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Vaccinations

Hey guys,

Quick Question....


Do any of you vaccinate your own rabbits? Does this always have to be done by a vet?
Can we buy the drugs from somewhere and with the correct training do our own? What do the rescues do?

I have 9 buns to get vaccinated for 2 diseases twice a year. It gets very expensive at £15 per jab. I don't think pet insurance covers vaccinations either.

Just wondered.
 
Oh a follow up question to this, do I really need to check my vet does the mixy jab correctly? I am really poor at doing things like that and cannot find a good rabbit vet. I am just having to presume my local vets are ok for rabbits but I find vet to vet service varies.
 
HI there, yes I know that some people choose to do their own vaccinations, but we feel that it is important that a Vet physically examines the bunny prior to vaccinating to give them an MOT first.
I sometimes assist the Vet with vaccinating in his presence, as we have 26 bunnies to do, but I understand that in reality Vets are not legally supposed to allow you to vaccinate on your own accord, as some of the drugs, especially the one for VHD (Cylap) is dangerous if you should accidently stab yourself with the needle.
We would not therefore recommend vaccinating without a Vet present for all the above reasons, and those that choose to vaccinate themselves often lack the funds for a Vet to do the vaccinations properly. I suspect that the view may be, that it is better to vaccinate (and not involve the Vet) than not.
This is not the best option for the bunny though in our view, as the Vet needs to check a Bunny Health and teeth periodically,and pre vaccination.

The RWA is best place to find a list of good Vets, but if you go on line and pop rabbit friendly Vets into Goggle you may come up with a list.
When we moved here, we phoned around Vets surgerys to ask if they had a Vet who specialised in small animals, and although this took a bit of time, it was well worth it in the end.
We tend to use a typical Vet for most things, but if we feel surgery is needed or some unusual illness appears, we go straight to a rabbit Specialist.
This is not required most of the time though.
I think the key is to read up on typical rabbit illnesses when you first have a rabbit and The RWA gives excellent post operation advice in leaflets, and how to manage a common condition in bunnies, gut statuis for example.
It is a good idea to enpower yourself with knowledge and then you can ask the Vet questions and suggest things(for example we always ask for fluids under the skin when a bunny is poorly, as it helps stop them getting dehydrated) but many Vets do not suggest this at that time.
You have to remember that Vets have so many different animal types to deal with that they cannot really specialise in them all.
A working relationship with a Vet is a two way street ,and if you find one you can work with well, and who is happy to exchange ideas with you, and spend time looking up things they do not know to be able to advise you best, then you cannot go far wrong. :D
Hope this helps :D
Ps. Find a Vet who will buy the vaccines in bulk for you, I believe they can buy in batches of five, and find a rabbit owning friend to have their bunny at the same time to use up any of the spare vaccines from a pack of 5 (if this makes sense?) and then you reduce the cost as far as possible.
Please do shop around for Vets supplying vaccines though as we paid just under 1000 a year to have all our Sanctuary bunnies vaccinated against Myxo (twice yearly) and VHD, and have since found a very helpful Vet who buys the vaccines in bulk (selling any spares to other folk in his surgery) and has cut our annual bill in half. :D
Plus Vets will visit your home to vaccinate a group of bunnies to avoid stressing them, and I think it is well worth the Vets call out charge if you can afford it, as the bunnies remain calm , remaining in their home territory. :D
 
Right, firstly let me say that I am not against joining or giving the RWA money but their page says its just a list of vets that apply and to me does not guarntee that I will get to see a specialist vet. When my bunnie had his teeth out I had a few days to sort something out I went with our normal vets cos the vet seemed to confirm the things said about it on the net. Its the after care I had problems with. But having to know where they should kept a rabbit and how to give jabs just seems silly to me. I pay a man for a job and I don't train to be a vet he does. I have my cats vaccinated and I agree that the once yearly checkup is the best thing they brought in to do when they do jabs, now I know once a year things I find hard to check are checked.

But the problem I find is that when my cats are sick I just know. People say give it more time and I say no and every time I have been right. With my bunnie and other bunnies I just don't know and taking a rabbit to the vet is stressful for them and for me. When I had problems with aftercare at my normal vets for my bunnie I asked if someone was a rabbit specialist and they said that all vets train on all animals. Now I know thats not the correct answer but I am just not assertive enough to ask about these things. I also have the problem that I have a screwed short term memory, so when I had bunnie problems last time I was all good points good arguments with the nurse, by the time the vet spoke to me I had forgotton it all.

