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Alison Marie
15-12-2013, 02:18 PM
I have just been out to clean the pair of buns in the shed. They have massive clumps of cecals stuck to their bums :( I have tried to get off what I can but it really is just stuck to their fluffy bottoms. I am going to book them in to the vet this week, get their jabs done slightly early (they hate the vets so might as well do everything in one go) and their bottoms shaved if possible so we can start again. Their bedding keeps getting stuck in the mix as well but I don't know what else I can use to keep them warm and where it won't get stuck to them :(

I feel really upset - I have tried changing their pellets; less pellets; less veg; no veg and just veg and it does not seem to be helping. I don't understand why its getting stuck and feel like a really crappy owner at the moment :cry: they both eat plenty of hay.

ATM they are eating science selective pellets. It seems to have got worse since being on just SS rather than the mix of Rabbit Royale and SS they were on before. Veg, they normally have kale. Jasper has SS and kale daily and he doesn't have this problem :(

tulsi
15-12-2013, 02:40 PM
Sorry to hear you are having a rough time with mucky bottoms. No experience to offer but wanted to send vibes to the buns x

What about no veg and going back to the rr and ss mix? They could always have bramble leaves or other good forage instead of veg. I think some herbs are good for tummies. Hopefully thumps or other experts will be along to advise.

silverrabbit
15-12-2013, 02:49 PM
I think kale is quite rich, perhaps they just can't tolerate it as well? I would maybe do a few days of hay only with some dried forage if you have any.. then you can start from scratch and add things back in gradually and eliminate the culprit.

Hope the vet appointment goes ok x

Alison Marie
15-12-2013, 02:50 PM
Thank you :) I was thinking of adding a probiotic as well, they used to have one in their water when they were young but I just stopped as they got older.

Jack's-Jane
15-12-2013, 02:58 PM
How much in quantity of SS do you feed them ?

Are they a healthy weight ?

Do you actually see them eat lots of hay ?

Have they both had a Dental check recently ?

bizziel
15-12-2013, 03:01 PM
I think kale is quite rich, perhaps they just can't tolerate it as well? I would maybe do a few days of hay only with some dried forage if you have any.. then you can start from scratch and add things back in gradually and eliminate the culprit.

Hope the vet appointment goes ok x

This is what I did for Coco when she had this problem. Figured out it is better with no carrot and changed to ss instead of Burgess. I took away pellets and veg completely, waited until she had no cecal problems then added back the pellets v gradually to find out how much she can tolerate then added back veg one type at a time. You need to leave it a few days between adding in types as sometimes it takes a couple of days for the problem to show up again.

Hope the vets goes ok, poor bunnies :(

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Alison Marie
15-12-2013, 03:03 PM
How much in quantity of SS do you feed them ?

Are they a healthy weight ?

Do you actually see them eat lots of hay ?

Have they both had a Dental check recently ?

They get a handful of SS between them (they are fed twice a day at the moment- kale in morning, pelelts at night) and yes, they're always nibbling on it when I'm with them, I top up regularly too.

Buttons is slightly over weight, she is coming down though. Nibbles is the right sort of weight.

They last had a checkup in September, Nibbles had his front incisors removed and both were OK in terms of molars etc. I might add this has been a problem for ages now, it's not a recent thing, it just seems to be getting worse. Buttons has always left cecals around since she was very young, but Nibbles has only started getting a really mucky bum since having his incisors removed.

Jack's-Jane
15-12-2013, 03:23 PM
Incisorless Rabbits can sometimes have problems with a mucky bum. I certainly think a Dental check up is needed as it sounds possible that the primary issue is with their teeth.

Have you tried giving them Fibreplex and maybe changing their pellets from SS to Fibafirst ?

http://www.vetuk.co.uk/rabbit-food-fibafirst-rabbit-food-c-649_650_1306/fibafirst-monoforage-feed-for-rabbits-p-9029

http://www.animeddirect.co.uk/protexin-fibreplex-for-rabbits-15ml-syringe.html?utm_source=pricecomparison&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=googleshopping_free&utm_term=Protexin+Fibreplex+for+Rabbits+-+15ml+Syringe&utm_content=895&gclid=CJr9q4u_srsCFS3JtAodu3MA2A

Alison Marie
15-12-2013, 03:31 PM
Incisorless Rabbits can sometimes have problems with a mucky bum. I certainly think a Dental check up is needed as it sounds possible that the primary issue is with their teeth.

