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Amelia
03-09-2004, 09:49 AM
Hi

Help! Yesterday afternoon I was letting my bunnies run round the garden and was in the kitchen and looked out the back door to see what was going on only ot see a fox in the garden at 4.00pm in the afternoon. II'll say now that both bunnies are physically fine.

Obviously I shouted and screamed at the fox resulting in my OH coming running out as he thought I was being attacked! (and the next door neighbours came running out as well :oops: )

Anyway nasty Mr fox :x ran off and I grabbed the buns and took them safely into the kitchen where they spent the night getting lots of kisses and cuddles. I didn't want to put them into their shed as I didn't want the fox to come back and be sniffing round the shed and traumatise them further

I don't know how the fox got into the garden as our garden is surrounded by either a six foot+ wall, hence why I thought the rabbits would be safe.

To be honest I was more concerned with cats going after the rabbits.

The rabbits do have a run so it looks like unless I'm actually in the garden they will have to go into that. Although at the moment I am keeping them both in the house, as Tigs is still being very quiet today although Mr B is back to his usual self and can't understand why he can't go back out!

Sorry to cut a bit of a long story short, do any other people have problems with foxes? If so do they know of any deterrrant?

I have phoned the RSPCA this morning and they suggested buying this powder which will put foxes off. My main concern is that he will come back and although he won't be able to get in the pen I don't want him to scare my buns any further. :( and I am doubtful that smelly powder will put him off.

Even thought about getting a dog to protect the buns!

Any advice would be greatly appreciated! :)

Amelia

PS Emma, if you're reading this please don't worry about Whiskey, she will be in a very secure pen which you can see on Sunday, looking forward to getting her very much :)

AmberUK
03-09-2004, 10:12 AM
We used a fox untra sonic scarere, that seemed to work. But I am not sure how they effect rabbits and also you have to play with the settings to get it setup right.

If you have a secure garden then I would suguest double checking where he came in. Any dererent isn't 100% you have to have sound ones in the right direstions, relay smell ones (one I tried give gave me headaches)

Urban foxes are very daring. I never let my bunnie out for too long even in a run as I had heard of foxes get into them near me (South east London). I really cannot express how much I think its not worth the risk.

hugs
amber

Amelia
03-09-2004, 10:17 AM
Thanks Amber, at the moment I don't even want to put the rabbits outside at all run or not!

I think I will get some of this powder today and it's also been suggested to me to put something ontop of the wall in case he's jumping onto that! Although it is so high I would be very surprised if he could!

AmberUK
03-09-2004, 10:20 AM
There is definatly no gape, like a gate or anything like that? The whole place is walled to 6foot? Any clues from the point at which you first saw him or the directions he moved? It just seems so weird.

Amelia
03-09-2004, 10:24 AM
There is a gate but have put wire on top of it, on one side there is trellis on top of the wall which is where he looked like he escaped from. But I'm sure he couldn't squeeze through it, having said that I think they are quite agile.

Going to go round the garden perimeter this afternoon and if neccessary will have to put a bigger fence up!

Adele
03-09-2004, 10:38 AM
oh Dear Amelia, I am so sorry to hear you and your bunnies have encountered this Foxy problem.
Foxes can jump six foot fences, we know, it happened to us where we used to live, bang smack right in the middle of a busy and noisy housing estate in broad daylight :shock:
At least you know that the risk is there and can make plans to protect the bunnies in future.
I would be tempted to keep them as house rabbits myself and only allow them to roam in the garden with strict supervision at all times.
Unless of course you can erect a very solid run, and padlock all hutch doors and runs, foxes can learn how to undo quite complicated bolts, so you need to make rabbit hutches like Fort Knox.

I am just relieved that you have seen this Fox so you can do something about it.....and the bunnies are safe if not a little un nerved.
Foxes get more daring in the breeding season and I believe they have their cubs in the autumn, so now is a risky time as they venture ever closed to houses to get a food source.

Please let us know what you do to protect your garden as it is useful for other people too :D

Lazylops
03-09-2004, 10:41 AM
Hello Amelia, well apart from the obvious concern, foxes are quite charismatic beasts, and unfortunately due to us eating more and more into their territory with our housing, we really are going to have to get used to seeing them about more, as our increasing builds has a knock-on effect to the fox, in decreasing their food supply.

