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Young vets again...

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Kavanne

Mama Doe
Showed one of the young vets filing a bun's teeth whilst awake... Is this a normal thing to do?? I thought buns went under for dentals as a matter of course but I don't Have much experience
 
As only about 70-80% of the oral cavity of a Rabbit can be viewed when the Rabbit is awake any 'filing' done without a GA is only going to be 'fire fighting' and not addressing the full problem. It can potentially exacerbate the rate of progression of Dental problems too. IMO it is also far too stressful for the Rabbit, causing a release of cortisol which can cause a multitude of systemic problems.
 
Was it back teeth?

My Herbie gets his front peg teeth burred (his incisors have been taken out twice and the peg teeth still came back) when he is awake.
 
I used to be firmly in the 'anti' camp when it came to conscious dentals, but since moving vets to a very bunny savvy vet, I can honestly say I think it can be done in the right circumstances. My Toby needs dentals fairly regularly (sometimes once a month), and he has them done consciously so that he doesn't have to go through an anaesthetic so frequently. The surgery where we go is very quiet and calm, and the vet does the rasping gently and slowly.

There may come a time when Toby needs a GA as he could get spurs further back, where a conscious dental just won't cut it, but until that time it is so much less of an ordeal for him than spending the whole day at the vet's, I am happy to continue this way.
 
Jane, the rabbit did look extremely stressed :( they didn't do a whole segment on that but it was distressing to see
 
Hi All,

Just seen this so thought I'd join and explain...

This rabbit consult/dental burring was filmed in full, but in the end just a few seconds of it was used (the filming focus of this placement was the very cute cockapoo...) The rabbit was having problems with the front teeth frequently becoming overgrown. His back teeth had been checked at previous dentals, which had been done under GA. It was decided with the vet and the owner, that they would sometimes carry out the burring conscious and sometimes do a GA/check the rest of the teeth/treat if needed. With the frequency that the front teeth were needing doing, it was better than frequent GAs.

The whole thing only took a few minutes - the rabbit wasn't behaving stressed, he was held firmly by the vet to prevent him jumping/ending up hurt, but he was absolutely fine. Much preferable to the stress and risks of a GA. The owners were, and have been in the past, given husbandry advice on diet/things to gnaw on etc to try and help with the teeth.

Hope this makes it a bit clearer!
 
YoungVet said:
Hi All,

Just seen this so thought I'd join and explain...

This rabbit consult/dental burring was filmed in full, but in the end just a few seconds of it was used (the filming focus of this placement was the very cute cockapoo...) The rabbit was having problems with the front teeth frequently becoming overgrown. His back teeth had been checked at previous dentals, which had been done under GA. It was decided with the vet and the owner, that they would sometimes carry out the burring conscious and sometimes do a GA/check the rest of the teeth/treat if needed. With the frequency that the front teeth were needing doing, it was better than frequent GAs.

The whole thing only took a few minutes - the rabbit wasn't behaving stressed, he was held firmly by the vet to prevent him jumping/ending up hurt, but he was absolutely fine. Much preferable to the stress and risks of a GA. The owners were, and have been in the past, given husbandry advice on diet/things to gnaw on etc to try and help with the teeth.

Hope this makes it a bit clearer!
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Was incisor extraction not an option ?
 
YoungVet said:
Hi All,

Just seen this so thought I'd join and explain...

This rabbit consult/dental burring was filmed in full, but in the end just a few seconds of it was used (the filming focus of this placement was the very cute cockapoo...) The rabbit was having problems with the front teeth frequently becoming overgrown. His back teeth had been checked at previous dentals, which had been done under GA. It was decided with the vet and the owner, that they would sometimes carry out the burring conscious and sometimes do a GA/check the rest of the teeth/treat if needed. With the frequency that the front teeth were needing doing, it was better than frequent GAs.

The whole thing only took a few minutes - the rabbit wasn't behaving stressed, he was held firmly by the vet to prevent him jumping/ending up hurt, but he was absolutely fine. Much preferable to the stress and risks of a GA. The owners were, and have been in the past, given husbandry advice on diet/things to gnaw on etc to try and help with the teeth.

Hope this makes it a bit clearer!
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You've put my mind at rest there :) it was difficult to tell what was going on in the few seconds they chose to use.
 
Jack's-Jane said:
Was incisor extraction not an option ?
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I believe it had been discussed previously - but decided that for the time being they would continue with burring, if it got to the point were it was being needed even more frequently, or the rabbit wasn't tolerating the quick few mins procedure conscious, then that might be the best option.
 
YoungVet said:
Hi All,

Just seen this so thought I'd join and explain...

This rabbit consult/dental burring was filmed in full, but in the end just a few seconds of it was used (the filming focus of this placement was the very cute cockapoo...) The rabbit was having problems with the front teeth frequently becoming overgrown. His back teeth had been checked at previous dentals, which had been done under GA. It was decided with the vet and the owner, that they would sometimes carry out the burring conscious and sometimes do a GA/check the rest of the teeth/treat if needed. With the frequency that the front teeth were needing doing, it was better than frequent GAs.

The whole thing only took a few minutes - the rabbit wasn't behaving stressed, he was held firmly by the vet to prevent him jumping/ending up hurt, but he was absolutely fine. Much preferable to the stress and risks of a GA. The owners were, and have been in the past, given husbandry advice on diet/things to gnaw on etc to try and help with the teeth.

Hope this makes it a bit clearer!
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Thank you for joining the forum and explaining the background! Please stay around, it's so nice that you have such an interest in rabbits. There aren't enough good bunny vets around! You will certainly hear about a wide range of bunny issues if you read the forum regularly. Just as an owner, I have found it fascinating to read about many different bunny health issues and how some of the bunny specialist vets treat them.
 
Tarja used to have to have her teeth filed whilst awake once a fortnight.

We discussed extractions, which would have been her 5th and 6th GA, the risks involved (broken jaws, stasis, not waking up, teeth growing back even worse) and we accessed her reactions to the filing.

Yes, it's stressful, same as humans find dentists bad but Tarj didn't mind. She actually really enjoyed the vets!!
 
My old dental bun had conscious dentals for her back teeth and they certainly worked. She would go from a bunny being miserable and not eating anything to a happy bunny munching away within half an hour of being back from the vets. With previous dentals under anaesthetic she had taken days to get back to her normal self.

I guess everybun is different, my Poppy was very chilled and was so used to the vets that going didn't phase her, it also kept the cost of the dentals down which was very helpful as she cost me a small fortune in vet treatment.
 
I didn't catch it - was it the front or the back teeth? Front are usually done awake and back asleep.
 
Jack's-Jane said:
I missed that bit too.

I am staying well out of any 'conscious Dental' debate though !! :shock: :lol:
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Oh dear. Mottle had a couple of his back teeth conciously filed ... Poor love. I dont know what he made of it as he is pretty unimpressed with the vet anyway. Any information re; concious dentals jane? (ie links).
 
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