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cpayne
12-05-2015, 02:03 PM
Elena told me about it, it's to do with RAW, so on Sunday I'm over at the specialists vet for chats with bunny owners and the nurses then an hour later he's speaking and answering any questions.

I'm excited and also may meet up with a fellow RUer. Thinking of questions I wish to ask him. Anyone want to know anything?! May ask how rabbits know how to beg, is it instinct because they look so cute.

Scruffy
12-05-2015, 02:12 PM
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Fellie
12-05-2015, 02:19 PM
Elena told me about it, it's to do with RAW, so on Sunday I'm over at the specialists vet for chats with bunny owners and the nurses then an hour later he's speaking and answering any questions.

I'm excited and also may meet up with a fellow RUer. Thinking of questions I wish to ask him. Anyone want to know anything?! May ask how rabbits know how to beg, is it instinct because they look so cute.

Is this at Trinity's?

Jack's-Jane
12-05-2015, 02:22 PM
I am sure Mark's talk will be really interesting. Can I be cheeky and suggest asking him about his thoughts on giving SQ fluids even in cases of 'mild' GI tract slow down ?

Also, what are his thoughts on the choice of prokinetic ? Metoclopromide and Ranitidine or just Cisipride ?

One more Why do some Vets seem to give a one off shot of Baytril 'just in case' when treating a Rabbit with gut stasis who is showing no clinical signs of having a bacterial infection ? Does the risk of abx resistance not out weigh any potential benefits ?

Eep , I have loads more questions I'd love to ask him regarding Gut Stasis but I'd better shut up now !!

Hope you will have time to update us about the talk xx

cpayne
12-05-2015, 02:22 PM
Yes are you coming, we can meet up too. It starts at 1 where you chat to the nurses and probably Mark then he is talking on gut statis and taking questions. Think it will be interesting.

Fellie
12-05-2015, 02:41 PM
Yes are you coming, we can meet up too. It starts at 1 where you chat to the nurses and probably Mark then he is talking on gut statis and taking questions. Think it will be interesting.

Oooo yes - I will be there - hopefully! It sounds great :D

Fellie
12-05-2015, 02:48 PM
I am sure Mark's talk will be really interesting. Can I be cheeky and suggest asking him about his thoughts on giving SQ fluids even in cases of 'mild' GI tract slow down ?

Also, what are his thoughts on the choice of prokinetic ? Metoclopromide and Ranitidine or just Cisipride ?

One more Why do some Vets seem to give a one off shot of Baytril 'just in case' when treating a Rabbit with gut stasis who is showing no clinical signs of having a bacterial infection ? Does the risk of abx resistance not out weigh any potential benefits ?

Eep , I have loads more questions I'd love to ask him regarding Gut Stasis but I'd better shut up now !!

Hope you will have time to update us about the talk xx

These are really good questions - and in the case of the SQ fluids in cases of mild GI tract - I know they do do it, as I have two buns have it now and they were not badly in stasis - if at all - just showing signs/have a paranoid mummy - and it definitely perked them up no end. Would be interesting though to get Marks thoughts about it.

I'm sure that between CPayne and I - and any other RU'ers going - we can ask any questions you have - the answers will benefit all of us on RU and those people attending.

Very excited about this now - I hate Stasis with a passion - it's just awful for the buns and I feel so helpless when they have it - having more knowledge will be such a big help.

cpayne
12-05-2015, 02:54 PM
I am sure Mark's talk will be really interesting. Can I be cheeky and suggest asking him about his thoughts on giving SQ fluids even in cases of 'mild' GI tract slow down ?

Also, what are his thoughts on the choice of prokinetic ? Metoclopromide and Ranitidine or just Cisipride ?

One more Why do some Vets seem to give a one off shot of Baytril 'just in case' when treating a Rabbit with gut stasis who is showing no clinical signs of having a bacterial infection ? Does the risk of abx resistance not out weigh any potential benefits ?

Eep , I have loads more questions I'd love to ask him regarding Gut Stasis but I'd better shut up now !!

Hope you will have time to update us about the talk xx

OK I'll type these questions up and ask him. He's never given Doughnut Baytril when she's had gut trouble so he may say he doesn't lol! He's really good at answering questions, I've always had lots to ask him and he's happy to answer them. Think the talk will go on for ages as since he's so knowledgeable it's great to get all the answers. I'm going to ask him about Doughnut's zantac dosage. I've put her down to 0.3 metaclop and she's good on that but haven't reduced the zantac but will see if he thinks it's worth it.