Foxes are opportunists, so I would try to protect your garden by a high fence etc, and possibly dig a trench underneath and put mesh there to prevent them digging under, or the possibility of this.

Bolts on doors and only out in runs or garden under direct supervision.

Years ago you would never see a fox out in broad daylight, but diminishing food supplies has led them to do so.

Amelia
03-09-2004, 11:06 AM
It's hard as obviously I'm very cross with the fox but at the same time it's not his fault as he's only doing what comes naturally to him.

I would love to keep the bunnies as house rabbits but unfortunately our landlady has asked that we don't have the rabbits in the house, although there are in the kitchen at the moment (poor tigs is in one of the cupboards at the moment - I guess she feels safe though as it is dark!)

The shed they are kept in is padlocked and they do have a run (one of the green ones that are from pws greenline) which I can put onto concrete so the fox wouldn't be able to did under it.

Thanks for all the advice, looks like I'm going to have a busy weekend fox proofing the garden (last weekend was bunnyproofing it!) :)

nicola
03-09-2004, 11:29 AM
go to your hairdressers and ask for some hair.Put it in pop socks dotted about your garden fences, wall etc.They dont like the smell of humans so it keeps them away!(it works for me!!)

Lazylops
03-09-2004, 11:30 AM
Or, if nothing else it will certainly be a conversation starter.... :lol:

Tamsin
03-09-2004, 12:04 PM
Make sure you have proper welded mesh not chicken wire on hutches/runs and that its firmly attached. Thin plywood hutches aren't nearly as secure as thicker wood ones.

Have you thought about turning them into house bunnies?

Tam

anon101
03-09-2004, 12:18 PM
It would be a good idea to dig a trench and sink weld mesh wire underground so they cant dig under your fence. But bear in mind if you just sink the wire a few feet down vertical they will dig straight under it if they really want to get in your garden.

The best way to do it is to sink the wire a few feet vertical and then have the wire going horizontal away from your fence a few feet. That way the Fox is going to hit wire as soon as it start's to dig's. It's highly unlikely a fox is going to start digging a few feet away from the fence! There not that bright! :o)

Fox's dont jump up high fence's they scarmble. They have got incredibly strong paws/claw's. A six foot fence wont stop them. The only way you can stop them going over a fence/wall is if you put a ledge on the top of your fence/wall so its facing away from you garden. Sort of like this \ . The Fox wll find it incrediably hard to get over it.

If the Fox does get in your garden and the Rabbit's are in the run's/hutche's. They need to be very secure. Fox'es can tear Chicken wire with there paw's, so run's and hutch front's need to be made from weld mesh with animal proof latche's/bolt's. Mkae sure you wire the bottom of your run's as they will dig.

I have been told that Dog's are a good deterent.

The only GOOD deterent for a Fox is, is to make your garden Fox proof.

When you start puttng powder's down and using Ultra Sonic system's you start disturbing other animal's.

Louise

Amelia
03-09-2004, 12:31 PM
Hi

Thanks very much for all the good advice, after crawling through the undergrowth I may have found where the fox has got in I think i may have found where the fox has got in, there is a small gap between one of the wooden panels and the wall so I think it may have scrabbled its way through there.

I'll be taking a trip down to Homebase this weekend to get more fox proofing materials.

I'm lucky in the fact that the wall surrounding the garden has very deep foundations which the bunnies discovered after a hard afternoon's digging so hopefully it will be highly unlikely the fox will be able to dig under there.

Thanks for the suggestion about putting a slant on the wall. Another thing I will be doing this weekend.

The run I have for them is thick wire coated in plastic which I think the fox would find very hard to get through.

I'm due to a trip to the hairdressers so will ask them to save my hair :lol:

Amelia

Tamsin
03-09-2004, 12:55 PM
Also the hutches tha come with blocks of wood that twist as closings can easily be opened so fit proper bolts. Goodluck with the DIY!

Tamsin

Lazylops
03-09-2004, 01:53 PM
just keep in mind the old sayings:

Sly as a Fox. They are pretty clever mammals. Ive studied them as part of the Mammal Society - Species Surveys and Population Dynamics of British Mammals.

annie :D

Bunnyboarding
03-09-2004, 08:25 PM
I know this sounds a bit rude, but our local inspector (who has also worked on the Fox project) told me that i should encourage my husband to go & pee in the back garden :oops: as the foxes are territorial & are better deterred by the scent of the urine of a dominant male (human or canine)!! We now have an uncastrated male dog that happily does the honours! The inspector's suggestion gave us something to laugh about though!

