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Whitesnowy
11-11-2016, 12:28 AM
I'm curious what is the percentage of BOUGHT vs ADOPTED rabbits in the country/area where you live?
And what is your opinion - should a person ever buy a pet?

Mackers
11-11-2016, 06:30 AM
I wouldn't have a clue I'm afraid. But due to the distinct lack of rescues where I live, and MOST folk's unwillingness to travel more than about a mile to adopt :roll:, I should imagine most bunnies are bought from pet stores, either large or independent.

Personally, I don't think buying is bad IF you are a responsible owner who isn't going to dump that pet when something better comes along or it no longer matches your furniture. I can only really relate this example to dogs because I bought puppies and all my small fluffs are adopted. But IMO, it's irresponsible ownership or breeding that creates the dumped pet problems and I get right pee'd off when it's suggested to me that I am no better than the chav who churns out countless staffy pups a year to make a fast buck or the couple who buy a puppy "from a bloke in the pub", only to discard it 6 months later when it's no longer a fluffy pup, has eaten all the skirting boards due to lack of exercise and boredom, and nipped the owner due to bad handling.

A responsible breeder will vet potential owners and take back any pets they bred should their owners be in a position where they can no longer look after them (ie. a death in the family and granny's dog is left behind, or being made homeless etc - NOT because you've had a baby and can't manage both a small human AND a dog) . A responsible owner takes care of their pet for its whole life, irrespective of where they obtained it from and if they find themselves in dire circumstances they put the welfare of their pets first. After all, if there were NO breeders, there would eventually be no pets and the World would be a very sad place then :(.

daphnephoebe
11-11-2016, 08:36 AM
As Mackers has said, I'd have no idea on statistics.

I've had brought and rescued animals.

My two hamsters and two rabbits now are shop brought (all from the shop I worked in and ran), our gerbil is a rescue.
My ferrets before I had two shop brought and 5 rescues.
All of my animals get the care for their entire lives, I'll always find a way to make sure they have and get what they deserve.

For example, my ferrets in 7 years cost me around 6,000 in vets fees alone when I was working on 4 something an hour. (Below minimum as I was an apprentice).

They were never denied any treatment they needed. I'd rather give up things I wanted or needed, than to deny them their treatment or to rehome them.
Once an animals enters my life, it's there for good. (Except one ferret that was rehomed as he couldn't be entered into the group so he was best suited to life as a house ferret).

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Fellie
11-11-2016, 09:24 AM
Sorry - no idea but I would imagine more rabbits are bought than adopted, purely because it is easier to buy - I could go down to P@H and come home with a rabbit right now if I wanted - not so easy if adopting.

I've also bought and rescued rabbits - all animals that come into my home are here for life and get the best care and love that we can provide. We bought Harley from a breeder - the breeder sat and lectured and questioned us for 2 hours before we were even allowed to see Harley, and then another hour spent showing me how to groom her etc...and she would have taken her back if our circumstances changed. These days the breeder neuters/spays the bunnies before selling and only sells them in bonded pairs. Not all breeders are sharks.

We have also bought a puppy from 'a bloke in pub' - hubby couldn't bear not to. We couldn't have a dog then but we quickly managed to find a lovely home for her where she gets to run around with a big husky all day - she's grown into a big beautiful girl and I am so glad we did buy her that day...that to me was a rescue.

I am looking out for a lady bun for Bobo - I will adopt from a rescue - first time doing so as most of my buns have sort landed on my doorstep (in one case - literally!!!) but need to find a rescue that will do the bonding for me as we don't have space to keep two buns separate.

tulsi
11-11-2016, 09:27 AM
No idea. I would imagine that many people buy rabbits because it is so much easier and more instant than going to a rescue.

I impulse bought two of my four rabbits from a local pet shop, I found RU and adopted two more rabbits from barc rescue. They all live together now. The rescue rabbits were much better value having already been bonded and vaccinated but it cost loads to travel up to get them ...

All animals deserve good care and a long term home. Getting one from a rescue gives you a life times back up for that animal and frees up a space for another animal to come into rescue.

Fluffybunny54
11-11-2016, 10:13 AM
I reckon most rabbits and hamsters are bought from pet shops. As said before, it's easier to buy the whole shebang in one go. Lots of purchases are done on a whim. It's a bit more complicated to get a rescue. Some people would not be happy with a home check. I've had both. Years ago we would buy from local breeders, you would know someone breeding so you'd pop along and get one! After some years we visited our local rspca, whilst on a day out and came back with a rabbit. You just gave a donation. This is over 30 years ago. We'd occasionally be given an unwanted bun by a neighbour. I'm ashamed to say, we probably didn't look after them properly. Vets were a bit in the dark too. Now that veterinary care for buns has improved and knowledge has spread, via the net, etc., people are realising bunnies are very specialised. I only adopt from rescue now and have really good vets. I still think that most bunnies are bought, sometimes male and female, by accident and loads of babies are born unwanted. Hence the thousands in rescue centres all over the country.

