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Mystery facial hair loss

benjy

New Kit
Hi,

About 3 week ago my bunny had a small triangle of hair missing from his face. I thought he had somehow nicked himself. I took him to the vets who said it didn't look like a wound and gave me anti-fungal cream to apply twice daily. A week later there was no improvement so I took him back. The vet said he couldn't be sure but thought perhaps it was ringworm, albeit he said that might be unusual in a 5-year-old rabbit (apparently more common in younger animals). So he took a sample to send off to the lab and a shampoo to treat for ringworm.

The shampoo wasn't that easy to administer -- in that to get rid of it all poor old bun got a really wet face. I dried it the best I could. But when by the end of a fortnight his face was looking definitely a lot worse and quite pink, I decided to stop, worrying that the damp could do worse damage and took him straight back to the vet.

This time I got the other partner. She said the lab tests had just come back and were negative for ringworm. She said she couldn't see what it was but asked if it was possible something toxic had dripped on him. I said really no that wasn't at all possible where he is housed and she asked whether his mate could have been attacking him. I said obviously who knows what they get up to when you're not there, but to be honest I've never seen a more happy pair of bunnies, so it struck me as being unlikely.

Just in case I separated them but they were miserable and in the end I put them back into together. The vet suggested I go back to the original fungal cream and give it 4-6 weeks.

Well I got back from work today and his face looked worse still with a second patch of hair gone. I am now really worried. I am not sure whether there is much point going back to my current vets as I think they just don't know. Will try to ring a different one tomorrow.... But just in case this rings any bells with an experienced bunny owner thought I'd ask a wider audience.

Please help -- I am so worried for the poor little thing. By the way he's eating and pooing just fine and shown no sign of scratching in front of me and I have spent a lot of time with him this month.

Thank you.
 
As your bunny has a mate and they are tightly bonded, could the other bun be overgrooming? My Ginny really loves Widget and last year she groomed his eyebrows off and left pink bare patches where his eyebrow whiskers should have been. So far this year she has not done it, but she does hold him down (he doesn't care) and wash him all over. She's 8 and he's about 3 years old.
 
Hi,

About 3 week ago my bunny had a small triangle of hair missing from his face. I thought he had somehow nicked himself. I took him to the vets who said it didn't look like a wound and gave me anti-fungal cream to apply twice daily. A week later there was no improvement so I took him back. The vet said he couldn't be sure but thought perhaps it was ringworm, albeit he said that might be unusual in a 5-year-old rabbit (apparently more common in younger animals). So he took a sample to send off to the lab and a shampoo to treat for ringworm.

The shampoo wasn't that easy to administer -- in that to get rid of it all poor old bun got a really wet face. I dried it the best I could. But when by the end of a fortnight his face was looking definitely a lot worse and quite pink, I decided to stop, worrying that the damp could do worse damage and took him straight back to the vet.

This time I got the other partner. She said the lab tests had just come back and were negative for ringworm. She said she couldn't see what it was but asked if it was possible something toxic had dripped on him. I said really no that wasn't at all possible where he is housed and she asked whether his mate could have been attacking him. I said obviously who knows what they get up to when you're not there, but to be honest I've never seen a more happy pair of bunnies, so it struck me as being unlikely.

Just in case I separated them but they were miserable and in the end I put them back into together. The vet suggested I go back to the original fungal cream and give it 4-6 weeks.

Well I got back from work today and his face looked worse still with a second patch of hair gone. I am now really worried. I am not sure whether there is much point going back to my current vets as I think they just don't know. Will try to ring a different one tomorrow.... But just in case this rings any bells with an experienced bunny owner thought I'd ask a wider audience.

Please help -- I am so worried for the poor little thing. By the way he's eating and pooing just fine and shown no sign of scratching in front of me and I have spent a lot of time with him this month.

Thank you.


Welcome to the Forum :wave:

Sorry to hear about your bunny.

Do you happen to know whether the vet has excluded Sarcoptic Mange?

http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_sarcoptic_mange.html

http://www.medirabbit.com/EN/Skin_diseases/Parasitic/Mange/Sarcoptes.htm
 
Welcome to the Forum :wave:

Sorry to hear about your bunny.

