MandyM
14-09-2004, 02:31 PM
Gosh what a fright for you, I've printed the article off and will file in my bunny file, so glad she's getting better, she's such a beauty.

AmberUK
14-09-2004, 03:53 PM
Wow, that was a good call!

Can I ask? I thought you were not suposed to give rabbits dairy porducts?

Sage
14-09-2004, 04:44 PM
Oh poor Henna, and you. Good to know she is getting better.

Thanks for the link, I shall add it to my rabbit info folder.

Adele
14-09-2004, 05:27 PM
Can I ask? I thought you were not suposed to give rabbits dairy porducts?
Amber you are not supposed to give dairy products to bunnies because lactose (?) upsets them, but with live yoghurt the lactose is minimal and the friendly bacteria are excellent at helping the gut.

Sue, I am so sorry to hear of this scary episode with Henna the Hare :? ...you did very well to turn things around and I am so relieved she is alright now.
We give our bunnies a Vitamin E capsule sprinkled over their dried food routinely, I use Starflower Oil to be extact.

We too have experienced Floppy Bunny syndrome, and it happened to our beautiful Rex after a long hot Summer, and I think his potassium levels must have dropped very quickly, as he collapsed exactly in the way you described.
I gave Byron a tiny pinch of (low sodium) salt in water, vitamin E, and some banana (another old remedy for replacing potassium quickly) and within half an hour to an hour, it started to turn his wobbly state around.
Thank you for drawing this to our attention and I will print off the info. you suggested and hand it out to my Rabbit Hotel Clients and generally make other bunny owners aware.
Cuddles for Henna :D

sunshine
14-09-2004, 06:38 PM
hi Sue

Glad to hear Henna is on the mend. Like Mandy I also have a file on rabbit information so i will print it off and file it away.

Thank you for passing on the information

Pendragon
14-09-2004, 07:14 PM
Not good news I'm afraid... in the last half an hour, she's collapsed again, worse than before and now won't swallow anything... despite having eaten a lump of banana this afternoon... :sad:

I'd been keeping up with the Vitamin E and she was doing great, it's obvious there's more to this condition than we really know. She's propped up in a box between pillows, barely moving... I've given her a couple of drops of Rescue Remedy and some for myself too... going to have a stiff drink now! :cry:

Adele
14-09-2004, 07:22 PM
Oh my goodness poor Sue and poor Henna, I am so, so sorry to hear this news...you must be pulling your hair out there. :?

Are you sure Henna has not got a bladder infection as collapse is typical of that??..I am sure you will have already considered this...but it could be another explanation.
Is Henna passing urine alright? and drinking normally?.
have you contacted the man you gave Henna to you, he may have seen this before.

I am truly lost for words, and very concerned for you both.
I know how happy you are to have Henna in your life and we have everything crossed here that she will fully recover very soon.

Please keep us posted...you are in our thoughts.
Love and best wishes
Adele and bunnies

Tamsin
14-09-2004, 07:30 PM
I believe a deficiency of magnisium can be behind a deficiency of potasium as its important in keeping it in the body. Without the magnesium topping up on potasium won't help or will only help short term.

It does should like something more is going on, do you have a rabbit specialist near you or maybe you can get the details of one of the RWA and can contact them by phone for advise. It sounds like a vet with more than the usual 'how about some baytril' knowledge would help.

Good luck,
Tam

Adele
14-09-2004, 07:42 PM
I believe a deficiency of magnisium can be behind a deficiency of potasium as its important in keeping it in the body. Without the magnesium topping up on potasium won't help or will only help short term.


This is very true Tamsin.....this is why I suggested banana as it contains both magnesium and potasium.


It does should like something more is going on, do you have a rabbit specialist near you or maybe you can get the details of one of the RWA and can contact them by phone for advise. It sounds like a vet with more than the usual 'how about some baytril' knowledge would help.

Tam

It does unfortunately sound like Henna needs some more specialised support, and further tests.
Good luck and hope you can get some answers soon.
:? :cry:

Pendragon
14-09-2004, 08:11 PM
I have Virginia Richardson about 45 mins drive away - but I don't drive!

My nearest vet of any kind is at least a 20 minute bus journey away, and to be honest, I don't think the stress of that would do her any good at all.

I am considering phoning Virginia R, although I have a book of hers published a few years ago and it just recommends using tomato juice, which I am already doing!

Adele - she is drinking and peeing normally, and at least she is clearly in no pain, if her swallowing reflex returns I may be in with another chance.

Kiwibunny
14-09-2004, 08:47 PM
Sorry, can't offer any help from here, wish I could drive you somewhere to the vets. But all fingers and toes crossed for you and Henna
Cyberhugs (((((( )))))))
Anna

Pendragon
14-09-2004, 09:14 PM
Henna's gone.....

