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Rudgwick steam fair

nicola

Young Bun
I went to the steam fair in rudgwick yesterday and guess what i found??!!!

A tent full of cages with show bunnies in them :evil: it was stuffy and muggy in there and they were all panting like mad.There where people proding and poking them too :x .There were breeds i had never heard of and most of them were for sale.I did ask the lady why she was selling them there as surely people would buy on impulse and she said "they are excess stock so here is as good a place to sell them as any".
 
Oh Dear this does not sound too good....impromptu bunny buys are the worst scenario as folk can not have got things such as accommodation into place for the bunny first, or had information as to their needs.
I think this is something that we could work together on as a Forum, and if bunnies have to be sold in this way :? then at least regulations should be enforced to ensure all the relevant information for caring for the bunny is given out at the time.

I certainly do not agree with the statement made that selling the bunnies at the Steam Rally is as good a place as any to sell them from...unless of course information sheets and advice were given out at the same time??.
As we were not there though, we have to trust those that were for a complete picture.
 
Nicola, can you find out who organised the steam fair? Surely the local council would have had to have people booking stalls etc.
 
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nicola said:
A tent full of cages with show bunnies in them

Can we be careful not to assume where the bunnies can from, just because there was a range of breeds doesn't make them show bunnies, :)

Thanks,
Tam
 
~I cant remember the place but the sign was for a rabbit fanciers club and the lady said she bred them for showing.~All the peolpe were in white coats with the somewhere rabbit fanciers club on the top pocket/
 
First of all, I don't know which rabbit club had the display at Rudgwick, so I can't comment on the set-up at this show!

But I'd like to say that, at the shows I have been to where there has been a "For Sale" section, it has been very well run and the quality of advice is better than many pet shops!

First of all, the sales section at the shows I am familiar with is managed by fanciers who are doing this voluntarily, and are experienced. The rabbits on sale are all checked over for problems such as signs of illness, or bad teeth, are sexed and will not be accepted for sale if there is anything wrong.

The rabbits are sold according to the BRC sales guidelines (as mentioned in another thread); in brief, this means no sales to anyone under 16 without parents present and giving permission, and the rabbits are not sold under 8 weeks of age, as well as the other considerations outlined in the code of practice.

The buyers also given the name & address of the seller - and the seller is given the name & address of the buyer after the show. If the breeder/seller is present at the show (which they usually are), they can be called over to answer any questions the prospective new owner may have and meet them face to face.

The new buyers are given care sheets, quizzed on what kind of accommodation they have at home; given a week's supply of food, and provided with a strong, well-sized cardboard box filled with bedding & hay for the journey home. They are allowed to handle and examine any of the rabbits for sale, without obligation and with no pressure from a salesperson.

They are also permitted to leave the rabbit they have reserved (or paid for in full) until after the show if they wish, meaning that the family or individual can have a "cooling off" period; come back later and change their minds if they wish.

In addition, the sales staff know their breeds inside out, and can advise on specialist care for the rabbits on sale, including the proper care of long-haired breeds! And they will not sell to "just anybody" either - if they are uncertain or suspect the person is not genuinely going to care for the rabbit, they can - and will - persuade them against it.

As I said to start with, that is how I have seen my local rabbit clubs manage their sales at shows; I don't know who was in charge at Rudgwick.

All in all, I would say that it is managed much better than many pet shops; in fact I can only think of one pet shop I've ever seen that takes this much care and provides as much to new owners.

Having recently met someone who bought a long-haired rabbit from P@H with little advice, not even told it would need grooming, or how big it would get, and was allowed to take it without being asked if they had anywhere to put it, and given no guidance on suitable housing... not to mention not being given its age, and nobody noticed it had a bite wound on its face... I think I'd have rather advised these people to try a rabbit show instead!
 
Yes, just because they were on sale there doesn't necessarily follow that the owners would let them be brought by anyone or without guidence. I imagine that the clubs attendance was advertised and many visitors turned up to see the rabbits rather than just people passing through and wanting to buy on impulse.

Presumably the show organisers rather than the club provided the tent so thats perhaps something the club needs to take up with them if it wasn't suitable.

Tam
 
I don't think that that is all representive of all shows. i would like it be but it is simply not true.

Bob

Pendragon said:
First of all, I don't know which rabbit club had the display at Rudgwick, so I can't comment on the set-up at this show!

But I'd like to say that, at the shows I have been to where there has been a "For Sale" section, it has been very well run and the quality of advice is better than many pet shops!