Have you tried giving them Fibreplex and maybe changing their pellets from SS to Fibafirst ?

http://www.vetuk.co.uk/rabbit-food-fibafirst-rabbit-food-c-649_650_1306/fibafirst-monoforage-feed-for-rabbits-p-9029

http://www.animeddirect.co.uk/protexin-fibreplex-for-rabbits-15ml-syringe.html?utm_source=pricecomparison&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=googleshopping_free&utm_term=Protexin+Fibreplex+for+Rabbits+-+15ml+Syringe&utm_content=895&gclid=CJr9q4u_srsCFS3JtAodu3MA2A

I don't have any fibreplex at the moment, would giving that help?Nibbles is a fan, Buttons not so much...:lol:

What is Fibafirst? :wave: I am willing to try anything right now, very upset that I just can't seem to get it right.

For Buttons I am not sure its her teeth as she has always had a problem with mucky bum but her teeth have always been fine. :? could be because she is slightly overweight, I guess no pellets and veg would help that.

Jack's-Jane
15-12-2013, 03:43 PM
I don't have any fibreplex at the moment, would giving that help?Nibbles is a fan, Buttons not so much...:lol:

What is Fibafirst? :wave: I am willing to try anything right now, very upset that I just can't seem to get it right.

For Buttons I am not sure its her teeth as she has always had a problem with mucky bum but her teeth have always been fine. :? could be because she is slightly overweight, I guess no pellets and veg would help that.

Click on the first link in my previous post

Alison Marie
15-12-2013, 03:44 PM
would fibafirst be OK for nibbles considering he has no front incisors ?? it looks quite heavy! he manages SS pellets ok though (he has developed his own technique for picking them up)

Jack's-Jane
15-12-2013, 03:47 PM
would fibafirst be OK for nibbles considering he has no front incisors ?? it looks quite heavy! he manages SS pellets ok though (he has developed his own technique for picking them up)

You can break the Fibafirst up :)

madcatwoman
15-12-2013, 03:55 PM
My bridge bun Biscuit was like this, too much cabbage and we would have a sticky bum, Im not saying to do this but we used to use a pair of baby scisssors, my hubby stand up and would hold her in his arms and I would kneel down under her and very slowly and gently snip away from the outer bit of dirty fluff till things looked better, it took ages but seemed the best option for us.

My lot are on burgess excel without issues

Babsie
15-12-2013, 03:55 PM
Personally, I would avoid kale. The greens most rabbits can tolerate are Spring Greens. Perhaps try to measure their pellets a bit more precisely - an eggcupful each is what is generally recommended. I'm not sure how that equates to a handful. That may encourage them to eat more good hay.

Alison Marie
15-12-2013, 04:37 PM
thanks everyone :wave: i feel a lot better. i think first thing to do it take them to the vet and get it shaved/clipped, buttons hates being handled so id on't think it would be wise to try and cut it ourselves to start with. i tried to wipe her bum the other day to try and help but she was having none of it. actually, getting her to the vets will be difficult enough :lol: tonight and tomorrow i think i'll just give them a very small amount of pellets, no kale until we have osrted the problem. will also pick some fibafirst up after work if i can :)

nibbles does not like excel pellets and i found they made the problem worse with buttons :? i do have some from when jasper came to us though, but he now prefers SS. :D

Snowberry
15-12-2013, 05:03 PM
You can break the Fibafirst up :)

Do you use Fibafirst Jane? I am thinking of changing my three over as Snowdrop is still refusing the SS after two weeks and Mr B has been getting a mucky bum recently so I wondered if they are no longer getting on well with SS.

Jack's-Jane
15-12-2013, 05:30 PM
Do you use Fibafirst Jane? I am thinking of changing my three over as Snowdrop is still refusing the SS after two weeks and Mr B has been getting a mucky bum recently so I wondered if they are no longer getting on well with SS.

Mine all have Rabbit Royale but I do give them Fibafirst as a treat. It is the only 'pellet' feed I would use now, although it is sticks not pellets !! I have had too many Bunnies choke on pellet feed

Alison Marie
15-12-2013, 05:35 PM
Mine all have Rabbit Royale but I do give them Fibafirst as a treat. It is the only 'pellet' feed I would use now, although it is sticks not pellets !! I have had too many Bunnies choke on pellet feed

given the choice, Buttons and Nibbles prefer to eat Rabbit Royale however everyone tells me it is not good for the rabbits and they should have SS. However I feel like SS is making it worse... not that they were problem free with RR !!

Jack's-Jane
15-12-2013, 05:40 PM
given the choice, Buttons and Nibbles prefer to eat Rabbit Royale however everyone tells me it is not good for the rabbits and they should have SS. However I feel like SS is making it worse... not that they were problem free with RR !!

I am not advocating RR as being better for all Rabbits. It is just what suits mine. None selectively feed, they only have a tiny portion a day and so far not one Rabbit has had a choking episode.

I have used all the Pellet feeds on the market over the years and in the end I have found RR to be what suits my Rabbits. But I would never suggest that it would be better for all Rabbits.