I will certainly update and take a pen and paper. Maybe I'll get Elena and Fellie to ask some questions too :). Let me know any others. I may ask at what point does he recommend bringing the rabbit in for treatment. Is it after 6 hours of not eating/drinking or longer or as soon as you notice!

cpayne
12-05-2015, 02:57 PM
These are really good questions - and in the case of the SQ fluids in cases of mild GI tract - I know they do do it, as I have two buns have it now and they were not badly in stasis - if at all - just showing signs/have a paranoid mummy - and it definitely perked them up no end. Would be interesting though to get Marks thoughts about it.

I'm sure that between CPayne and I - and any other RU'ers going - we can ask any questions you have - the answers will benefit all of us on RU and those people attending.

Very excited about this now - I hate Stasis with a passion - it's just awful for the buns and I feel so helpless when they have it - having more knowledge will be such a big help.

We'll have to let each other know what we're wearing so we recognise each other! Although we'll be the one dominating the talk with questions

Fellie
12-05-2015, 03:04 PM
Poor Mark - he doesn't know what he's let himself in for:lol:

Just spoken with the Hubby - he's really keen for it as well so will definitely be there.

You can't miss me - I wear plastic white framed specs - and will be carrying a small red handbag :D

cpayne
12-05-2015, 03:04 PM
Just thought of another one. I know a lot of people on here use pineapple juice to help with "hairballs". I was told by a specialist not to give pineapple juice due to it's sugar content and it doesn't work. Anyone else got any questions where people are divided on?

MightyMax
12-05-2015, 03:06 PM
This sounds absolutely brilliant :thumb:

I hope you get the time afterwards to give us all a little update. Mark is an amazing vet, and my own vet often consults with him!

cpayne
12-05-2015, 03:11 PM
This is what I look like, not the best photo but you get the idea.


http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj579/Doughnutpic/Me20_zpspc4ut8rn.jpg

cpayne
12-05-2015, 03:12 PM
This sounds absolutely brilliant :thumb:

I hope you get the time afterwards to give us all a little update. Mark is an amazing vet, and my own vet often consults with him!

I think lots of vets call him, I'm surprised how he's got time to fit everyone in!

MightyMax
12-05-2015, 03:13 PM
I think lots of vets call him, I'm surprised how he's got time to fit everyone in!

He's very generous with his time, isn't he?

Jack's-Jane
12-05-2015, 03:15 PM
I think lots of vets call him, I'm surprised how he's got time to fit everyone in!

His input on here was invaluable but obviously he's far too busy to have kept that up any longer. I think he takes a peek from time to time though ;)

cpayne
12-05-2015, 03:25 PM
His input on here was invaluable but obviously he's far too busy to have kept that up any longer. I think he takes a peek from time to time though ;)

Yes there was talk about webinars which I think everyone would be keen on. I may ask him if he can give talks on various subjects every so often even if it isn't rabbit awareness week, what do you think? I may be helped outside and the door firmly locked.

MightyMax
12-05-2015, 03:27 PM
Yes there was talk about webinars which I think everyone would be keen on. I may ask him if he can give talks on various subjects every so often even if it isn't rabbit awareness week, what do you think? I may be helped outside and the door firmly locked.

Wow, that would be amazing :wave:

Jack's-Jane
12-05-2015, 03:35 PM
Yes there was talk about webinars which I think everyone would be keen on. I may ask him if he can give talks on various subjects every so often even if it isn't rabbit awareness week, what do you think? I may be helped outside and the door firmly locked.

I think it'd be a great idea. But he may just not have the time to do it. If he did do it I think there should be a fee payable- ie he could not be expected to do it for nowt !

Poor chap, now he's got a load of mad Rabbit woman trying to bulldozer him into something :lol:

Elena
12-05-2015, 03:38 PM
I'm hoping to go but depends on how well I am on Sunday. :)

cpayne
12-05-2015, 03:42 PM
I think it'd be a great idea. But he may just not have the time to do it. If he did do it I think there should be a fee payable- ie he could not be expected to do it for nowt !

Poor chap, now he's got a load of mad Rabbit woman trying to bulldozer him into something :lol:

Haha, I better not say too much, Doughnut might not be as welcome as she normally is.

MightyMax
12-05-2015, 04:10 PM
I think lots of vets call him, I'm surprised how he's got time to fit everyone in!

There is a question, if you get the chance - what is his view on gripe water and Infacol/simethicone? Vets have differing opinions on whether it's useful. I haven't met one who thinks it's harmful ... yet!

I don't think anyone's yet mentioned this on your thread here - apologies if so :)

cpayne
12-05-2015, 04:20 PM
No they haven't as it's on my personal list though. Doughnut is now on metaclop, zantac and infracol. When I rushed Doughnut in one time Mark wasn't there so I saw Allie who is also very good. I told her what medication I was giving Doughnut at that point and she said there had been a study on babies that infracol didn't actually work. So she's not convinced. I've always found it has as Doughnut used to make an awful sound when she ducked down which was gas and since I put her on it she doesn't.

