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Could someone identify these weeds for me please

ground elder

one of the very numerous sow thistle/thistle family

Both are fine - in fact ground elder very attractive to buns.


Weed control rarely works against this kind of weed - tbh the stuff most shops sell rarely works against any kind of weed as they just grow in the soil that accumulated on top of it if they are annuals, and push through holes in it if they are perennials.
 
Cool.... just need to get rid of some ivy and the garden will be ok for buns. But theres to many roots :(
 
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