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ripminnie
04-05-2013, 09:29 PM
I was in tears earlier :cry: in the rescue Molly was shy and quiet, but after recovering from her hour long journey, she soon settled in and became quite a feisty madam :( Olly eventually plucked up the courage to go and say hello at the pen partition, but Molly seemed quite aggressive and looked like she was trying to nip his nose :cry: if she bites my Olly she can't stay here :( I know it isn't fair to judge so early, and it's not quite even 2 weeks since she was spayed, but Olly really needs a gentle girl. This isn't an ordinary bonding, for those of you who don't know. Olly has a head tilt and is very nervous of new people/ bunnies. I do not want him getting bitten even once. He is sad enough already, without that. He just wants a friend to snuggle with and to wash him. We just want him to be happy. I don't know if I even dare put them in a pen together. I was on the verge of calling the rescue and saying this isn't going to work, I'll have to bring her back tomorrow. And that would be just awful. So I think we are going to stay like this for a few weeks and see if she calms down. I think she's a bit of a nutter!! I am very stressed to say the least!! :(

HoneyBear
04-05-2013, 09:35 PM
Fingers crosse it all works out ok in the end for you Olly and Molly x

Fee
04-05-2013, 09:39 PM
ooh no... maybe she is just hyper stressed after journey..... all the best

Fee x

Rabcat
04-05-2013, 09:41 PM
So sorry to hear that it's been so stressful. Maybe you should keep her out of Olly's way altogether tonight and then see how she is tomorrow. It could be that the journey stressed her and she is upset and a bit scared by being in a new place with new people. Maybe she needs to settle in first?

Poor little Olly and poor you too :( I hope Olly is okay.

I hope it feels clearer in the morning. X

Santa
04-05-2013, 09:42 PM
Personally I would take her out of the same room and put her somewhere completely different. It's perfectly normal for even the most docile and placid bunnies to behave territorially and to try and nip another bunny when they are put next to each other like that - it's absolutely no indication of how they will behave when bonded - but if she is showing signs that she is likely to be territorial, I wouldn't let them anywhere near each other until you are ready to bond, as the likelihood is that they will wind each other up rather than calm each other down beforehand.

When I first introduced Bertram to Heather when I was getting ready to bond them, he rushed excitedly up to the bars and she growled, boxed the bars and tried to bite him. Yet having had her for years I know that she is the calmest, most docile bun who is never a problem during a bond. Honestly, you really can't draw any inference from the behaviour you have seen...although you will need to be careful to make sure that they don't make each other cross before you are ready to bond.

Good luck xx

littleboots
04-05-2013, 09:50 PM
Aww..... try not to despair.... shes had a big upheaval and needs time to settle..... Ive had very similar on the first day home....
When I brought Bailey home to be Hollys friend.... she lunged at him through the pen as soon as she saw him.... I darent risk him being bitten so ended up putting mesh around the bottom of the pen so she couldnt get to him.... After a few days... they were comfy with each other.... and she accepted him being there..... so i removed the mesh..... and hey presto.... they were fine...
Theyre now very loved up.... so dont lose heart... its early days xxx

susie bun
04-05-2013, 09:55 PM
Sending vibes and hug for you.

I don't have any experience of bonding, but if she was only spayed two weeks ago, couple with the stress of the move I think it is understandable that she is a bit insecure. It might take quite a while for her to settle back into what seemed to be her normal character when you saw her in the rescue.

ripminnie
04-05-2013, 10:17 PM
Olly is ok, we've let him out of the pen now so he can hop around the lounge, and he's much happier. He really doesn't do well penned in. Molly has hyper spells where she charges round and jumps on her box, she has drank lots and just had some kale for her supper. She is eating fine, as is Olly. We put another pen panel between them so there's a gap, so it's more difficult for nipping. Molly is a bit scared of the tv, but she'll have to get used to it as this is where she'll be living for now.