*lily*
11-11-2016, 10:23 AM
I think most are bought, lots on impulse, as the rescue route can take a while and Society wants everything immediately.

When I lost Tilly, I was very worried about how Hettie would be (piggies for anyone who doesn't know). I looked at Pets at Home and Freeads, just in case, but luckily she has been fine so we are waiting on a little boy at RSPCA Walsall who has been neutered.

honeybunny
11-11-2016, 01:18 PM
Most are bought afterall where do you all think rescue pets come from? and people buy because it's easier and we live in a " I want and I want it NOW " society
And before anyone reads the rest of my post please note we all know how hard it is to resist the little face in the pet shop, or to want a certain breed and get your mind so firmly set on it you can't see beneath the fur.

Backyard breeders and puppy farms are the main concern and the government need to act on this.
Of course all animals deserve a good home and someone who researches first and buys a pet from a registered breeder and keeps the pet for life is not adding to the problem of unwanted pets.
But they are not helping the problem either.
As things stand animal rescues for all types of pet from horses down to guinea pigs and reptiles , are overflowing.
We are all constantly having to turn animals away.
There are simply too many animals for the homes available.
While this is the case then no one should buy a pet whatever reasons they may put forward for doing so.
Animals are dying for lack of homes and when you buy you encourage the industry and leave the rescue pet you could have adopted sat in the pound.
Strong action needs to be taken to reduce the amount of dogs, cats, rabbits ect that are being produced. And every person can affect this by their choices.
Many people just don't realise that hundreds of perfectly friendly and healthy animals are destroyed in this country each year due to lack of a home.
Rescuing is often soul destroying when people who are aware of this problem post about the kitten, puppy, or rabbit they "just had to buy" for one reason or another.
As I have said many times before try choosing which animals live and which die, then tell me why you have to buy another pet.

bunnymadhouse
11-11-2016, 01:37 PM
I would never buy now I have had almost 12 years dealing with bunnies in rescue ..

But I think pet shops , breeders , garden centres , adds on selling sites are where most come from ..I know because people tell me we they give them up ��

As already said its because it allows for impulse buying and is easier .

Piggiesgalore
11-11-2016, 01:59 PM
Most are bought afterall where do you all think rescue pets come from? and people buy because it's easier and we live in a " I want and I want it NOW " society
And before anyone reads the rest of my post please note we all know how hard it is to resist the little face in the pet shop, or to want a certain breed and get your mind so firmly set on it you can't see beneath the fur.

Backyard breeders and puppy farms are the main concern and the government need to act on this.
Of course all animals deserve a good home and someone who researches first and buys a pet from a registered breeder and keeps the pet for life is not adding to the problem of unwanted pets.
But they are not helping the problem either.
As things stand animal rescues for all types of pet from horses down to guinea pigs and reptiles , are overflowing.
We are all constantly having to turn animals away.
There are simply too many animals for the homes available.
While this is the case then no one should buy a pet whatever reasons they may put forward for doing so.
Animals are dying for lack of homes and when you buy you encourage the industry and leave the rescue pet you could have adopted sat in the pound.
Strong action needs to be taken to reduce the amount of dogs, cats, rabbits ect that are being produced. And every person can affect this by their choices.
Many people just don't realise that hundreds of perfectly friendly and healthy animals are destroyed in this country each year due to lack of a home.
Rescuing is often soul destroying when people who are aware of this problem post about the kitten, puppy, or rabbit they "just had to buy" for one reason or another.
As I have said many times before try choosing which animals live and which die, then tell me why you have to buy another pet.

Couldn't agree more Jill. Like most folks, almost 20 years ago I purchased a pair of guinea pigs for our family. Those were the days before we had access to the internet and we relied on literature found in books and from the pet seller. Needless to say we ended up with accommodation that was too small for our boys, with the wrong bedding and food. Fast forward a few years, our knowledge had improved drastically, the pigs had appropriate accommodation and food and we started to be asked by friends to take in their unwanted piggies as we were deemed to 'know our stuff' - I was a soft touch! A few years further along the line and I was bitten by the internet and piggy/bunny forums, yet more information was gleaned and before I knew it I had offered to foster for my local piggy rescue. Two years further on, having learnt so much about the ways of rescue, the abuse of these animals we hold so dear, I set up my own piggy rescue so I could do my little bit for these wonderful creatures.

