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LOTS of clear nose discharge !

nickybunny1

Mama Doe
So Rosie has been off her antibiotics for sinnitus for 4 days now which didn't really help. So I started her on 3 drops of echinacea yesterday. She had mild nasal discharge. About an hour after her second dose of echinacea and bisovlon which she has been on for a couple of weeks and her metacam I heard her cleaning herself. She was sitting on the kitchen chair and noticed the chair was wet and her face and paws were wet. There is lots of clear discharge! Her breathing has become quieter. Is it possible the echinacea has enabled the discharge to loosen and become free??
 
An hour later and the discharge is still coming and her wee face and front paws are soaked. Maybe 3 drops of echinacia is too much?? Or is this still a good sign that it's running freely? ?
 
So Rosie has been off her antibiotics for sinnitus for 4 days now which didn't really help. So I started her on 3 drops of echinacea yesterday. She had mild nasal discharge. About an hour after her second dose of echinacea and bisovlon which she has been on for a couple of weeks and her metacam I heard her cleaning herself. She was sitting on the kitchen chair and noticed the chair was wet and her face and paws were wet. There is lots of clear discharge! Her breathing has become quieter. Is it possible the echinacea has enabled the discharge to loosen and become free??

The echinacea will have booster her immune system to help fight off any bacterial infection.

It will be the Bisolvon which has actually loosened the mucous and enabled it to come out. Good thing :thumb:
 
An hour later and the discharge is still coming and her wee face and front paws are soaked. Maybe 3 drops of echinacia is too much?? Or is this still a good sign that it's running freely? ?

3 drops of echinacea is fine, and it's a good sign the mucous is now thinner (due to the Bisolvon) and coming out!
 
But there is loads of it coming out !! Does that sound ok still ?? Would it have taken a couple of weeks for the bisolven to work or is it now working better along with the echinacea I wonder. She is definitely not breathing as loud . I get a good feeling about the echinacea . Earlier when she was cleaning it away I was kneeled down beside her and she flicked it over my face ! Nice.
 
But there is loads of it coming out !! Does that sound ok still ?? Would it have taken a couple of weeks for the bisolven to work or is it now working better along with the echinacea I wonder. She is definitely not breathing as loud . I get a good feeling about the echinacea . Earlier when she was cleaning it away I was kneeled down beside her and she flicked it over my face ! Nice.

Oh dear - sorry you got it all over your face :shock:

The echinacea is certainly good stuff and could have helped get rid of the mucous, which would have been thinned by the Bisolvon. It wouldn't have taken that long for the Bisolvon to work on it's own, you're right.

I must say I have noticed noses with white discharge clear up overnight on echinacea ..
 
Ok so Rosies had nose discharge this evening and she hadn't been given any echinacia or bisolvon yet. She was also a bit quieter and didn't want in the garden this evening. She was eatting fine tho. Her breathing is quieter too those she is still a bit wheezy. I have noticed that the discharge had wet her face and chest but was nowhere near as bad as before. Thing is it smells. Would nose discharge smell?? As her fur is brown it's hard to tell but i still think it is clear. I only gave her bisolvon this evening as I was afraid to give her more echinacia. Or should I continue with giving it to her. Vet wants to see Rosie in about 10 days time to review treatment. She is still on metacam also.
 
Rosie is also doing a lot of licking and pulling at her dewlap - not that she has much of one but she is licking the fur and then pulling on it in an upward direction. I don't think any fur is being pulled out though. She is also doing a lot of chewing when there is nothing in her mouth and some teeth grinding it's as if there is too much salivia or something. If X-rays showed her teeth ok what else could it be??
 
I think the Vet needs to see her again sooner Nicky. It sounds as though there may be something more going on now which has not yet been identified.

If you look UNDER her dewlap it may be very wet and sore, hence her 'pulling' behaviour. It could even be that she has developed a moist dermatitis-'green fur syndrome'. This would also account for the smell.

http://www.medirabbit.com/EN/Skin_diseases/Bacterial/Moist/Moist.htm

Alternatively the smell may be coming from in her mouth or in her nasal passages. Sinusitis can certainly cause an offensive smelling discharge.

Plain Xray films are unlikely to show up soft tissue issues such nasal polyps/cysts I mentioned before.

Given that Rosie's demeanour has now changed I would try to get your trusted Vet to see her ASAP, or at least speak with her on the phone. I know that you have to make a long journey to get to see her and of course that fact needs to be considered when deciding what is best to do for Rosie. You are doing everything possible to try to help her.

How is she doing this morning ?
 
Rosie is also doing a lot of licking and pulling at her dewlap - not that she has much of one but she is licking the fur and then pulling on it in an upward direction. I don't think any fur is being pulled out though. She is also doing a lot of chewing when there is nothing in her mouth and some teeth grinding it's as if there is too much salivia or something. If X-rays showed her teeth ok what else could it be??

