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Recurrent stasis,dilemma, beloved 10yr old, poss bladder cancer

shebunkin

Warren Scout
Recurrent stasis,dilemma, beloved 10yr old, poss bladder cancer:

Our 10 yr old beloved bunny is booked with trusted vet tomorrow 10 am for euthanasia. We would do anything to prolong his days if he is not in pain. It looks as if he has a growth in his bladder. We have nursed him through three really acute life threatening episodes of stasis, since late March, and recently he is having difficulty peeing normally. He has bad arthritis in hind legs and hips and has been on metacam for s few months-- otherwise when not in stasis he has been happy affectionate active and full of spirit.He has dense catracts and very little vision but copes well.

We do not want him admitted, or to undergo an operation but vet has succeeded in doing xray(which showed bad arthritis) and 2 ultrasounds which show a shadow seemingly in the bladder. Recently his letter training broked how and he hold his urine for hours, then runs around depserate to find a place to pee, and does huge dilute pees. (Kidneys not brilliant). She found his urine was dilute and contained bit cells with large nuclei indicative of rapid uncontrolled growth--ie posible cancer.
In thi last episode we have been giving vetagesic injections fro pain but then we realised it was slowing him down so much he appreared to be at deaths door. He has improved a lot since we stopped them. He has been given metaclop injections by vet and oral solution by us, but his is now much reduced.

We have copious pees and poops again after 4 days of 2 hourly care through the night, and yesterday and today he shows an amazing improvement-- yesterday grazing happily, eating forage we collect for him, interacting and affectionate-- and yesterday started eating the Oxbow critical care mix from a spoon not syringe-- I've mixed in Slippery elm, cranberry supplement from Healthspan, Bio lapis and it seems to have done wonders.We are now just on Critical care, metacam twice a day, Zantac every 8 hours and fibreplex on treats. We cut down the metaclopromide Emeprid gut stimulantto just 5 mls once or twice a day because it was giving him horrible pangs at the higher dose and then his poos would stop completely.

The dilemma is this-- he looks like he is in respite. But it could quickly crash, maybe when our trusted vet is not available, we might have to accept a less well-planned euthanasia if he went into sudden decline. Despite all our efforts the poos though copious are still extremely small and very hard. Last two times of stasis we got some larger ones when he got better but this time no improvement after 2 weeks of treatment. Dropping have been getting smaller and drier over past year, but no obvious solution . We think the stress of admission and aggressive interventions by vet are not justifiable esp for an elderly single rabbit.

Vet says no gut obstruction, no urine retention so strategy has been frequent syringe liquid, meds and critical care and hurry him round the kitchen to keep the gut active. That has been hard to do as it feels so mean and his mouth mush have been sore-- but now he is taking in willingly off the spoon and so much happier.

Another beautifuol sunny day for him. But should we put off the decision as he seems so happy and well? I think we have to go ahead tomorrow.

ps WE COULDN'T BOND HIM for good reasons, so he is 90% house rabbit and we are his warrren-- he loves cuddles and grooming and lots of attention.
 
I'm sorry your bunny is so unwell. I really don't have any advice, but just wanted to send hugs.

If you are not happy with tomorrow's plan, could you put it off for a day, if bun has another comfortable day today?
 
I'm sorry your bunny is so unwell. I really don't have any advice, but just wanted to send hugs.

If you are not happy with tomorrow's plan, could you put it off for a day, if bun has another comfortable day today?

Thank you for your kind words.
 
We postponed the PTS but now we have to face it for his sake

Our bunny is still with us, he had an amazing improvement over last weekend with joie de vivre and grazing and poos-- and we decided and vet agreed it was not time. We hoped for a week or a fortnight or maybe even some break through. We would have looked at an alternative for the metacam and any other necessary options. But the remission has not really lasted-- it we are really really honest, he is slowing down-- he has good moments, is still eating, even grazing, but not eating hay and yesterday he was quieter. Our check up was booked for today early pm, and we now think it is time to give him that release, although we are absolutely in bits and will be completely devastated. The thought of being without him is just agonising. somehow we have to be strong and do whats right for him.

The background, in case it helps others is below, and I put a post on at

http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/s...nce-with-bladder-cancer-or-growths-in-bladder .

I’ve been reading RU posts and searching for answers for over a fortnight, also discussing with vet and rabbit friends.