Once Mark was in Doughnut went back to his care and he discharged her and I mentioned it but he said if it works for Doughnut to keep going with it. He said it's not harmful as I initially thought it's sweet and was it bad for her teeth/gut but it's not sugar and it dispenses in the body so you can give a lot of it.

MightyMax
12-05-2015, 04:24 PM
No they haven't as it's on my personal list though. Doughnut is now on metaclop, zantac and infracol. When I rushed Doughnut in one time Mark wasn't there so I saw Allie who is also very good. I told her what medication I was giving Doughnut at that point and she said there had been a study on babies that infracol didn't actually work. So she's not convinced. I've always found it has as Doughnut used to make an awful sound when she ducked down which was gas and since I put her on it she doesn't.

Once Mark was in Doughnut went back to his care and he discharged her and I mentioned it but he said if it works for Doughnut to keep going with it. He said it's not harmful as I initially thought it's sweet and was it bad for her teeth/gut but it's not sugar and it dispenses in the body so you can give a lot of it.

Yes you've confirmed my experience of talking with vets about it. Basically more say that it isn't particularly helpful, but doesn't do any harm. I have had enormous success with it for what must be hundreds of stasis cases - lots resolved before they even get to the vet's appointment.

cpayne
12-05-2015, 04:30 PM
Marks view seems to be if it works for you then keep using it. I will ask him though and be interesting to see how much success the other owners in the room have had with it. I think when I took her up the hospital as Trinity was closed they said at least you are getting fluids into her anyway even if it didn't work. They were much of the mind we'll get her through the night then back to mark as he knows better than anyone as he advises them too! When I went to my local vets there was a locum there, it was just for her injections and he had trained under Mark and said he wouldn't trust any other vet with his animals. It seems wherever I go it all leads back to him

HappyHop
12-05-2015, 06:48 PM
Have you got a link to this talk at all or is it by personal invitation only ?
Thanks
Nikki

ImoT
12-05-2015, 07:18 PM
Ooo this sounds very interesting! Unfortunately i'm in the wrong part of the country so can't attend but would love to hear the feedback! The infacol questions sound interesting. I'm not hugely convinced it works for babies, for some it seems to but for others it doesn't, but it would be good to know if it's recommended for rabbits with potential stasis and if there are any stats on it's reliability. I might get some to keep in my bunny first aid drawer just incase Winston decides to have another bout of stasis!

I would be really interested to know what the causes of unexplained stasis might be. Winston's bout was unexplained and I think the control freak in me isn't very happy about that :( I would love to know what caused it so I can reduce the risk of it happening again!

cpayne
13-05-2015, 09:10 AM
Have you got a link to this talk at all or is it by personal invitation only ?
Thanks
Nikki

It's on Trinity's facebook page. Mark is talking at his clinic so not sure how much room there is but I'm thinking a lot more may come than they expected :) I think everyone is welcome, don't think it's just customers.

cpayne
14-05-2015, 01:48 PM
Ooo this sounds very interesting! Unfortunately i'm in the wrong part of the country so can't attend but would love to hear the feedback! The infacol questions sound interesting. I'm not hugely convinced it works for babies, for some it seems to but for others it doesn't, but it would be good to know if it's recommended for rabbits with potential stasis and if there are any stats on it's reliability. I might get some to keep in my bunny first aid drawer just incase Winston decides to have another bout of stasis!

I would be really interested to know what the causes of unexplained stasis might be. Winston's bout was unexplained and I think the control freak in me isn't very happy about that :( I would love to know what caused it so I can reduce the risk of it happening again!

Yes let's see if he knows what unexplained could be. Probably quite a long list :)

cpayne
17-05-2015, 11:22 AM
These are really good questions - and in the case of the SQ fluids in cases of mild GI tract - I know they do do it, as I have wtwo buns have it now and they were not badly in stasis - if at all - just showing signs/have a paranoid mummy - and it definitely perked them up no end. Would be interesting though to get Marks thoughts about it.

I'm sure that between CPayne and I - and any other RU'ers going - we can ask any questions you have - the answers will benefit all of us on RU and those people attending.

Very excited about this now - I hate Stasis with a passion - it's just awful for the buns and I feel so helpless when they have it - having more knowledge will be such a big help.
Yes they do use I V, I was told it's to get as much fluid in as quick as possible. I think they also syringe fluid. I know when I was syringing doughnut when she was really ill it was just dripping out she wasn't swallowing. They may have had more luck but I know they've always said after iv she's perked up

Elena
17-05-2015, 12:44 PM
I'm not going to make it today. :( have come down with a bug :cry:

cpayne
17-05-2015, 04:27 PM
It's a shame you didn't go. Hope you get better soon. Here's the link if anyone is interested:

http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/showthread.php?443168-Specialist-talk-on-gut-statis-and-bunny-issues&p=6599664#post6599664