I have done vet callout before, with one rabbit its not worth it (£50 to just come to your door!) and if your just not sure you tend to edge on the side of caution.

Anyhow my cats in for vaccinations on Wednesday in the local branch of our vets - we have 3 branches joined together and shes going to ask the nurses if anyone does specialse. She did do the are you looking at repulatable web sites thing. Justifying my questions is very hard sometimes.
 
Our Vet only charges 28pounds to come out, but perhaps we just have an extra generous and kind Vet :D . I would pay whatever it cost to have the Vet come out to the Bunnies as far as possible, as my main priority is the rabbits welfare and they do get so stressed going out in the car.

If we do need to visit the Veterinary Clinic, for example when a bunny requires surgery, I ask the staff to see where they keep the bunnies post op, as you can usually have quick tour of the facilities( if you ask nicely.).
This is a good way of gaining some peace of mind, and to check things like, are the bunnies kept very close to other animals(Which I believe is one of the things mentioned in the RWA leaflets, and information on choosing a Vet). If I had the choice, I would choose a Vet that separates the bunnies away from dogs and cats, so again, the bunnies are less stressed.

Vets are trained to do the vaccinations and so much more, but like any other professional their bedside manner varies wildly :lol:
I have to feel confidence in a Vet who handles my Bunnies, as we have dare I say it been let down in the past, and you learn through experience that it is naive to think everyone works to the exact same standards.
Basic care may be all very well, but if the choice is there for really great care (and all the little extras..like painkillers and heatpads for bunny..not all Vets offer these routinely even when the bunnys may benefit from it), I know what I would opt for each and every time.
Us Bunny Mummys and Daddys have to do our homework though first me thinks. :D..it is all about choices at the end of the day. :D
 
I asked our receptionist about where they house the bunnies and she said that some places don't have spaces for seperate housing from other animals. I said well what if dogs and cats upset them, she just said well obviously you won't have them facing them, they all have their own cages. Its counted as freaky to ask these things. Both our places have so many vets that I have been several times and get a different one each time. When my bunnie is sick waiting a week to see the correct vet just doesn't seem an option.

Sorry I am not having a go, I have just been thinking and looking up rabbit things for what seems like ages. Since he had his teeth done I have had to cut his diet down to try and work out whats giving him sicky poos. Now I need to sort out vaccinations to be able to get him a GF.
 
AmberUK said:
I asked our receptionist about where they house the bunnies and she said that some places don't have spaces for seperate housing from other animals. I said well what if dogs and cats upset them, she just said well obviously you won't have them facing them, they all have their own cages.

Well I personally would not be happy with that particular set up, I understand that vets have limited space, but some Vets seem to prioritise these important type of things more than others. You may have to look harder but really good rabbit friendly Vets do exist. :D
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Its counted as freaky to ask these things(QUOTE AMBER

Well as a rabbit lover I would perhaps find it worrying that people did not ask these type of questions about the set up for caring for my bunny...but again, if you can find a Vet and Practice on your rabbit wavelength, then they will expect you to ask questions like this, and be more ready to help reassure you.
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Both our places have so many vets that I have been several times and get a different one each time. When my bunnie is sick waiting a week to see the correct vet just doesn't seem an option.(QUOTE AMBER)

This is a problem we all experience from time to time, and the same goes with Doctors.
I prefer to choose smaller Veterinary clinics and then the Vet gets to know you personally and goes that extra length to help you out in an emergency.
I at least know that my Vet will come out or let me go to the Clinic with a poorly bunny at a drop of a hat, anytime of the day or night if necessary. This set up is the only one I endorse as with poorly bunnies they tend to go down hill rapidly and need urgent care.

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Sorry I am not having a go, I have just been thinking and looking up rabbit things for what seems like ages. Since he had his teeth done I have had to cut his diet down to try and work out whats giving him sicky poos. Now I need to sort out vaccinations to be able to get him a GF.
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Please do not worry, I did not take your posting as having a go, I am just sorry that you are evidently so unsatisfied with your current Veterinary set up ,and know from experience how frustrating this can be :? but when you find a great Vet who is really rabbit orientated it is like a breath of fresh air..but sadly they seem to be fairly thin on the ground and you have to travel that extra distance to a good one.
Bunnies can get stressed in car journeys, but again there are practical things that you can do to ease things along for your bunny en route....I would travel as far as necessary if I meant I knew the Bunny would have the best care (and best chance of recovery):D
 
I know you are in Hampshire but Surrey is only next door. If you are really struggling to find a good vet I can recommend one of the best.