In this day and age, with access to the internet on almost every device we own there should be no excuse not to know about rescues. Maybe we need to make purchasing an animal much harder work, people shouldn't be able to take home any living creature based on a spur of the moment decision or nagging by their children. It would be wonderful if a time came when rescues were no longer needed, but sadly in today's climate I fear that is a long way away. What makes me truly sad is when people who frequent forums and pages like RU still think it is acceptable to buy a bunny when they know just how many are sitting in rescue waiting for a loving, forever home.

stargrrlclaire
11-11-2016, 02:17 PM
*goes out to buy popcorn and pick kids up from school* who bets by the time I get to come back online, this thread will be locked?

honeybunny
11-11-2016, 03:39 PM
*goes out to buy popcorn and pick kids up from school* who bets by the time I get to come back online, this thread will be locked?
I think you've stopped the thread Claire as people won't want to post now for fear of a padlock! :lol:

happybun
11-11-2016, 03:42 PM
I'm curious what is the percentage of BOUGHT vs ADOPTED rabbits in the country/area where you live?
And what is your opinion - should a person ever buy a pet?

How would anyone know?
And what business would it be of anyone else, how one's rabbits were/are acquired?

My personal opinion is that people should not keep pets unless as owners, they are specially trained, licensed and inspected. Licenced. Don't know. Someone who can spell will tell me, I'm sure.

Omi
11-11-2016, 04:36 PM
How would anyone know?
And what business would it be of anyone else, how one's rabbits were/are acquired?

My personal opinion is that people should not keep pets unless as owners, they are specially trained, licensed and inspected. Licenced. Don't know. Someone who can spell will tell me, I'm sure.

I think you were correct the first time. License is the verb; licence is what you hold.

Babsie
11-11-2016, 05:36 PM
I think you were correct the first time. License is the verb; licence is what you hold.

:thumb:

I'm still mulling over the thread - but had to put in my twopenneth.;)

Niklovesrats
11-11-2016, 05:52 PM
Ive done both... adopted and bought from both a pet shop and a friend of mine whose rabbit had babies. All of mine are loved and happy and healthy regardless of where I got them from. I think its (as someone else said) much much easier to buy as its more instant than adopting. I work with animals and have to say that rabbits are very very misunderstood and I really wish that people did their homework and gave it much more thought than they do!!!!

bunnybannanas
11-11-2016, 06:11 PM
I bought Petra's parents from a lady who had a litter and didn't want them. My flat mate wanted to buy from pets at home but i refused to as i wanted a bunny that an owner didn't want rather than a store one that's easily sold. Does that make sense?
Petra I've had obviously since she was born but if anything were to happen to her, I'd definitely buy from a person getting rid rather than a store xx

Bramranzel
11-11-2016, 06:27 PM
I've done both but seeing how many unwanted buns are around now I'd always adopt. I did get my current bun from P@H from the rescue adoption section. She was a feisty madam and bit several members of staff. I think she was given up for this reason, I got her spayed free of charge and she's a very different bun now so loving but still head strong. I've always rehomed dogs in the past though.

halfpenny
11-11-2016, 07:08 PM
I don't know the answer, but I do know, if more people adopted, more animals could be saved.
Animals like these-

http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/showthread.php?414004-Stories-of-animals-taken-in-by-rescues-may-be-upsetting!

I should also say, lots of the small animals bought from pet shops and breeders come from situations like post 68 on this link.
Lots of cats and dogs also come from puppy farmers, who are very good at conning people the pet comes from a family home, by having cohorts who take the pups/ kittens in to their homes for viewing.

Mackers
11-11-2016, 07:55 PM
*goes out to buy popcorn and pick kids up from school* who bets by the time I get to come back online, this thread will be locked?

I'm sure it'll get locked eventually Claire :lol:. However, as this forum is 'rescue friendly' rather than 'rescue only', members will clearly be nice to each other, irrespective of where their pets came from ;).

Beau Belle
11-11-2016, 10:01 PM
We've done both.

Our first two were bought, before I knew about this forum.

We've rescued a couple too (separately) - I couldn't bear not to, after I'd seen the conditions they were kept in.

If someone was to ask my suggestion, I'd say to them to rescue a bun the first time round - an older, calmer bun that has been spayed/neutered (but think carefully about the commitment. My neighbour is thinking of getting one for her kids, who love my buns, but I'm trying to put her off the idea).

It they want to get a younger bun later on, that's up to them, but I find a lot of people who say they can't cope have bought a small, cute bun, and then been taken by surprise when the little cutie becomes a teenager and starts to destroy furniture, curtains and rugs. Often they don't want to spend the money on neutering, preferring to give bun up instead as it is "aggressive".

Many also give buns as "gifts" to young children, which is wholly inappropriate.

It makes me sad.

catherine09
11-11-2016, 11:11 PM
I've done both - but would always now rescue

First two bunnies and two piggies were shop bought (before I knew better), all the rest (5 piggies, 5 soon to be 6 bunnies) were rescued one way or another (2 piggies were private re home and two bunnies taken from a family member who wasn't doing a very good job - the rest rescues)

happybun
11-11-2016, 11:16 PM
I think you were correct the first time. License is the verb; licence is what you hold.

