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MimzMum

Wise Old Thumper
Only place to bring it to where there are those that understand is here. I'm going to try not to totally bash my new vets, but doggone it...I am tired of getting railroaded with the "We can't do that," stuff.

Mimzy is doing beautifully on baytril twice a day. In the past he's needed it on a multi-monthly basis to get through things like head tilt, urine sludge, ear infections, etc. He is an E.C. bunny and situations since the move have stressed him enough to bring these running under the radar infections to the fore in his system. It used to be I had to get Revolution for him constantly because he would continually wind up with mites (should've seen that as a warning sign from the off) and this was always a red flag for his health going south.

He's just really cleared up some bad urine sludge that has been with him some time. His eyes are not as weepy, and his leg is really starting to look better, but my new vet will not prescribe him more baytril (he will likely need it the rest of his life in one form or other) so that he can be comfortable and keep from having to go downhill and then another long trip to the vet 25 miles away, more stress, then more recuperation time...it's just not fair.

Vet told me I could see if my old vet would prescribe it but I'm fairly sure that's out of the question as they haven't seen him in 4 months and they're in another state, but I'm going to give it a try for his sake. This vet blasted me for "taking the chance on destroying his gut"...for God's sake, how many times do I have to tell her we've done this before with no ill effects, if anything it improves his lot immensely? And then she gives me this, "Oh we just can't legally do that, I even asked (the rabbit savvy vet) and he said no too."

I hate trying to make people see that something that's been rote for a long time is okay for this particular pet and they are just too close minded to come around. They've got his files, they must see that he's often been on at least a one month on and one month off regimen if they've bothered to read them! I'm worried now that Mimzy will deteriorate again and suffer and all he needs is this consistent dose of abx. He's doing so well, even his fur looks lovely again and he's eating and drinking more and his output is excellent. Now we're going to return to the sludgy urine and the discomfort and god only knows that this is going to do to his leg which is still healing. He's only been treated for two weeks and with baytril we all know that sometimes that's simply not enough. I can't do injections, so Pen-G is out of the question and I'm not making him travel every other day to get them.

I'm just so effing :censored: and this 'legality' business is a new excuse on me. Are they seriously going to deny an animal treatment? Or am I wrong? I'd gladly put up some images if anyone wants to see if he looks at all healthy right now, barring the fact that he's an old, creaky bunny. God knows he could use a little more analgesic cover as well, but I don't dare ask for that now!

I'd hate to think this is all going to lead to me having to let him go, and then like I've said before, may as well release Fiver also as he won't be able to cope completely on his own. I can already see he is pining for Pip. :( But Mimzy is really doing well right now and I hate to see that ruined...again.

Guess I'm up against it and there's no winning this one, and sorry, but not sorry...that simply makes me furious.
I feel like my journey with rabbits is coming to an end, and with Pip being the first when she should have been the last, I'm just not ready. And I don't think my boys are either. :cry:

rant over :evil:
 
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I remember the same frustration with my bridge bun Noodle - she was a snuffle bun but kept nicely under control with baytril too til the local vet decided it was "irresponsible to rabbit kind" to continue prescribing it as this would contribute to antibiotic resistance. My specialist went on to prescribe it for most of her life. Its so not fair to make our buns (& us) travel so much just to access a simple & effective drug. Really hoping your old vet can help.
 
Thanks, J&B, I was beginning to think it was just me that found this frustrating.

I really do hope my old vet will consider this. He was a decent chap. I understand if there are certain rules and restrictions because I'm dealing with that with my own medical stuff, but come on peeps, it's a wee bunny and this is what makes his quality of life worth living for. :?

I was able to order his metacam from their online pharmacy, so hopefully I can do this also.
 