He too said to forget trying to fox-proof the garden as they'll get in anywhere. If you think about it, you may have a very high fence, but if a neighbour has a bin or object on the other side, then they can easily hop over anyway!

Lazylops
03-09-2004, 08:29 PM
oh goodness the images that could conjure up :lol:

neighbour: I have a small observation to make about some activities that go on in your garden with you and your husband, now obviously it is purely up to you what you do on your own territory, and I understand that you have rabbits, but do you not think that you are taking the whole 'rabbit' thing a little too far.....? :shock:

Adele
03-09-2004, 08:34 PM
I know this sounds a bit rude, but our local inspector (who has also worked on the Fox project) told me that i should encourage my husband to go & pee in the back garden


Hiya! I do not think this is rude :D sounds quite reasonable when you understand a Foxes behaviour....mind you, if my husband started weeing in the shrubbery on the pretence that he was warding off those Foxes(when in reality he was too lazy to pop indoors to the Loo)...I would have a thing or two to say about this anti social behaviour :lol: :lol:

I think you would soon be fed up drinking gallons of water just so you could produce extra urine for the garden,...there HAS to be an easier anti Fox deterant than this :lol:
Like have no rabbits to encourage them into the garden in the first place for instance :shock: :shock: :lol:

emilou
03-09-2004, 08:45 PM
On one side of my house I have a nature reserve and the other side is the sea. There are 3 foxy families that live on my doorstep. On night we left the conservatory doors open, my two dogs were asleep in the kitchin ajoining to the consevatory. We used to to have a massive shoe rack in the conservatory by the back door where all six of my family kept their shoes. One morning we woke up to find one of nearly every pair of shoes scattered around our back garden my nan woke up seeing foxes playing about carrying shoes around on the patio!!!My dogs didnt even wake up.

Adele
03-09-2004, 08:48 PM
One morning we woke up to find one of nearly every pair of shoes scattered around our back garden my nan woke up seeing foxes playing about carrying shoes around on the patio!!!

aaahhh!! Bless their Souls (SOLES :?: ) :lol: :lol: :lol:
What a lovely Foxy tale, and in such a beautiful setting too.....I can just picture it now :D

rngpwelfare
03-09-2004, 08:59 PM
We were raided by the fox a few months back and have now had to place an electirc fence around our compound.
We have also put the slanted wood pieces on the top of all the fence posts and run the wire around them aswell.
He seems to have got the message and hasn't been back.

Adele
03-09-2004, 09:04 PM
He seems to have got the message and hasn't been back.
Tracy I am so glad to hear this news, as I know you were having a bit of trouble with Mr. Fox..it just shows you can out wit them if you try hard enough.... :D I think I will stick to this idea for keeping the foxes at bay, and not the other WEE one :lol: :lol:

Bunnyboarding
03-09-2004, 10:21 PM
Hi there,

I could just imagine the neighbours looking out & getting a bit of a shock. We hadn't had our downstairs loo built at the time & we had a good laugh that at least he had an excuse not to have to go upstairs!!! :lol: :wink:

Bunnyboarding
03-09-2004, 10:25 PM
On one side of my house I have a nature reserve and the other side is the sea. There are 3 foxy families that live on my doorstep. On night we left the conservatory doors open, my two dogs were asleep in the kitchin ajoining to the consevatory. We used to to have a massive shoe rack in the conservatory by the back door where all six of my family kept their shoes. One morning we woke up to find one of nearly every pair of shoes scattered around our back garden my nan woke up seeing foxes playing about carrying shoes around on the patio!!!My dogs didnt even wake up.

That is so true. People say to me all the time that 'Oh we won't get foxes as we have a dog', I quickly inform them it actually makes little difference. From what the RSPCA inspector said it sounds like your best bet is a male dog weeing in the garden rather than being on 24 hr alert (which, occasionally, they are not :wink: )

Adele
04-09-2004, 07:45 AM
Hi there,

I could just imagine the neighbours looking out & getting a bit of a shock. We hadn't had our downstairs loo built at the time & we had a good laugh that at least he had an excuse not to have to go upstairs!!! :lol: :wink:

:shock: :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Amelia
05-09-2004, 04:46 PM
Hi

Thanks v much for all the suggestions!