ripminnie
05-05-2013, 11:13 AM
She's doing my head in :( I don't know what to do with her! She eats any greens and carrots and drinks fine, but barely touches her food (mixture of old and new like she's been having for the last week). I don't think she ate much anyway. In the rescue her main bedding was shredded paper, which is really stupid as all the rabbits were eating it :evil: so now i think she sees paper as food, and is moving her hay to get at the newspaper, and shredding it! :shock: she keeps picking up bits of hay and dropping them. Apparently her teeth were checked when she got spayed :? She isn't eating any of her caecotrophs but is passing normal droppings aswell. All she's eaten today is a few nibbles of carrot :(

biscandmatt1
05-05-2013, 11:29 AM
she sounds unsettled. hopefully she will settle down soon. she has been through alot lately so may just need some more time. x

xClairex
05-05-2013, 12:10 PM
Really not trying to offend here but you sound like you dislike Molly and are picking at her for the smallest thing :(
She is new to your household and is probably unsettled and maybe a little scared.
She may even be picking up on how you're feeling and that's why she's acting up sometimes.
And if she was eating newspaper at the rescue then that is learnt behaviour and she's not going to stop doing it in just a few days/weeks.

If she's scared of the tv (and you pretty much saying, tough she'll have to get used to it) perhaps move her to a different room while she settles in.

No bunny wants to be somewhere they are not wanted :(

Rabcat
05-05-2013, 12:32 PM
Sounds like the poor little thing hasn't had the best of care in the past and her behaviour can only be based on what she knows. She'll need your help to adjust to living with you.

If you really think and feel in your heart that she isn't the right bun for you it may be best for her if you take her back now rather than in a few weeks to avoid further confusion for her.

Consider what is best for her as well as you and Olly then go with it.

Good luck x

dizzyg
05-05-2013, 12:34 PM
She's doing my head in :( I don't know what to do with her! She eats any greens and carrots and drinks fine, but barely touches her food (mixture of old and new like she's been having for the last week). I don't think she ate much anyway. In the rescue her main bedding was shredded paper, which is really stupid as all the rabbits were eating it :evil: so now i think she sees paper as food, and is moving her hay to get at the newspaper, and shredding it! :shock: she keeps picking up bits of hay and dropping them. Apparently her teeth were checked when she got spayed :? She isn't eating any of her caecotrophs but is passing normal droppings aswell. All she's eaten today is a few nibbles of carrot :(

I think she sounds a little stressed bless her. I would just leave her be for a day or two to calm down and get used to her new surroundings. I'm sure she'll soon stop the paper-nomming. It will just take her a while to settle I think.

Sending relaxing vibes for her.

And sorry, if she DOES nip Ollie, it's probably due to stress, not because she doesn't like him, or because she's aggressive, just because she's scared.

x

Bunny Buddy
05-05-2013, 12:38 PM
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Santa
05-05-2013, 12:43 PM
Really not trying to offend here but you sound like you dislike Molly and are picking at her for the smallest thing :(
She is new to your household and is probably unsettled and maybe a little scared.
She may even be picking up on how you're feeling and that's why she's acting up sometimes.
And if she was eating newspaper at the rescue then that is learnt behaviour and she's not going to stop doing it in just a few days/weeks.

If she's scared of the tv (and you pretty much saying, tough she'll have to get used to it) perhaps move her to a different room while she settles in.

No bunny wants to be somewhere they are not wanted :(

I totally agree with this. It sounds to me like you have a scared, unsettled bunny, which is exactly what I would expect of a new bunny in these circumstances. I really think that you need to have a good talk with yourself and start trying to empathise with her rather than picking up on little things that you are finding annoying. She is not doing it to annoy or upset you, she is just an anxious, unsettled little bun. I hate to say it but if you continue in this mindset, it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you aren't able to empathise with her appropriately then I suggest you take her back now before she becomes even more unsettled by picking up on your stress or being taken back in a few weeks time when the bond doesn't work...which it more than likely won't if you continue to view her in the way you do now.

I'm sorry to sound harsh but it's the reality I'm afraid.

ripminnie
05-05-2013, 01:38 PM
I am not picking at her for eating paper etc, i am worried about it! I don't dislike her, i just am very concerned for my little disabled bun which I'm sure anyone would be. I am struggling because i don't know how to get her eating the right things etc.

Really not trying to offend here but you sound like you dislike Molly and are picking at her for the smallest thing :(
She is new to your household and is probably unsettled and maybe a little scared.
She may even be picking up on how you're feeling and that's why she's acting up sometimes.
And if she was eating newspaper at the rescue then that is learnt behaviour and she's not going to stop doing it in just a few days/weeks.