Do you happen to know whether the vet has excluded Sarcoptic Mange?

http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_sarcoptic_mange.html

http://www.medirabbit.com/EN/Skin_diseases/Parasitic/Mange/Sarcoptes.htm

Thank you for your replies. I had wondered about mange, but thought I would see him trying to scratch as it's meant to be itchy. But I think it would be worth them testing for it. I hadn't heard about over grooming... that's an interesting idea. I haven't witnessed it but they are besotted with one another. I guess will have to try again to observe them when they don't think I am. :)
 
Any chance of a photo?

What's the area look like - is it just a red sore patch or is it scabby?

If your vets not sure what's going on then the next stage might be to ask for a referal to a specialist. The Rabbit Welfare Association can probably help you find a local one: http://rabbitwelfare.co.uk/ they have a rabbit savvy vet list.
 
Any chance of a photo?

What's the area look like - is it just a red sore patch or is it scabby?

If your vets not sure what's going on then the next stage might be to ask for a referal to a specialist. The Rabbit Welfare Association can probably help you find a local one: http://rabbitwelfare.co.uk/ they have a rabbit savvy vet list.

I have got my daughter to take a pic but can't work out how to attach it. Don't really want to post it to Facebook to obtain a URL.. can someone please talk me through this process.. am probably being dense. ;)
 
Any chance of a photo?

What's the area look like - is it just a red sore patch or is it scabby?

If your vets not sure what's going on then the next stage might be to ask for a referal to a specialist. The Rabbit Welfare Association can probably help you find a local one: http://rabbitwelfare.co.uk/ they have a rabbit savvy vet list.

I have got my daughter to take a pic but can't work out how to attach it. Don't really want to post it to Facebook to obtain a URL.. can someone please talk me through this process.. am probably being dense. ;)
 

Ouch, that does look sore. It looks to be more bacterial than fungal to me

This photo shows a case of bacterial dermatitis



More information here:

http://wildpro.twycrosszoo.org/S/00dis/Bacterial/Bacterial_dermatitis_lagomorphs.htm

and here:

http://www.vetnext.com/search.php?s=onderwerp&id=73361460292 286

His companion may exacerbate the problem if she grooms the area. Do you ever notice her doing so ?

One other condition springs to mind but your Rabbit's symptoms are not typical of it- Treponematosis. Atypical Treponematosis maybe ??

http://www.medirabbit.com/EN/Skin_diseases/Bacterial/Syphilis.htm

As I said, unlikely but thought I'd mention it anyway.

Details of differential diagnosis for skin diseases here:

http://www.medirabbit.com/EN/Skin_diseases/differential_diagnosis.htm
 
It looks like a chunk of fur has actually been pulled out, from your photo, rather than any skin infection me to. Could it be Benjy's partner overgrooming that area maybe?

Thank you everyone. I went to the new vets, as recommended by a friend, and he was really good. He spent ages investigating it In the end it emerged that it was an unusual presentation of mites, but with none of the classic dandruff. The vet checked every bit of him and found a hidden sore on his back and then while checking the rest of him saw some movement. He sellotaped the mite and we looked at it under the microscope. I am so grateful to the vet. He spent ages with the two bunnies and his veterinary nurse was so, so lovely. The practice has just opened so if anyone is in the Liphook area, Hants, I would really recommend them. The surgery was beautiful with separate waiting rooms for dogs and small animals.. how thoughtful! It's http://www.smallworldvets.co.uk/
 
Thank you everyone. I went to the new vets, as recommended by a friend, and he was really good. He spent ages investigating it In the end it emerged that it was an unusual presentation of mites, but with none of the classic dandruff. The vet checked every bit of him and found a hidden sore on his back and then while checking the rest of him saw some movement. He sellotaped the mite and we looked at it under the microscope. I am so grateful to the vet. He spent ages with the two bunnies and his veterinary nurse was so, so lovely. The practice has just opened so if anyone is in the Liphook area, Hants, I would really recommend them. The surgery was beautiful with separate waiting rooms for dogs and small animals.. how thoughtful! It's http://www.smallworldvets.co.uk/

I am so glad that you have now found a good Vet and that a definitive diagnosis has been established. I hope that your Bun will respond well to treatment xx
 
I am so glad that you have now found a good Vet and that a definitive diagnosis has been established. I hope that your Bun will respond well to treatment xx

Thank you and thank you to everyone who responded to my post. :)

By the way obviously don't want them to get fur mites again -- has anyone used any effective preventative treatments before? Bob Martin My Little Friend Spot On for example -- are there any downsides with these sort of things?
 