My vet is rather famous in Surrey with the rabbit community. We have 19 rabbits on our street and they all go to her. Her reputation is excellent. She also has quite a good sense of humour when your piggies accidentally poo on her. She is very good at diagnosing obscure rabbit ailments and her surgeons are top drawer. All the incisions are tiny, the buns aren't too doped up when they are finished, and they believe in pain control. The staff genuinely love rabbits and always ask after my buns by name. Bob had to have injections while I was on holiday and I was worried about asking my neighbour to do it when she was feeding them. One of the nurses volunteered to take Bob for a week and do them herself at home.

If you don't mind making the drive, the whole set up is excellent.

PM me for her details
 
Oh Holly go Likely thank you so much for giving us details of this wonderful Vet...Karen sounds exactly like my kind of Vet.....perfect and a rabbit angel!! :D :D
 
Hello Amber,

I have a couple of references which may be useful to you:

Foster & Seward, Brunswick Place, Crandbourne Lane, Basingstoke
(01256) 869576


These vets are the ones used by a guy I know in Basingstoke who does rabbit rescue, and also takes rabbits round to fetes, charity events & schools to educate on proper bunny care. Whenever he places a rabbit he gives out care sheets (I have copies) and plenty of very useful information, including a letter of recommendation for this vet.... so I would think they have a lot of bunny customers and plenty of experience.

Further away from you in Romsey, Hants is the surgery run by Virginia Richardson, said to be one of the best rabbit vets in the UK, and author of books including "Rabbit Nutrition" which is highly recommended. Her practise is called Orchard Surgery. Sadly I don't drive otherwise she would be my preferred rabbit vet as she's only about 25 miles away... but it's reassuring to know that I could go to her if I ever had a serious problem - by train, if necessary!

BTW, Virginia has also written some excellent professional books on rabbit health & diseases, and also cavy diseases, and if I'd had more cash at the London Show this weekend I'd have come home with the rabbit one! (It's about £20).

Let us know how you get on, and which vet you eventually choose :)
 
Holly Go-Lightly said:
Hey guys,

Quick Question....


Do any of you vaccinate your own rabbits? Does this always have to be done by a vet?
Can we buy the drugs from somewhere and with the correct training do our own? What do the rescues do?

I've looked into this before in my research into starting a rescue.

Like Adele has already said, I think its illegal for Vets to supply you with the vaccine and then adminster it yourself. I think you need to be a qualified Vet to get the drugs in the first place. I could be wrong but this is what I remember from my research.

I know a breeder who vaccines her rabbts herself. She dose research for the vaccine companies and gets the vaccines cheap. I believe she is fully qualifed thou.

Louise
 
Adele said:
Our Vet only charges 28pounds to come out, but perhaps we just have an extra generous and kind Vet :D . I would pay whatever it cost to have the Vet come out to the Bunnies as far as possible, as my main priority is the rabbits welfare and they do get so stressed going out in the car.

When I lived in Lincolnshire the call out fee varied between £20-25.00 which I thought was good.

I'm lucky in that my buns travel fine.

We take them to a Vets in Lincolnshire to get vaccinated as its so much more cheaper then Sheffield.

Its also a day out for the buns as they get to spend the rest of the day in my grandmas walled garden! :)

Its £20 a vaccine in Sheffield and only £10-12.00 in Lincolnshire depending on the Vaccine.


Louise
 
Vaccines are prescription only medicines so have to be prescribed by a vet. Most vets are not happy to allow owners to inject them due to danger to the owner if self inject, and also the fact the vaccine may not work properly if not given correctly and could also potentially cause problems if given incorrectly.
As regards the RWF vet list I cannot think that a vet who was not really interested in rabbits would want to put their name on a list like this, vets like to treat animals they feel happy and competant with, also I think some entries on the list are recommendations from RWF members
I believe the best way to find a good vet is to go and visit them, talk to the staff - you get the feeling whether they like rabbits, do they have rabbit info leaflets etc. The smartest most swish surgery on the outside may not be the most caring. Find out if they routinely recommend neutering bunnies, and vaccinations, do they sell bunny food etc., do rabbits get pain relief? At our surgery about the half the staff are bunny owners themselves.
 