If she's scared of the tv (and you pretty much saying, tough she'll have to get used to it) perhaps move her to a different room while she settles in.

No bunny wants to be somewhere they are not wanted :(

RogerRabbit999
05-05-2013, 01:38 PM
It sounds like it may possibly have been too soon for you to take on another bunny. It's very early days yet, and Honey was so very, very special and totally adorable, and you are still grieving for her and will be for some time yet. It must be awful at the moment Molly being where Honey should be, and I would find that very hard to deal with myself. It took me about 3 months to be able to even consider taking on another bun, and I felt really mean with so many in rescues, but I knew I simply wouldn't be able to cope with seeing another bunny, where Roger should still be. Even now, 7 months later, I still don't let them go in parts of the house that Roger was only allowed to go in, they don't have things like personalised towels because only Roger had things like that. Roger was my 'bunny of a lifetime' as Honey is yours, and I think to some extent we will never feel quite the same about another bunny, but it doesn't mean you can't have or won't love another bun, and you will in time find happiness as well with another as I have, but it will never be quite the same I don't think. I am genuinely so very, very sorry for your loss of Honey.

ripminnie
05-05-2013, 01:39 PM
Thank you x


Sounds like the poor little thing hasn't had the best of care in the past and her behaviour can only be based on what she knows. She'll need your help to adjust to living with you.

If you really think and feel in your heart that she isn't the right bun for you it may be best for her if you take her back now rather than in a few weeks to avoid further confusion for her.

Consider what is best for her as well as you and Olly then go with it.

Good luck x

ripminnie
05-05-2013, 01:43 PM
Thank you, it is good to
Know that I'm not evil as others seem to think, thank you for understanding xxx

It sounds like it may possibly have been too soon for you to take on another bunny. It's very early days yet, and Honey was so very, very special and totally adorable, and you are still grieving for her and will be for some time yet. It must be awful at the moment Molly being where Honey should be, and I would find that very hard to deal with myself. It took me about 3 months to be able to even consider taking on another bun, and I felt really mean with so many in rescues, but I knew I simply wouldn't be able to cope with seeing another bunny, where Roger should still be. Even now, 7 months later, I still don't let them go in parts of the house that Roger was only allowed to go in, they don't have things like personalised towels because only Roger had things like that. Roger was my 'bunny of a lifetime' as Honey is yours, and I think to some extent we will never feel quite the same about another bunny, but it doesn't mean you can't have or won't love another bun, and you will in time find happiness as well with another as I have, but it will never be quite the same I don't think. I am genuinely so very, very sorry for your loss of Honey.

biscandmatt1
05-05-2013, 02:51 PM
no-one thinks you're evil :(

ripping up paper can be a stress thing i think. maybe scrunch up some newspaper for her to throw and shred then maybe she will leave the litter tray paper alone a bit more?? or put just paper in a spare tray for her?

i know you're still grieving so much so you're probably extra worried about things working out. x

ripminnie
05-05-2013, 03:03 PM
Her whole pen now has newspaper with hay on top, i haven't used trays as will take up too much room. The lady at the rescue says that she always rips up her paper. I don't think she's actually that stressed now, she has had some grass, finished her piece of carrot and had some of her old food, she doesn't like my SS pellets, even though she's had a mixture for the last week, so not sure what to do in that department :?
She just had a crunchie too :). I'm just exhausted and really stressed with everything that's happened; i know she'll be nervous as everything is new, and i know i need to give her some time, which is what I'm doing. I appreciate advice from people but having a go at me like some people are
isn't helping at all, i just burst into tears.
X


no-one thinks you're evil :(

ripping up paper can be a stress thing i think. maybe scrunch up some newspaper for her to throw and shred then maybe she will leave the litter tray paper alone a bit more?? or put just paper in a spare tray for her?

i know you're still grieving so much so you're probably extra worried about things working out. x

Rabcat
05-05-2013, 05:34 PM
Hi

I hope you didn't think I was having a go at you :(

I think you are really brave voicing your feelings on here about Molly after what you went through with Honey.

It broke my heart reading your posts about Honey so I can't begin to imagine what it actually felt like for you.

