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Reply from the BBC re The Burrowers

Vanessa.B

Mama Doe
I have received this reply from the BBC - I sent them an email expressing my concern after the first programme about the use of domesticated rabbits and the number of potential offspring involved. It is the reply I expected which I am sure all of us who have complained will receive, trotting out words such as 'welfare', 'experts', 'professional'. It does not in any way, shape or form make me feel any better about the programme. It seems that the breeder who supplied the rabbits already supplies rabbits to 'their network of reputable pet shops' with 'access to veterinary facilities where possible'. Could this be the most prolific chain of pet shops I wonder?


Thank you for raising your concerns for the rabbits featured in The Burrowers.
Your concerns have been discussed with the production team responsible for the programme and we would like to reassure you that at all stages of production, animal welfare and ethics were and still are paramount.
The production team has and continues to work extensively with leading experts in their particular fields relating to this ground breaking natural history project, from the initial stages through to the post production husbandry and re-housing of all the animals involved, and to the re-homing of the rabbits.
None of the rabbits born in the replica warren have been passed to rescue centres as the production was fully aware of the pressures institutions like these are experiencing. The decision was taken not to add to those pressures, and to instead work with an established breeder linked to a network of reputable pet shops, which also have a demonstrable commitment to animal welfare.
The breeder is extremely experienced and has an excellent track record. Furthermore the breeder is subject to ongoing checks from the council, completed by an Animal Health and Welfare Officer which regulates the pet shop licence required in order to breed rabbits.
The breeder was well-known to our animal experts on the farm, and gave welfare advice - along with other independent experts - about the rabbit welfare during filming and visited the animals regularly. This meant the breeder was confident in their ability to successfully and appropriately re-home these animals as part of their ongoing work.
Whilst at the breeder, the young rabbits have never been kept individually, have been kept in compatible groups, housed under professional husbandry standards and then transferred to pet shops in compatible groups.
To date, a significant proportion of the rabbits featured in the show have already been passed by the breeder to their network of reputable pet shops for re-homing. These pet stores are of a standard that they have access to veterinary facilities where possible, and have clear policies that a) rabbits are recommended to be sold in pairs due to the sociability of this species b) customers buying rabbits are advised that they should be neutered due to behaviour and health needs at the appropriate age and c) customers buying or considering buying a rabbit are advised on rabbit care, behaviour and needs. All of this supporting what is noted in the Animal Welfare Act of 2006 for owner's duty of care.
In addition to the above, some of the rabbits remain in compatible groups at the farm featured in the series or have been rehoused, in pairs, by the animal experts based there directly.
We hope that this response demonstrates that from the start of the project a year ago the ethics and welfare of all the animals featured was front and centre to each decision taken; from the early planning stages through to what happens to them after the filming was completed. Clearly it was vital that the rabbits, unlike the badgers and water voles, were not released into the wild, but rehomed through experienced and reputable channels with properly briefed new owners, at the earliest possible opportunity.
We're delighted by the audience response to the series, and the opportunity it has provided to reveal more about rabbit behaviour and their needs.
 
Where do they think the rabbits in rescue centers come from? They've completely missed the point that the people who buy them may get bored and get rid.
 
Assuming they're talking about P@H which is the first thing I thought of, I can categorically state that the assistant who sold us Flymo (2yrs ago ish) made no attempt to advise us that rabbits should live in pairs, ideal diet or any of that stuff. :?

They do have notices up now about rabbits being suited to living in pairs but that's hardly the same as all the stuff mentioned in that note...
 
I've not even had a reply to my complaint. :?

:( These poor rabbits. I'm so annoyed that they have been shoved into a pet shop and sold to anyone who wants a rabbit. :cry:

I would ask the BBC if they are checking the homes they go to and if they can guarantee that their "welfare standards" are met. I doubt they'd be able to answer that.
 
How dissapointing. Even if all the new owners are amazing (which I doubt if they went through P@H) then they are still people who could have got rescue bunnies instead, which they don't seem to appreciate. Also, I think they could have used wild bunnies if they were prepared to give them more than two weeks to acclimatise, and if they had sacrificed the camera angles from the massive boom camera in the outside part of the "warren" and the ability to march about and talk loudly on their side of the glass (as in The Secret Life of the Rabbit where they had a smaller version of the cross section warren - but apparently all the "experts" forgot about that when they were saying how nothing like that had been done before).

As to the bunnies together thing it's always struck me that anything to do with bonding is just completely ignored by them. Both the bunnies we got from there through the adoption centre we were told would have to always live alone which is rubbish. True, they wouldn't have then as they were unspayed and Bugsy was also hormonal - but there was no mention of neutering them (I think it might have been on the form that you would do it but it's just a tickbox so they don't know people actually will) and the effect that and age might have on their bonding prospects. All the pair encouragement I've seen is a poster saying "rabbits like to live in pairs" and a discount if you get two baby bunnies.
 