This horrible condition reduces them to nothing.... and so fast... I am just glad she went quietly painlessly here, and not on the way to the vet... that would have been hard to bear. I wasn't joking when I suggested taking her to the vet tonight would finish her off.

I am also very glad she was almost back to normal today - my lasting memory will be of her coming up for a nose rub this afternoon.

Lynn
14-09-2004, 09:17 PM
I'm so sorry to hear this Sue - thinking of you.

bunnyhuggger
14-09-2004, 09:23 PM
Oh no Sue! I'm so sorry. My goodness that was so sudden! Thinking of you.

sunshine
14-09-2004, 09:31 PM
:cry: I'm truly sorry to hear about Henna, Sue. I can't believe how suddenly she went. It must be such a shock. Thinking of you.

Bunnyboarding
14-09-2004, 09:36 PM
Sue,

From one hare-lover to another,

So sorry to hear this news,

all my thoughts are with you (& Henna)

Take Care x

Pendragon
14-09-2004, 09:55 PM
Thanks everyone, especially Cheryl cos she knows what these silly gangly red long-leggedy beasties do to your heart...! Once a hare lover, always a hare lover. Didn't I say a few weeks ago I had a strange jinx with Hares, and my next one should be not a red, but a black and tan?

That daft lovely Henna... I should have said no, when I first saw her. Love's not like that though, is it?

Let me emphasis here it's not just a Hare thing, it happens to all kinds of rabbits, and I am sure many go unnoticed.... If my posting alerts just one person and helps to save a life, it's worth it. What I really want is a real investigation into it if possible.

Do we have enough contacts with vets/vet universities to do this..?

Holly Go-Lightly
14-09-2004, 10:02 PM
She was a beauty. So regal.
I am sorry for you Pendragon. You made her comfortable on her last day.
She was in the best care. I don't think a vet would have done anything except keep her in and then she would have passed on in a hospital not at home with mummy. You did good.

rngpwelfare
14-09-2004, 10:14 PM
So sorry to hear that your little lady didn't make it.

Thank you for the link though and also for the chance to see some photo's of a real live hare.

love and hugs coming from here.

Bunnyboarding
14-09-2004, 10:18 PM
Thanks everyone, especially Cheryl cos she knows what these silly gangly red long-leggedy beasties do to your heart...!

They sure do.....

I felt very sad when i lost my show doe, 'Ruby' a year ago. She was very intelligent & 'glam'.

Mubby
14-09-2004, 11:03 PM
If Mubby every gets sick ill just cry and cry and cry :cry: :cry: :cry:

Kiwibunny
15-09-2004, 12:59 AM
Oh, I'm so sorry, that beautiful hare, she was just lovely. Why do these things happen? I sure don't know. You must be heartbroken. Big cyberhugs ((((((((( )))))))))
Anna

bunnymad
15-09-2004, 05:43 AM
:cry: huggles.

I`m so glad you were together at the end:)

You did all you could and more:) sniffs :cry: blowes nose :cry:

bronie :cry:

beck
15-09-2004, 07:00 AM
So sad you lost your beautiful Henna,
I checked back this morning after reading about her yesterday, so sorry you lost her. Thinking of you.

MandyM
15-09-2004, 09:51 AM
OMG I'm so sorry to hear this sad news, I'm thinking of you, big hugs heading your way. :cry:

Binky free Henna.....

Adele
15-09-2004, 10:18 AM
Oh Sue, i guessed things were not going well last night, but it is still a shock to read that the beautiful Hanna has gone.
Iam deeply sorry and very sad to hear this news.....at least Henna was with someone who loved her at the end, and you were able to give her comfort and cuddles.

Big hug coming your way.

Love Adele and all the Sanctuary bunnies

Nix
15-09-2004, 10:21 AM
Oh no, what terrible news!

You did everything you could for her, and at least she was with you being loved until the end :cry:

Holly Go-Lightly
15-09-2004, 10:26 AM
Do we have enough contacts with vets/vet universities to do this..?

Why not ask that new RWA vet who is based at Bristol.
She is featured in the last issue of Rabbiting On

Marlene
15-09-2004, 09:20 PM
Oh no Sue, I can't believe this. I have just read all these posts and your link on your first post and I am so upset that this has happened. She was such a beautiful lady and I am so sorry. Thinking of you and hope all our thoughts help you throught this.