Thanks guys for the vets names. To be honest I prefer to go off personal recommendation rather than rought guide lists. I will certainly look them up. I do drive so I do have some flexability.

thanks again

amber
 
vaccinations

Dear Louise -just reading the thread and noticed you mentioned Lincolnshire and the prices paid at your vets.I live in North Lincs. near Grimsby and use Eastfield vetinary Clinic at North Thoresby. They are a small animal practice and I think The owner Mike is very good. He listens to all my rabbiting-on(!) about info I'VE read on the web and answers all my questions.I think prices are a bit steep but have always paid up because of the care my buns have been given.The practice has spayed/castrated 17 buns for me and they were all o.k. Recently I have had an outbreak of mxyi and 4 of my buns have been put to sleep. i AM ashamed to say they wer not vaccinated because of the cost.However I have had all of them done now and am hoping for the best. A vet came out to do them all at my house. I have not had the bill yet tho.
Lynne
 
Adele said:
we feel that it is important that a Vet physically examines the bunny prior to vaccinating to give them an MOT first.

Adele - I know you've mentioned before that with particularly the Myxo Injection that this has to be done a certain way or it can render the vaccination ineffective against the disease - do you know a subtle way this can be approached and what can I look for in the way the injection is given?

Adele said:
:- We tend to use a typical Vet for most things, but if we feel surgery is needed or some unusual illness appears, we go straight to a rabbit Specialist.

I think this is exactly right - it's just like us humans really - I'd go to my normal Docs for Flu and minor problems but if it's more complex I'd be looking for a specialist!! -- Adele - do you know already of specialists or do you get referals from your own Vet - I've seen details on various Internet sites that suggest that Vets are non to keen on us bunny mad folks going off and doing our own thing - but if my bunnies life dependended on it - I'd like to think that I maybe had some emergency numbers just in Case!!
 
Hiya Lany :D

Some Vets are still failing to give the Myxomatosis Vaccine correctly, which needs to be given both INTO and UNDER the skin to be fully effective.
This is arguably one of the reasons why there is a fair failure rate of the vaccinations, so it is perhaps prudent to discuss this with your Vet prior to the vaccine being given, so your rabbit is not placed in a situation whereby full cover is not in place.
If given correctly, the vaccine should cause a slight scab on the nape of the neck, or a scratch....we are very careful to ensure a Vet is fully up to date with vaccination information prior to vaccinating, as in the past, young Vets especially have failed to do the vaccinations properly (which we learnt in retrospect when we have two bunnies develop Myxo).
Vets are only Human too, and can make mistakes as much as anyone else, this is why we suggest empowering yourself with knowledge first, and then you are in a stronger position to know what to ask / look out for vaccination wise.

The Vet Specialists we personally recommend are: Lansdown Vets, The Clockhouse Veterinary Hospital, Wallbridge, Stroud, Gloucestershire. Tel 01453 752555
www.landsdown-vets.co.uk

I am sure there are other great Vets too, but we have been extremely pleased with the Lansdown Vets level of up to date knowledge, surgery skills, and fantastic after care.
 
Hiya Adele

Thanks soooooo much for this - I'll keep this on file just in case - lets hope I never have to need it but its good to have a recomendation.

I think someone mentioned there was a Vets Practice in Worcester somewhere where the Vet actually had pet bunnies himself - what great Vet he would be to have then eh!

Thanks Matey
 
Re-Hampshire vets - Christopher Carter's Practice in Winchester Road Southampton we give a whole-hearted recommendation. :D
Discounts when you have more than one rabbit immunised at a time or undergo neutering, a willingness to give time to discuss worries.
We've had the other Practice partner Sue, complete with Nurse, making housecalls to give bulk Myxi jabs [no additional charge above the jabs]; even though we're both (human-type) nurses and are trusted with IM/SC injection Sue wanted to ensure correct immunisation. Cylap we can administer but on a thorough understanding of the precautions required.

Above all both Chris and Sue are INTERESTED in our rabbits. Their enthusiasm cascades to the younger vets which makes the world of difference.

For instance, due to a mix-up in our diary dates :oops: our minilop Dillon exceeded his re-Myxi jab by 3 months. The result was a rabbit with partial immunity and with "lumpy bunny syndrome" otherwise called atypical myxy [we've traced probable cause to empty house next door with rats in the garden.]

None of the usual horrible symptoms - in Dillon's case one solid button-like growth on the tip of his nose similar to pox virus. With antibiotics he has made a good recovery in less than a fortnight.

Yet we've had both Practice partners involved, with Sue delaying her own list to co-examine Dillon with Chris and formulate a treatment plan.
At least Sue's injection technique is effective (unlike some Adele mentions)

Soory if i/we've prattled-on but its rare to find vets worth praising.

John & Kate
 
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