I really do hope that you find a happy solution what ever that may end up as. X

biscandmatt1
05-05-2013, 06:10 PM
Her whole pen now has newspaper with hay on top, i haven't used trays as will take up too much room. The lady at the rescue says that she always rips up her paper. I don't think she's actually that stressed now, she has had some grass, finished her piece of carrot and had some of her old food, she doesn't like my SS pellets, even though she's had a mixture for the last week, so not sure what to do in that department :?
She just had a crunchie too :). I'm just exhausted and really stressed with everything that's happened; i know she'll be nervous as everything is new, and i know i need to give her some time, which is what I'm doing. I appreciate advice from people but having a go at me like some people are
isn't helping at all, i just burst into tears.
X

:( i wish i could advise something to help but i just don't know what will, other than giving it time. does she seem more settled now than when she first arrived? if so, maybe you are on the right track. :wave:

ripminnie
05-05-2013, 06:21 PM
Hi, no not at all :wave: thank you x


Hi

I hope you didn't think I was having a go at you :(

I think you are really brave voicing your feelings on here about Molly after what you went through with Honey.

It broke my heart reading your posts about Honey so I can't begin to imagine what it actually felt like for you.

I really do hope that you find a happy solution what ever that may end up as. X

ripminnie
05-05-2013, 06:26 PM
:( i wish i could advise something to help but i just don't know what will, other than giving it time. does she seem more settled now than when she first arrived? if so, maybe you are on the right track. :wave:

Yes she is more chilled now, she has actually just flopped for the second time today, which is good! She has had a bit of tea aswell so I'm a bit happier. She chills out for a bit then has a crazy 10 mins running round and jumping on her box :lol:
Olly isn't too happy though, not because of Molly but because he's in a pen, I think he thinks he's being punished :( I do let him out, but he is spending more time sleeping in his house than normal. He will be missing his bedroom. I didn't anticipate having to pen him in for weeks, which it now looks like :(

hoppetylop
05-05-2013, 06:30 PM
Its exciting and also pretty stressful when you take on a new bun and the pressure of wanting the bond to work and wanting to protect your other bun-no wonder youre feeling stressed not to mention the loss of Honey:(
Hope Molly calms down soon when shes feeling abit more settled.Good luck x

Rabcat
05-05-2013, 06:36 PM
Yes she is more chilled now, she has actually just flopped for the second time today, which is good! She has had a bit of tea aswell so I'm a bit happier. She chills out for a bit then has a crazy 10 mins running round and jumping on her box :lol:
Olly isn't too happy though, not because of Molly but because he's in a pen, I think he thinks he's being punished :( I do let him out, but he is spending more time sleeping in his house than normal. He will be missing his bedroom. I didn't anticipate having to pen him in for weeks, which it now looks like :(

Thank you for your earlier reply :D

Maybe you will have to let Olly spend some time in his bedroom during this adjustment period? Lots of fuss and treats for him :)

I so wish there was a way of explaining things to them! X

ripminnie
05-05-2013, 07:37 PM
It's really difficult knowing what to do :( we cleaned all Olly's room yesterday, so now he probably won't feel at home in there because it won't smell like him anymore :cry:
If I move them both up there but still keep them separate, it won't be a neutral space anymore when eventually we begin bonding. There aren't any other rooms, apart from the lounge where they are now, and Molly is still scared of the tv :( if I lived by myself I just wouldn't have it on, but my OH won't have that! I don't want to just put Molly upstairs as she will claim the space as her own :? Just don't know what to do.

Fee
05-05-2013, 08:08 PM
The very best of luck.. Bonding isn't easy a the best of times and given you have a bunny with 'issues' , it makes stress 10 times worse....you'll just be soooo over protective....

I was told when I was having bonding issues that my stress was showing and the bunnies sensed it, but like you, it's easier said than done to chill...

All the very best...

Fee x

susie bun
05-05-2013, 08:48 PM
Continuing vibes for you and the buns. xx

MimzMum
05-05-2013, 10:41 PM
I hope that Molly is continuing to settle and that there is more hope for a bond for her and Olly.
((((((((Hugs)))))))) for you. xxxx

Having a former head tilt bun myself, I can understand your wanting to be very protective of him. And of course his and Honey's bond was perfect. They were meant for one another and that is a very big pair of bunny feetsies for Molly to fill. Not just for him, but for you too.