Our bunny is 10-- we've had him 5 years and unfortunately our other two rabbits had to be put down. There is Ec in their area so could not re-use their quarters-- and he is blind-- so decided against trying to bond him with another rabbit-- also we simply can't commit to that at this point. We give him masses of attention to try to compensate and he loves to be stroked and held.

He has been illness- free unil March this year and the stasis started around then. We have nursed him at home and avoided admission or operations to save him distress. Lots of vet visits and meds. Vets have checked regularly--no gut obstruction or urine block.. We have tried to work out whats going on on the basis of vet palpation, a conscious xray (showed the arthritis) and 2 ultrasounds. May be bladder cancer as she saw a shadow on both bladder area ultrasounds and lately during the 2 most recent episodes of stasis he was saving up his urine for hours sometimes nearly all day, then sudden urgency and a big pool.. Vet caught some and did a slide-- no blood, not chalky, but big cells with big dark nuclei she said were typical of fast growth-- ie possibly cancerous. And quite diluted so poss kidneys impaired. So outlook is not good. Of couse we desperately longed for a miracle and years of happiness for him and our vet has been lovely and most of the vets at the practice have discussed his case and all been very supportive..

We had decided that whatever is the cause we would not admit for op-- so focus was on short term keeping him comfortable and stasis-free. limited use of diagnostics esp if distressing-- e.g we have not done bloods etc.

Not eating hay but eats quite a lot of grass-- we try to keep him moving about and active.Poos have gotten gradually smaller and drier over the past year, and nothing I do seems to make them large and round. Have given lots of water etc. House bun with access to outside area with grazing corral.

At the acute stage was getting emeprid and vetegesic injections but I realised the vetagesic was making him appear at deaths door so we stopped that and he improved-- just continued with metacam twice a day, zantac every 8 hrs or twice a day, depending, and oral emeprid .9ml to 1.5 mls per dose-- twice a day. (i left off the 1ml on last posting!) I am topping up fibre and fluids with oxbow critical care mix and with slippery elm, biolapis and ground up cranberry tablet from Healthspan mixed in (for urinary tract) -- he loves it and will eat off spoon. Having fibreplex on treats. Recently got infracol which seems to help as the emeprid seems to give him pangs just after he has it-- some hunching. Gentle Tummy rubs seem to help.

Also he loves forage such as dandlelions, lemon balm,coriander parsley hand cut grass,things like fennel, dried hazel, raspberry leaf, willow. . He has lost interest in greens over the past year, except kale which we limit due to calcium,

His demand for forage led to a reduction in interest in hay which is worrying . There have been apparent slight molar spurs for some time, but no trauma to mouth-- its being monitored with otoscope and some time back we and vet agreed not to do dental unless absolutely necessary-- that was before he got his first bout of stasis and now we are very reluctant to do anything that could bring back full blown stasis.

He had become an incredibly affectionate loving rabbit, especially since becoming a house rabbit and all we have tried to do to compensate for the loss of the other bunnies. There are Ec spores all around so we can’t introduce another rabbit in good conscience. We’ve just kept the panacur and metacam ready in case he showed symptoms, and he hasn’t shown obvious ones..The eye vet said the cataracts were not Ec related. But its too late now to go down that route.

Our vet is rabbit savvy and very helpful, would refer us on to their regional specialist but we think it is too far away and would entail quite a lot ofdistressing interventions to get a diagnosis then what could we do that is non-invasive?

The plan was to do another ultrasound in a couple of weeks to see if shadow growing.
Possibly do a full lab urine lab test though difficult.

But though he has been quite well and cheery and we have kept the poops and pees coming, he is defiinitely quieter. Helen the Duchess told us of her experience with painful bladder cancer in a beloved bun, and we think he has all the symptoms. Also tooth spurs are looming as needing attention, his legs appear to be getting weak/ sore/ wobbly, a nd one of his eyes is looking a bit pink and will need a visit to his eye vet. Its all looming and realistically we can’t see a long pain free remission ahead.

We have booked for early afternoon for PTS and are absolutely in bits.

Thank you all, Weedug Maria, the Duchess, and all the kind thoughts. I put this post on today in case it helps others facing the same dilemma.

RU has been a lifeline.

Shebunkin
 
I'm so sorry :cry: you clearly have done your best for him and I am sure he knows how much you love him xx
 
I'm so sorry :cry::cry:. You really have done so much for him.

My thoughts will be with you all today x
 
I can't put into writing what I am feeling for you both and for Bruce Lee. You are such thoughtful parents. He's a very lucky rabbit to have been given so much and for his carers to have put him first always.

I'm thinking of you all.
 
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