I have decided that as already mentioned that unless I fox proof all the gardens in my row, my bunnies are not going to be safe from Mr Fox so my OH is currently in the process of building a massive fox proof run for them which will probably take up most the garden anyway so hopefully they won't lose too much space.

They can alsos till have supervised runs in the garden :)

I went to one of the large pet stores (not naming any names) this morning to look at runns and the runs they were selling were absolutely disgusting - they were so small and flimsy (and v overpriced) hence why we are now building one!

I have yet to mention to the OH about the weeing in the garden - I don't want to encourage him! :lol:

AmberUK
05-09-2004, 05:14 PM
I wouldn't trust the shop bought ones to be fox proof. You looked at chicken runs? There are some places that have runs that are suposed to be fox proof and are very big. But it all depends on what you have to spend. I had a look at http://www.simply-summerhouses.co.uk/index.htm but have never used them but some of their ideas were a bit mad. There were some on ebay at some point too.

Amelia
05-09-2004, 06:35 PM
Hi

Didn't even think of chicken runs! Just looked on that website and I like the look of the large chicken run, not sure my funds woud stretch to that at the mo though!

Has given me some ideas though......

AmberUK
05-09-2004, 06:44 PM
I had exactly the same problem. I saw a second hand one advertised once in a local paper. Might also be an area to look at. One of the rescues makes runs - http://www.bracknellrabbitrescue.50megs.com/ they _might_ make to order? I am not sure but they seemed ok runs.

Softhart
20-12-2005, 06:40 PM
a fox killed my 4 guinea pigs early on in the year. We put up an electric fence all around the compound. Its difently worked since then.

AlisonA
20-12-2005, 06:54 PM
Foxes can definitely jump a 6 ft fence so that won't put them off, especially if they know there are bunnies the other side!

Also, although the PWS greenline stuff is very sturdy, the mesh size is very big so you should cover it with something smaller, as otherwise a fox will be able to get his paws through and may be able to grab at a rabbit. I have heard stories of bunnies/piggies being grabbed against the bars by a fox :cry: We have occasional fox visitors round our way and I use the pws run and am 100% confident that it is fox proof. It is meshed round the outside to stop the paw swiping and is partly covered with corrugated plastic for both protection and shelter. Once I've re-jigged the garden, I'm planning on buying an appropriate sized piece of high quality clear tarpaulin for the top (and sides in bad weather) to protect them more.

doorkeeper
20-12-2005, 07:21 PM
go to your hairdressers and ask for some hair.Put it in pop socks dotted about your garden fences, wall etc.They dont like the smell of humans so it keeps them away!(it works for me!!)

This is really interesting. I have always wondered why we have never had a fox in the garden even before there was a six foot fence all the way around. I have seen one on the path directly behind the house several times, and hear them bark quite often. When I hear noise in the night the first thing I think is 'Oh my God a fox' and I leap out of bed and check the garden. I have surprised a few cats that way :lol: But never a fox.

Whenever I cut the boys hair I scatter it around the garden - somehow it seems wrong to just throw it away :oops: Maybe this has detered the fox :?: Although I haven't done it for a while now as they both have long hair now - I'll have to get them to have it short again :lol: Or cut my own.

lucycat
20-12-2005, 07:41 PM
We have foxes who live in a field to the rear of our garden. We have a combination of fence sizes but I have seen a fox leap onto the top of the six foot size (labrador next door; we have a male cocker spaniel). It set the security light off so I saw it.

Id say never leave your bunnies out without you being there. I sit at the end of the garden (fox end) when mine are out binkying and supervise. Got a bench there especially!

Ive got one of those sonic things but its a bit of a mare as the cat sets it off, the tarpaulin in the wind sets it off and the rabbits set it off and they can hear it. But due to our garden shape and position of their run/hutch it makes it tricky. Ebay 25 quid!

**Bonnie**
21-12-2005, 10:23 AM
I got one of those sonic things.

A fox has def visited our garden in the middle of the night as its chewed my berlud trainers!! never ever seen one during the day and would be surprised given that there is always people walking down our road and the road behind (v busy as near high street).

Apparently thouse sonic things don't work though :( someon on here said that and i can't remember who???

i may try the hair thing, might get some from my local hairdressrs - they may thing im nuts though!