Love from

Gem
16-09-2004, 09:38 PM
So sorry to read this, Henna truly was a beautiful girl

Lots of Love

Gem x

Dorothy
17-09-2004, 08:58 AM
I am so very sorry to hear this sad news. You must be devastated. Henna was such a regal beauty. I think we will all remember her fondly. Big hugs coming your way.

Denny
18-09-2004, 10:56 PM
I am really sorry to hear about Henna, I have never seen a hare like her, she looked stunning, I can see why you fell in love with her. my heart goes out to you.

I read the information from the link that you gave regarding 'flopsy' and I would like to thank you. After 7 months of not knowing why my bun died all the symtoms were consistant with what my Mr Bo-Jangles had, but the vet was totally at a loss, and I lost him.

My thoughts are with you

marbledhalls
14-05-2008, 03:02 AM
I just joined this forum so I could respond to your post. Nine days ago I went outside to find one of my wild bunnies( I raised after my dogs rescued them from flood waters when the were just a few weeks old)laying on the ground not moving...eyes open ...nose twitching. I picked him up and he was cold...he could not move and he was like a rag doll. I wrapped him up and crawled in bed under the comforters with him. I just knew he would die. I grabbed my laptop and started searching...punching in his symptoms. Your post about your bunny and having found info via the internet was what I found! I got in the car and bought Vitaman E gel tabs. I kept him in bed with me feeding him with eye dropper and giving him E twice a day. After the third day he was lifting his head and sitting up. On the fourth day he walked with some effort. I put him in the nursery room next to mine and he had his own blankie. He got better and better and today I was able to return him to his run! You and your bunny were responsible for saving my little guys life. I am sorry to read that your baby did not make it but his story saved my baby and I wanted to thank you!
I have two Nederland Dwarfs and two wild bunnies and I love them all...also my wonderful golden retriever twins who rescue bunnies all the time! They were very concerned about my baby and laid beside us on the bed. Again thank you!:wave:Connie

bunlover
14-05-2008, 11:21 AM
sorry for your loss and you did what you could is it possible that ec was also to blame? or had your hare recently given birth someone on here recently had a bunny with some kind of post pregnancy toxic thing which came on suddenly also? i am sorry for you but hopefully this advice will help others with frs

Raven Rexs
14-05-2008, 11:23 AM
glad shes feeling better!:D
ive already done this with a rabbit and had it survive:D

She-Ra
14-05-2008, 11:39 AM
So sorry to hear about Henna:(

Sooz
14-05-2008, 11:43 AM
Wow this ia an OLD OLD post :shock:

I will say however that Vit. E capsules have saved the life of one of our rescue bunnies and that was with the help of the same article listed on page 1. :)

Isabel
14-05-2008, 11:55 AM
I just joined this forum so I could respond to your post. Nine days ago I went outside to find one of my wild bunnies( I raised after my dogs rescued them from flood waters when the were just a few weeks old)laying on the ground not moving...eyes open ...nose twitching. I picked him up and he was cold...he could not move and he was like a rag doll. I wrapped him up and crawled in bed under the comforters with him. I just knew he would die. I grabbed my laptop and started searching...punching in his symptoms. Your post about your bunny and having found info via the internet was what I found! I got in the car and bought Vitaman E gel tabs. I kept him in bed with me feeding him with eye dropper and giving him E twice a day. After the third day he was lifting his head and sitting up. On the fourth day he walked with some effort. I put him in the nursery room next to mine and he had his own blankie. He got better and better and today I was able to return him to his run! You and your bunny were responsible for saving my little guys life. I am sorry to read that your baby did not make it but his story saved my baby and I wanted to thank you!
I have two Nederland Dwarfs and two wild bunnies and I love them all...also my wonderful golden retriever twins who rescue bunnies all the time! They were very concerned about my baby and laid beside us on the bed. Again thank you!:wave:Connie

Thats brilliant! Welcome to RU :wave:

marbledhalls
14-05-2008, 10:26 PM
Thats brilliant! Welcome to RU :wave:
Thanks! I am finding the information on here priceless!My bunny has spent the night in his run and seems okay. He actually went in his box(rarely wants in there) but I think he got used to the warmth inside. It is in the 70s here and 50s at night so not too bad.Connie

OriginalFlintstone
15-05-2008, 04:15 PM
Wow this ia an OLD OLD post :shock:

I will say however that Vit. E capsules have saved the life of one of our rescue bunnies and that was with the help of the same article listed on page 1. :)

Worth digging up tho. What a useful article!!

Maizey
15-05-2008, 05:26 PM
Ive jusy read this post.Im so sorry Sue that you have lost Henna.its heart breaking when you loose one of your furry friends.

charlie82
30-06-2008, 08:39 PM
Bumping this up for Erroll as i can't share the link..... Hope this is of some use to you!