I can so understand this stupid "legal" stuff, I'm fuming about this myself! My duck is really sick and my vets have said there's not a lot they can give him because many abx are illegal for ducks (this goes for rabbits too) yet I've gotten baytril for ducks and rabbits before?! Right now he's on an injectable abx that costs $200+ for 7 injections. From what I gather, we're in trouble if this doesn't work because they can't legally prescribe more. They said they would have preferred actually to put him on a different abx that's normally used to treat what he has but it's illegal. And I asked if he could be prescribed more of the first abx he was on and they pretty much said that 7 days ought to have been enough. Well no, it wasn't, because he's got a very serious infection! He was so much better by day 7, then went downhill when taken off it. So sick of the word "illegal" now!

I'm not sure if I should be mad at my vets or not because they seem nice and caring...I'm avoiding saying my duck's name or too many details in case they come across this in a google search...my duck's name is unusual, among other things. I'm certainly mad at these stupid regulations though! How many animals are having to suffer because of this simply because they're "food producing animals"? What does it matter with pets - it's not as if anyone's going to take an animal to the vet and spend hundreds of dollars on them only to eat them later :? And my duck is male so obviously no one could eat his eggs. It's all just completely idiotic and no thought is being put into the individual animal. As if they're just a sacrifice worth accepting for the sake of everyone else.

Do you think it might be possible to go to another vet with Mimzy and see if they would prescribe baytril? I don't really know how it works, like if there's files they would be able to pull up and see that another vet has denied baytril for him on legality reasons? It's just ridiculous considering his past, there's plenty of evidence that this is what he needs. I think there may be places online to buy baytril without a vet prescription, I read about it once on a chicken forum. So that might be possible if it comes to that.
 
Sorry to hear you're having similar problems, William. :( I know that exotics care for bunnies is extortionate, but I can only imagine how it is for ducks! :( Sadly, I think my rabbits are only seen as livestock here and not given quite the same consideration as cats, dogs and especially horses which seem to be a big thing around these parts. I don't mind horses, but I don't like large animal vets trying to act like they do small pets as well, at least here they seem to be literally a different breed of doctor, imo. So no offense to anyone who has a great vet that manages both ends of the spectrum.

What also cheesed me off was how they handled things when I dropped off Pip. She was quickly and unceremoniously whisked into a back room and in the meantime I was practically robbed of my debit card to cover the ridiculously large cost, then basically dismissed without so much as a "I'm sorry for your loss." I felt more like a bother than anything else. It was really insensitive. I'm starting to feel marked as 'the crazy bunny lady' that no one wants to talk to.

Whether this vet office truly can't prescribe meds past a certain point or not, Mimzy is already looking worse for wear this evening and he hasn't even been off the drug 48 hours yet. His eyes are gunky, his cecals are mushy and his wee is already getting darker. He seems lacking in the energy he had a day or so ago and I am having a hard time shutting my eyes as I just want to keep going back out to the bunny room and watch him...no doubt for fear he will wind up like Pip.

It's 4 AM here and I'll have to wait till after 8 AM in Alaska to call my old vet, but I'm not sitting still for this. My boy needs help. I've never heard of getting pet meds online without a script, so if it comes to not being able to procure the baytril from my old vet, then I just may have to see another one here, but not sure she is any better as she freely admits she's not up on rabbits and she's the one who got Jenna's blindness wrong. :?
I also have a recheck scheduled for Jenna with yet another doctor from the current vet on Saturday because despite the one who saw her saying she should've been cured in the first 24 hours of having abx (excuse me???) Jenna still had some bleeding the other night from this supposed bladder infection she's got and now the vet is telling me I might have to have another ultrasound urine draw (they made her shriek the first time :( ) plus an xray to see if she has stones! :? I must look like I'm made of money in my thrift store clothes!

I'd best stop before I say any more, I am too angry to discuss it further.
 
Only place to bring it to where there are those that understand is here. I'm going to try not to totally bash my new vets, but doggone it...I am tired of getting railroaded with the "We can't do that," stuff.