I thought they'd said at the start of the series that the bunnies were wild crosses!? They can't use those to supply to pet shops surely?
 
typical BBC white wash "no really every thing is fiiiiine" bull poop. :censored:

*no reputable breeder supplies pet shops.
*no pet shops can be guaranteed to advise any owners of the proper requirements and there's no reason new owner will listen anyway.
*agouti wild crosses will stay in a shop forever until they're "too old" and grown up and too "wild" for typical family with toddlers going to a shop to buy bunny wabbits.
 
Can we not continue to argue our point ? I have not received a reply yet, but when (if!!) I do I intend to keep on at them.
 
I'd just like to point out that not every family with a toddler who buys a rabbit from Pets at Home has intentions of dumping them again a few weeks later. ;) :p
 
Rabbit's get sold in pet shops, a minority might not like it but that's not an unreasonable thing to do with baby rabbits as far as most of the public are concerned.

However, taking young rabbits that have grown up wild (and remember the program kept telling us that living in this environment the rabbits would act wild despite their genes) would be them less than ideal candidates to go to what might be completely notice pet owners. They are likely to be less handleable (and they wouldn't have experienced that - presuming the experiment included keeping hands off) and they are used to a very large area so they average sized hutch it likely to leave them bored and frustrated. In both cases it makes them more likely to display behaviour issues and more likely to end up unwanted as a result.
 
Rabbit's get sold in pet shops, a minority might not like it but that's not an unreasonable thing to do with baby rabbits as far as most of the public are concerned.

However, taking young rabbits that have grown up wild (and remember the program kept telling us that living in this environment the rabbits would act wild despite their genes) would be them less than ideal candidates to go to what might be completely notice pet owners. They are likely to be less handleable (and they wouldn't have experienced that - presuming the experiment included keeping hands off) and they are used to a very large area so they average sized hutch it likely to leave them bored and frustrated. In both cases it makes them more likely to display behaviour issues and more likely to end up unwanted as a result.


I agree with what everyone else has said, the BBC have missed the point. But to echo Tamsin, I too was concerned when it was announced the rabbits having lived as wild rabbits would then go on to become domestic pets. I think that is too cruel really, far better the bunnies were released into the wild to take their chances and live as they were born and brought up to do. I think the BBC have played God here in a very very bad way. I wish a reputable and respected rabbit expert could take them to task publicly and show them how wrong this was. Surely it's common sense to realise bring animals up as wild and them forcing them into domestication is a big mistake?

Jane is right though, we have to keep complaining. Thanks for sharing Vanessa, its good to know what we are up against.
 
They wouldn't survive in the wild either :( Although they claimed they would act wild and wouldn't know the area was predator free, there was absolutely no risk of predators and with their senses rabbits are smart enough to realise that. They'd have none of the training/learn behaviour about detecting, fleeing, and avoid predators, either from their parents (who had no experience of it or the environment they grew up in). The 'experiment' was flawed in that it wasn't representative of wild environment/rabbits and it just left them with unsocialised domestic rabbits used to a lot of space.
 
I think half the problem here is that because it's totally acceptable to the majority of the public to sell rabbits in pet shops, they don't realise that what they have done will contribute to the number of rescue rabbits.

How many people who go into a pet shop to buy a rabbit will pick a wild looking agouti rabbit over a cute lop?
 
Can we not continue to argue our point ? I have not received a reply yet, but when (if!!) I do I intend to keep on at them.

I will be replying over the weekend. I cannot find the right words to describe how I feel about this - such a very sad and sorry end to a pointless, and as Tamsin says, flawed exercise.
 
The thing that saddens me most is what Tamsin said - it's so very unfair and indeed cruel to take rabbits who have been used to growing up in an expansive, enriched environment and then send them to a situation in which they are highly likely to find themselves living in a hutch, maybe with attached run if they are lucky. I wonder if they were advertised in such a way that the potential owners knew about their background and were advised accordingly, or whether they were simply bunnies for sale, £x.
 
The thing that saddens me most is what Tamsin said - it's so very unfair and indeed cruel to take rabbits who have been used to growing up in an expansive, enriched environment and then send them to a situation in which they are highly likely to find themselves living in a hutch, maybe with attached run if they are lucky. I wonder if they were advertised in such a way that the potential owners knew about their background and were advised accordingly, or whether they were simply bunnies for sale, £x.

I used those exact words in my email to the BBC
 
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