Are you sure the wetness is coming from her nose and not her mouth? She may be dribbling and then trying to clean up her dewlap. You could perhaps ring the vet and ask what she thought about her teeth being the problem, and also discuss if it's clear discharge from her nose what you should do ... Good luck. I'm so sorry you're going through all this x
 
Jane yes u mentioned the polyps thing and I did ring around several vets to check if they had a small enough endoscope incise we had to go down that route. Most didn't though one top referral vet said they had one for cats which they said might be small enough though I got the impression they hadn't used it on rabbits tho not sure. Yes I agree there is something more going on. I read the link and that is a possibility. She was pulling the fur out of her dewlap this morning and has a little bald patch :( she is still eating drinking and pooping ok. I will have to take her down to the vet on Tuesday as this can't go on. I am starting to get worried now as before if thought it was just the snuffles thing - hopefully it still is..

Mighty Max it's had to say but u could be right and it might be saliva. I really can't tell for sure though. I will watch more closely to see.

Thanks again both of u for ur replies this morning. Means a lot x
 
Think I am going to take Rosie to the vets in the morning. She has been constant teeth grinding and chewing and I don't think it's fair to make her wait til Tuesday . I was able to give her some vetergesic earlier today and that helped her so I don't think the metacam is enough pain relief wise for whatever is causing her pain. If it was an infection say in sinus would that be painful ?? The other male vet there iis very good and it was him I first took Rosie to when she had her blockage and tooth root absess. He then passed me on to my current vet in the practice. I am still nervous about going to someone different again tho. He is an RCVS Advanced Small Animal Practitioner - would that qualification have in depth coverage of rabbits too ??
 
Think I am going to take Rosie to the vets in the morning. She has been constant teeth grinding and chewing and I don't think it's fair to make her wait til Tuesday . I was able to give her some vetergesic earlier today and that helped her so I don't think the metacam is enough pain relief wise for whatever is causing her pain. If it was an infection say in sinus would that be painful ?? The other male vet there iis very good and it was him I first took Rosie to when she had her blockage and tooth root absess. He then passed me on to my current vet in the practice. I am still nervous about going to someone different again tho. He is an RCVS Advanced Small Animal Practitioner - would that qualification have in depth coverage of rabbits too ??

I assume that the Vet took skull radiographs as well as chest radiographs ? You said that the Vet claimed that Rosie's teeth were 'OK'. But was that just from a look in her mouth whilst she was under GA rather than radiographs to assess the tooth roots and look for any signs of abscesses ? If not then the fact that Rosie has a history of tooth root abscesses could mean that this is what is actually going on now. That a tooth root abscess is effecting her mouth and her nasal passages. The fluid could have been caused if an abscess burst. The smell being the release of all the bacteria. Of course I am only surmising. I think you would be wise to get Rosie back to the Vet today. I would ask specifically about the possibility of a recurrence of a tooth root abscess.

In the absence of access to a Specialist I feel that the Vet available to you today is going to be better than no Vet at all in order to get Rosie's pain under control. If the Vet today is unsure of how to proceed from here then perhaps he could consult with an Exotics Specialist for advice. Are you in Eire or NI ? Either way the Vet could perhaps call The Rabbit Clinic in Edinburgh to see if they can offer any advice :

http://www.ed.ac.uk/schools-departm...ic-animal-and-wildlife/rabbit-clinic/overview

With regards to your question about does Sinusitis cause pain, yes it certainly does. I have a chronic sinus condition so I can speak with first hand experience on that one.

Poor Rosie, she is having a lot to cope with at the moment. But you really are doing all you can to try to help her, it is obvious how much she means to you. I really hope that the Vet you see today can offer some suggestions as to where to go from here xx
 
Think I am going to take Rosie to the vets in the morning. She has been constant teeth grinding and chewing and I don't think it's fair to make her wait til Tuesday . I was able to give her some vetergesic earlier today and that helped her so I don't think the metacam is enough pain relief wise for whatever is causing her pain. If it was an infection say in sinus would that be painful ?? The other male vet there iis very good and it was him I first took Rosie to when she had her blockage and tooth root absess. He then passed me on to my current vet in the practice. I am still nervous about going to someone different again tho. He is an RCVS Advanced Small Animal Practitioner - would that qualification have in depth coverage of rabbits too ??

I hope you get on well with the Vet today Nicky, if you decide to go. It's best to exclude the possibility of her having dental pain on top of anything else and I hope she doesn't have to undergo anaesthetic so she can come straight back home with you. My vet in Twickenham (and indeed a specialist I saw recently) said that head X-rays are often a waste of time as they don't show anything useful, but each vet is different.

Sending vibes for her and you to have a smooth day .... (((( hugs ))))
 
Thanks for the vibes everyone. Rosie is in recovery and we collect her ar 2 pm. Will see if the vet has seen anything else that could have contributed to the breathing issue. The spur apparently was at the very back and before we left he said this could cause pooling of saliva .
 
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