Mimzy is doing beautifully on baytril twice a day. In the past he's needed it on a multi-monthly basis to get through things like head tilt, urine sludge, ear infections, etc. He is an E.C. bunny and situations since the move have stressed him enough to bring these running under the radar infections to the fore in his system. It used to be I had to get Revolution for him constantly because he would continually wind up with mites (should've seen that as a warning sign from the off) and this was always a red flag for his health going south.

He's just really cleared up some bad urine sludge that has been with him some time. His eyes are not as weepy, and his leg is really starting to look better, but my new vet will not prescribe him more baytril (he will likely need it the rest of his life in one form or other) so that he can be comfortable and keep from having to go downhill and then another long trip to the vet 25 miles away, more stress, then more recuperation time...it's just not fair.

Vet told me I could see if my old vet would prescribe it but I'm fairly sure that's out of the question as they haven't seen him in 4 months and they're in another state, but I'm going to give it a try for his sake. This vet blasted me for "taking the chance on destroying his gut"...for God's sake, how many times do I have to tell her we've done this before with no ill effects, if anything it improves his lot immensely? And then she gives me this, "Oh we just can't legally do that, I even asked (the rabbit savvy vet) and he said no too."

I hate trying to make people see that something that's been rote for a long time is okay for this particular pet and they are just too close minded to come around. They've got his files, they must see that he's often been on at least a one month on and one month off regimen if they've bothered to read them! I'm worried now that Mimzy will deteriorate again and suffer and all he needs is this consistent dose of abx. He's doing so well, even his fur looks lovely again and he's eating and drinking more and his output is excellent. Now we're going to return to the sludgy urine and the discomfort and god only knows that this is going to do to his leg which is still healing. He's only been treated for two weeks and with baytril we all know that sometimes that's simply not enough. I can't do injections, so Pen-G is out of the question and I'm not making him travel every other day to get them.

I'm just so effing :censored: and this 'legality' business is a new excuse on me. Are they seriously going to deny an animal treatment? Or am I wrong? I'd gladly put up some images if anyone wants to see if he looks at all healthy right now, barring the fact that he's an old, creaky bunny. God knows he could use a little more analgesic cover as well, but I don't dare ask for that now!

I'd hate to think this is all going to lead to me having to let him go, and then like I've said before, may as well release Fiver also as he won't be able to cope completely on his own. I can already see he is pining for Pip. :( But Mimzy is really doing well right now and I hate to see that ruined...again.

Guess I'm up against it and there's no winning this one, and sorry, but not sorry...that simply makes me furious.
I feel like my journey with rabbits is coming to an end, and with Pip being the first when she should have been the last, I'm just not ready. And I don't think my boys are either. :cry:

rant over :evil:



I think you've every reason to be pee'd off MM. I would be too.

I haven't come across a vet who won't prescribe long term antibiotics, luckily, but I did come across one who said that Baytril was the only drug she would prescribe for a jaw abscess - told me that my recommendation for Penicillin injections would kill my rabbit :roll: They don't know everything and I know you're not bashing them and neither am I, but who's interests should they have at heart? Our rabbits.

In my opinion rules are there to be bent, if not broken, when life and death and quality of life are at stake.

I hope your old vet can prescribe for you without you making a long journey. Here in the UK a vet can prescribe at a distance for a rabbit when they have seen them within the last six months. I did this only recently and got some meds 'on spec' as I needed them but didn't have the rabbit with me :lol:

Wishing you loads of luck and anti-frustration vibes xxx
 
I hope you get this sorted, I feel angry for you. Nothing worse then feeling helpless when you know what the solution is but the vet won't give you what you need.
 