Thank-you, Omi! :D

Zarla
12-11-2016, 01:23 AM
First lionhead in 1997 was from a petshop and the other three have all been from breeders. I travelled from London to Lancashire and to Worcester for two of them, but the breeders did put us through the Spanish Inquisition and lots of 'observed handling' and looking at photos of our proposed hutch space. It's quite hard to find young double-maned lionheads at rescues and I do love the baby stage and find the hours of grooming very soothing and relaxing.

CometLucy195
13-11-2016, 08:47 AM
Hi tulsi, can you tell me how you bonded your 4 rabbits? I have a pair and 2 singles ( all neutered) and am building a rabbit shed and run and want to put them all together. I've got them all living next to each other and in runs next to each other in the daytime. Bit nervous about the next step! Any tips? Thanks, Sarah

tulsi
13-11-2016, 09:40 AM
I am no expert. This was my first bond. I will link you to the thread. There are loads and loads of bonding threads on the forum.

http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/showthread.php?402541-Bonding-has-begun-Six-rabbits-Pics-page-2-post-19-update-now-a-quad-More-pics!&highlight=bonding+begun

SarahP
13-11-2016, 11:15 AM
I wonder if we overestimate the numbers of true impulse buys from pet shops. I think it is probably more that people have access to go and see the animals time and time again (obviously not necessarily the same ones, as they are sold), possibly as they are buying other things. I can't help but think the pet shop becomes a bit of a zoo for children in that sense ('can we go and see the animals?' )

With a rescue, the person has to actually search them out and arrange to go and view. This is obviously as it should be, as they ought to by that point have done their research (and the rescue can help them with the rest).

daphnephoebe
13-11-2016, 03:52 PM
SarahP, you're so right. It does become a zoo.

We used to have "regulars" that would come and look at the buns, piggies, birds, hamsters & gerbils. One girl got very upset when I arranged for the Degus to go to another store where they'd have more room and a better chance of getting a home.

I didn't get that many impulse buyers (Maybe one but she was well known to us staff and she was an incredible care giver to her animals.& highly knowledgeable). But we tended to put the impulse buyers off by questioning them and showing the cost of our only hutch & run.

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willow and squiggles
13-11-2016, 09:02 PM
I bought my first 2 from pets at home before joining RU, they sold me wrong sexes and ended up with 6 babies. These 6 would have been in a rescue if i hadnt kept them all so i do understand how some rescues get full. For anyone taking the petshop at their word, they are chancing creating babies. Thats why more petshops need educating. Willow and squiggles got looked at before i even said i would buy them. Obviously they didnt have a clue. I rescued another 2 from someone who was "going to let they go on the field" It feels a lot more rewarding when you rescue and i will always go down the rescue route in the future (when kids move out and i have spare bedrooms lol..)

MrsCoultas
13-11-2016, 09:25 PM
We always had rescue dogs growing up, all from weimaraner rescue. I remember having chinchilla's and I'm guessing they were bought from a pet shop because we were told there were two of the same gender. Lo and behold, two more chinchillas appeared! Sadly, the mum died shortly after having them, then the dad died because he pined for the girl. My parents then surrendered the two babies as they didn't know how to care for two baby chinchillas :( It was so sad.

And all our bunnies have been rescue, Lagertha from Tameside, Ragnar from BARC and Poppy was from a lady who rescued all sorts of animals in Portsmouth, who had taken her in from a family that no longer wanted her :( I just couldn't justify getting a bunny that wasn't from a rescue.

But we will be getting our first non-rescue pet, our tamaskan puppy, just after Christmas. They do very thorough checking and you also have to sign a contract that if you feel unable to look after the dog then it must be returned to them. They have a rescue for tamaskans too.

I would never judge people on buying from a pet shop, it's really not their fault that these animals are so readily available and the whole purpose of these pet shops is to make money. What better way to make money then to play on human emotion! In an ideal world, there would be a ban on selling pets in shops, breeders would need to be checked regularly and have to uphold certain standards, and there should be a cap on how many times they can breed a year. For all pets.

tabithakat64
14-11-2016, 01:11 PM
I would think about 70% of pets around me were bought - small animals from local pet stores, no questions asked.
I've only ever bought/been bought two animals and heavily volunteering at several rescues and vets over time and seen what the animals go through due to uneducated owners then I would always rescue in order to give animals a second chance.
I would never support anyone buying a pet when there are so many in rescue that need homes, I actively avoid commenting on photos of pets that I know are from breeders or pet shops unless they are asking for advice, that's how strongly I feel about the matter.