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Thank you everyone. I went to the new vets, as recommended by a friend, and he was really good. He spent ages investigating it In the end it emerged that it was an unusual presentation of mites, but with none of the classic dandruff. The vet checked every bit of him and found a hidden sore on his back and then while checking the rest of him saw some movement. He sellotaped the mite and we looked at it under the microscope. I am so grateful to the vet. He spent ages with the two bunnies and his veterinary nurse was so, so lovely. The practice has just opened so if anyone is in the Liphook area, Hants, I would really recommend them. The surgery was beautiful with separate waiting rooms for dogs and small animals.. how thoughtful! It's http://www.smallworldvets.co.uk/

Well now you have a very good new vet who seems very switched on with diagnostics!

I'm so glad you are getting it sorted :thumb:
 
Thank you and thank you to everyone who responded to my post. :)

By the way obviously don't want them to get fur mites again -- has anyone used any effective preventative treatments before? Bob Martin My Little Friend Spot On for example -- are there any downsides with these sort of things?

I would not use a preventative for mites. All applications contain nasty chemicals which I would not want to put on Rabbit unless absolutely essential. Mites in Rabbits can occur when their immune system is under stress for some reason. Dental Rabbits and Rabbits with mobility problems may not be very efficient at grooming themselves and this can lead to mites. In such cases grooming the Rabbit daily can help. If the Rabbit has developed mites as a result of a compromised immune system identifying and treating the reason(s) why the immune system is struggling is obviously essential.

There is some info' about Rabbits and mites here:

http://www.medirabbit.com/EN/Skin_diseases/Parasitic/furmite/fur_mite.htm

http://www.medirabbit.com/EN/Skin_diseases/Parasitic/Uncommon/Other_mite.htm

http://www.medirabbit.com/EN/Skin_diseases/Parasitic/Mange/Sarcoptes.htm
 
Thank you and thank you to everyone who responded to my post. :)

By the way obviously don't want them to get fur mites again -- has anyone used any effective preventative treatments before? Bob Martin My Little Friend Spot On for example -- are there any downsides with these sort of things?

Rabbits don't tend to get mites that often. There is a theory that mites live on the rabbit and only when the rabbit is stressed/lowered immune do the mites proliferate. Another theory is that they don't live on the rabbit!

I haven't ever used preventative mite treatment, nor would I. I prefer to keep chemicals on a bunny to a minimum unless they are strictly necessary. Don't forget - or tell you vet if they haven't - that *both* rabbits will need to be treated, as they can easily pass from one to another. Also, the spot on or injection has to be repeated every two weeks, for three doses in all (some vets only do two)
 
Ok thanks.. I will take your advice and steer clear of the preventative medicine. I asked the vet where they might have got the mites from and he suggested given our very rural location, with the garden backing onto woods that rats or mice were the most likely culprits. Re: the stress idea... a couple of theories spring to mind ... we have been through a build this winter/spring so their hutch has been moved and the environment has been much noisier than normal. Also new neighbours have brought dogs and cats both of whom have roamed into our garden quite a bit... an intrusion to which they are not that familiar. But interestingly the neighbour said their cat had been scratching madly the past two days.. perhaps a coincidence...
 
Ok thanks.. I will take your advice and steer clear of the preventative medicine. I asked the vet where they might have got the mites from and he suggested given our very rural location, with the garden backing onto woods that rats or mice were the most likely culprits. Re: the stress idea... a couple of theories spring to mind ... we have been through a build this winter/spring so their hutch has been moved and the environment has been much noisier than normal. Also new neighbours have brought dogs and cats both of whom have roamed into our garden quite a bit... an intrusion to which they are not that familiar. But interestingly the neighbour said their cat had been scratching madly the past two days.. perhaps a coincidence...

I should think the cats and dogs may have caused a bit of stress, if they aren't their usual companions. It helps to try and get into the 'mindset' of rabbit and understand how much being a prey species influences their every moment.

Regarding your neighbour's cat, mites are usually animal specific, but all three have the potential to cross over to other host species.

https://njaes.rutgers.edu/pubs/fs1183/
 
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