Thanks all! :)
Okay, phoned my old vet. Not certain if he's going to be able to help, but he won't be in till Sunday anyway and of course the receptionist (who is always lovely) cannot order meds that aren't obviously posted for refills, so we have to muddle through till then. :(
At least when I told her that Pip was gone she sounded genuinely sorry. They remember the bubs well and I'm sure that once she archives her files that I'm liable to get a wee card in the mail, even though she didn't pass away up there.
Pip should've been picked up today from the vet here if the crem was able to get through. :cry: God I still miss her so very much. Little memories are coming through now that just dissolve me. :cry:
If anyone has any vibes going spare, both my wee lads could use them actually. Fiver is still pining for Pip and Mimzy seems very low key at the moment and I'm watching him like a hawk. :(

Many TIA! :wave:
 
All the vibes in the world for Fiver and Mimzy. Big hugs for you too!
Just an idea but if the other vet in the area has admitted that she isn't very rabbit savvy then maybe she will be more willing to listen to you about what's right for Mimzy if you explain the situation.
Another option would be to ring your vet again and explain that Mimzy is now visibly different since stopping the Baytril. Tell them about him lacking in energy, the gunky eyes etc and see if they will change their mind.
I really feel for you :(
I hope that you manage to sort all this out sooner rather than later. It must be very difficult/frustrating not being able to get what you need!!
 
Absolutely ssending {{{vibes}}} for Fiver, Mimzy, the other fur balls and yourself! I do hope you're old vet is open to giving you an ongoing script. Fingers crossed. If he will, you may be able to get him send it direct to where you're buying it from. Also, some companies have a form the vet can fill out on their site then you just send hard copy of the script later. I did that once before. You can save quite a bit too.
If you can't continue on baytril, could you try something like grapefruit seed extract now while he is in good form?
 
Sorry to hear you are having problems getting the right treatment MM. Some vets just seem to want to do things by the book, and never look at the animal. I have had similar problems in the past, with the rabbit savvy vet at my practice. Even just now, he has been dragging his heels about giving Bubble adequate pain relief for his ulcers, because of the possible side effects.

I don't see why they can't explain the possible problem to the owners, and see if they still want to go ahead with the treatment. When our buns are getting on in years and have long term health problems, it is more important to keep them comfortable than worry about problems in the future.

Sorry to hear that you felt bad dropping precious little Pip off. Sending hugs, and vibes for you all.
 
Sending you lots of hugs MinzMum and loads of vibes for your boys. I really hope that yu can get something sorted out.
 
Thanks all! :)
Okay, phoned my old vet. Not certain if he's going to be able to help, but he won't be in till Sunday anyway and of course the receptionist (who is always lovely) cannot order meds that aren't obviously posted for refills, so we have to muddle through till then. :(
At least when I told her that Pip was gone she sounded genuinely sorry. They remember the bubs well and I'm sure that once she archives her files that I'm liable to get a wee card in the mail, even though she didn't pass away up there.
Pip should've been picked up today from the vet here if the crem was able to get through. :cry: God I still miss her so very much. Little memories are coming through now that just dissolve me. :cry:
If anyone has any vibes going spare, both my wee lads could use them actually. Fiver is still pining for Pip and Mimzy seems very low key at the moment and I'm watching him like a hawk. :(

Many TIA! :wave:


Sending loads of vibes your way ..for them and also for you. ((((( hugs ))))) xx
 
Sorry I didn't get back to this thread this week. As I feared, my vet in Alaska will not prescribe and has just told me to take him back to this vet here and give it another go. I can tell him what they'll say.
Mimzy has an appointment set for next Tuesday in the local office. I dread that she's going to have him put him down. I was shocked to find the other night that his right ear (the 'up' one and the one on the side with the poorly leg) was full of wax buildup...all the way out to the pinna edge. I cleaned him up but poor bub was shaking his head for hours afterwards because this always irritates him a bit to have it done.

I also have an appointment tomorrow (well later today really) for Ebon to be seen for hotspots and a strange mass on her neck. Thanking you all for the vibes we've gotten so far and could we please have a few more?
 
Sorry to hear that your old vet can't help. I don't know why some vets insist things are done the way they say. Even if something has helped in the past they just ignore it. Surely they should give what you ask for rather than PST :(.

Sending loads of vibes for you all.
 
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