Babsie
15-12-2013, 05:54 PM
thanks everyone :wave: i feel a lot better. i think first thing to do it take them to the vet and get it shaved/clipped, buttons hates being handled so id on't think it would be wise to try and cut it ourselves to start with. i tried to wipe her bum the other day to try and help but she was having none of it. actually, getting her to the vets will be difficult enough :lol: tonight and tomorrow i think i'll just give them a very small amount of pellets, no kale until we have osrted the problem. will also pick some fibafirst up after work if i can :)

nibbles does not like excel pellets and i found they made the problem worse with buttons :? i do have some from when jasper came to us though, but he now prefers SS. :D

Sounds like a good plan!

Be careful not to reduce the pellets too quickly, as this can cause problems. Instead of kale, you could get them some herbs and introduce those slowly: basil & mint always go down well but they can also have a small amount of parsley as a treat occasionally. As I said, most rabbits can tolerate Spring Greens.

Alison Marie
15-12-2013, 06:29 PM
Sounds like a good plan!

Be careful not to reduce the pellets too quickly, as this can cause problems. Instead of kale, you could get them some herbs and introduce those slowly: basil & mint always go down well but they can also have a small amount of parsley as a treat occasionally. As I said, most rabbits can tolerate Spring Greens.

thank you :wave: my buns don't actually like spring greens very much :shock: i will try the herbs, they have always been ok with those :)

Crunchie
15-12-2013, 06:30 PM
How about offering bramble leaves too. I'm sure I read somewhere that it was good for bun tums.

Alison Marie
15-12-2013, 06:34 PM
How about offering bramble leaves too. I'm sure I read somewhere that it was good for bun tums.

not sure where i would get them from :oops:

Barn Yard Bunnies
15-12-2013, 06:39 PM
Don't feel bad, Mr Bennett has had 3 dirty bottoms this week. Even managed to not give him SS pellets for 3 days and he still had another very clumpy poo on his fur. Have tried everything diet wise in the last year. He is a dental bunny, so it might be brewing up again.

Sarah
15-12-2013, 10:30 PM
Mine have Fibafirst, unlimited hay and some forage - I don't think I have seen a caecal for years! I had a couple of choking episodes with SS as the pellets seemed to get longer and curlier each year :lol: I have five lionheads amongst my bunnies including two with very round flat little faces so I am keen that they have plenty of dental wear.

I would go back to basics and give just hay and a tiny amount of pellets and try a process of elimination.

Alison Marie
16-12-2013, 08:44 AM
Thank you all :D I am definitely sold on fibafirst, I will pick some up after work if my local KG stocks it. O/H is calling the vets today (it's next to KG so that will be handy :lol:). this morning they had a small amount of SS pellets and some dried apple and blackberry leaves :wave: lots of hay available too.

Alison Marie
16-12-2013, 11:11 AM
We are off to the vet this evening so i will let you all know how it goes...

JemimaH
16-12-2013, 11:14 AM
We are off to the vet this evening so i will let you all know how it goes...

Hope it goes well! Out of interest which vets do you use?:wave:

tulsi
16-12-2013, 06:12 PM
Hope it all went well at the vet's. :wave:

ashbunny
16-12-2013, 06:48 PM
Hope all goes well at the vets :)

BTW (and this goes for anyone else too) I have a box full of Fibafirst, if you can wait for it and would prefer to try before you buy just PM me with your address and I'll send you some. :wave: I got some for Ash to see if it would help her issues but she refuses to eat it, Bailey eats it but I found it a bit of a hassle to feed them different food (especially as Bailey doesn't have any issues).

Alison Marie
16-12-2013, 08:34 PM
Well I couldn't go to the vet as I got held up. Nibbles was really bad, a lot worse than Buttons :( Most of it is off now. The vet thinks it could be the environment ie stress :? B is now under 3kg :)

Anyway, I've got them inside at the moment in the coldest part of the house - I want to monitor them for a few days to see how they get on. I picked up some fibafirst too :wave:

Alison Marie
16-12-2013, 09:13 PM
https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1513201_10151820379498321_682761190_n.jpg

Chilling out after the trauma of the vets - Bubs, that's surely not very comfy?? (I really need to recoat that dog crate...)

silverrabbit
16-12-2013, 09:26 PM
Aww bless, hope their tums settle soon :)

Alison Marie
17-12-2013, 08:33 AM
they seem ok this morning. i have some bio lapis to give them later on, then i need to try and bathe their bottoms to get any stragglers off!

Alison Marie
18-12-2013, 08:28 AM
Just thought I'd update that their bums are still clean :D we'll see how they get on then see about moving them back outside on Saturday. If they get mucky bum again then I will have to move them inside permanently over winter. Best put some money aside for the pet deposit just in case :shock: (100)