First of all, the sales section at the shows I am familiar with is managed by fanciers who are doing this voluntarily, and are experienced. The rabbits on sale are all checked over for problems such as signs of illness, or bad teeth, are sexed and will not be accepted for sale if there is anything wrong.

The rabbits are sold according to the BRC sales guidelines (as mentioned in another thread); in brief, this means no sales to anyone under 16 without parents present and giving permission, and the rabbits are not sold under 8 weeks of age, as well as the other considerations outlined in the code of practice.

The buyers also given the name & address of the seller - and the seller is given the name & address of the buyer after the show. If the breeder/seller is present at the show (which they usually are), they can be called over to answer any questions the prospective new owner may have and meet them face to face.

The new buyers are given care sheets, quizzed on what kind of accommodation they have at home; given a week's supply of food, and provided with a strong, well-sized cardboard box filled with bedding & hay for the journey home. They are allowed to handle and examine any of the rabbits for sale, without obligation and with no pressure from a salesperson.

They are also permitted to leave the rabbit they have reserved (or paid for in full) until after the show if they wish, meaning that the family or individual can have a "cooling off" period; come back later and change their minds if they wish.

In addition, the sales staff know their breeds inside out, and can advise on specialist care for the rabbits on sale, including the proper care of long-haired breeds! And they will not sell to "just anybody" either - if they are uncertain or suspect the person is not genuinely going to care for the rabbit, they can - and will - persuade them against it.

As I said to start with, that is how I have seen my local rabbit clubs manage their sales at shows; I don't know who was in charge at Rudgwick.

All in all, I would say that it is managed much better than many pet shops; in fact I can only think of one pet shop I've ever seen that takes this much care and provides as much to new owners.

Having recently met someone who bought a long-haired rabbit from P@H with little advice, not even told it would need grooming, or how big it would get, and was allowed to take it without being asked if they had anywhere to put it, and given no guidance on suitable housing... not to mention not being given its age, and nobody noticed it had a bite wound on its face... I think I'd have rather advised these people to try a rabbit show instead!
 
Bob said:
I don't think that that is all representive of all shows. i would like it be but it is simply not true.

As I hope I made plain, that is how I have seen things done at my local shows; I fully agree that other clubs may differ.

I am in a fairly good position as an observer, as I have only recently started going to shows again, and the differences are very obvious to me.

20+ years ago, there was nothing like this at any shows I ever went to. You would see a card on a pen in the main show with a price on it, try to find who owned the rabbit, and that was all...

Respect,
 
I do not want to start an argument here but i was there and you were not.There were many people with small kids "oh mummy please can we have it?"and as most of them were only £10 -£15 they are hell cheaper than petshops.The lady i watched buy a mini rex was asked were she was keeping it and she said they would get a hutch and the woman selling it told her one from a petshop would be fine.(i dont know about you but i have never seen a decent sized hutch in a petshop).They had a frenchlop cross english lop who was 2 years old and was bundled into a very small box as the woman had run out of bigger ones.Again nothing was given to her, no food ,no info, :evil: nothing.I spoke to this lady and asked if she had had one before and she said no she just felt sorry for it being in a 2ft by 2ft cage.Luckily her older daughter seemed to know a thing or two about them though.These rabbits were sold for profit only and as they all had different breeders(who were not there)they cant have cared about where there bunnies went.If i was a breeder i would be at the place to see my bunnies new owners to make decisions as to wether they were good enough.
 
Nicola, I am sorry that this experience has obviously upset you, perhaps you could write a letter of your concerns to the Show Organisers and see if they can address some of your points.
it is difficult for anyone to comment on this specific show as we did not attend it.
I agree with Sue that folk should not class one not so good experience as the norm right across the rabbit board, all we can do is to try and address individual situations as they arise.
If you would like to try and compose a letter, and wish to pm it across to either myself (Adele) or Tamsin for any further input you are very welcome.
A letter based on constructive ideas for the future may be more easily accepted and digested by the show organisers, rather than a long list of criticisms...what do you think Nicola??
 
I bought my rabbit from an agricultural show where there was a rabbit tent.
I had mixed thoughts about it. Firstly the ladies who were manning the 'sale' area were very helpful, told me where i could see adults of the breed and allowed me to handle the rabbit, ask questions etc. When i decided to buy him (it was an impluse buy i must admit) I was given a week of food and advised how to change feed, what to feed him on and what i could house him in as a house rabbit. I didnt have a cage as i wasnt planning on getting a rabbit. My name and address was taken but i wasnt given the breeder's contact details.
As it turned out my rabbit didnt quite turn out like i imagined but he's still gorgeous and im glad i got him. with help from other breeders i have met i have learnt to groom him and keep him looking great.
Chris
 
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