She does just sound unsettled and nervous due to prior care, or lack of such. Fiver is one such bun, he was very hurtfully treated by a group of four little eight-ten year old boys and one owner who kept him in a dark garage in a wee cage by himself. When I brought him home he was very head shy, did not like being handled and would grunt and box at anything that came towards him. Imagine his surprise when I let him out of his pen and allowed him free run of my bed! He was in heaven, but still very easily frightened and continues to have a shred of that to this day...however he is a very loving bun and he and Mimzy, when allowed time together, very much like one another...two boys, an odd pairing to be sure.

I would try to rebond Mimzy with his former wifebun, but she is so big and tends to like to head hump him which I can't allow. Also since his tilt he is wary and will nip and chase more than I like him to. Keeping his stress down is also a big priority so that he doesn't relapse.

After Molly gets a bit more familiar with the routine, she may be less bouncy. She may not. I think it is wise to be prepared for either outcome.
I also understand your worry about her eating properly. It doesn't sound like she is particularly lacking in anything...some bunnies just don't know what hay is or are very picky about their pellets. I've tried several kinds and keep coming back to Oxbow. Mimzy is the only one who can digest them without having excess cecals and only if I feed a limited amount. But since he is still not eating hay well, even after a dental, I have to supplement him with something.
I know Honey's diagnosis pointed to having had something to do with diet, but not all bunnies have the same trouble. For this trial period, try to slowly keep introducing the foods you want Molly to eat, but try not to stress if she does not. As long as she is eating something good for her and is eliminating well, she should be fine.

When the time is right to start reintroducing the bunnies to one another, consider getting a stuffed toy (if Molly will be good and not eat it) that you can place in either enclosure with the buns for enough time to get their scent on it. It might help Molly acclimate to Olly if she has a toy to take her initial territorial stresses out on that smells like him. That way he avoids much of the brunt of introductions.
I can understand your frustration at keeping Olly penned. Therefore any time you can spend with him to let him know he is not being punished or isolated, special treats as have been mentioned, and maybe a little extra cuddling and coddling will go a long way in letting him know everything is going to be alright.

Many vibes and prayers being sent that this situation will work out best for all concerned. Thinking of you. xxxx

ripminnie
05-05-2013, 10:52 PM
Thank you so much, you are so lovely and caring :love:
Molly has actually settled a lot more tonight and I am feeling a lot more positive :D she is eating much better aswell which takes away some of my stress! She is really funny, her ears do all sorts of strange things, and she runs round like a baby bunny! She is 2 years old but looks and acts about 6 months. Maybe that's because she was kept in a tiny hutch her whole life and hasn't had chance to do baby bunny stuff :?
I'm just feeling a lot better about it all tonight :D thank you xxx



I hope that Molly is continuing to settle and that there is more hope for a bond for her and Olly.
((((((((Hugs)))))))) for you. xxxx

Having a former head tilt bun myself, I can understand your wanting to be very protective of him. And of course his and Honey's bond was perfect. They were meant for one another and that is a very big pair of bunny feetsies for Molly to fill. Not just for him, but for you too.

She does just sound unsettled and nervous due to prior care, or lack of such. Fiver is one such bun, he was very hurtfully treated by a group of four little eight-ten year old boys and one owner who kept him in a dark garage in a wee cage by himself. When I brought him home he was very head shy, did not like being handled and would grunt and box at anything that came towards him. Imagine his surprise when I let him out of his pen and allowed him free run of my bed! He was in heaven, but still very easily frightened and continues to have a shred of that to this day...however he is a very loving bun and he and Mimzy, when allowed time together, very much like one another...two boys, an odd pairing to be sure.

I would try to rebond Mimzy with his former wifebun, but she is so big and tends to like to head hump him which I can't allow. Also since his tilt he is wary and will nip and chase more than I like him to. Keeping his stress down is also a big priority so that he doesn't relapse.

After Molly gets a bit more familiar with the routine, she may be less bouncy. She may not. I think it is wise to be prepared for either outcome.
I also understand your worry about her eating properly. It doesn't sound like she is particularly lacking in anything...some bunnies just don't know what hay is or are very picky about their pellets. I've tried several kinds and keep coming back to Oxbow. Mimzy is the only one who can digest them without having excess cecals and only if I feed a limited amount. But since he is still not eating hay well, even after a dental, I have to supplement him with something.
I know Honey's diagnosis pointed to having had something to do with diet, but not all bunnies have the same trouble. For this trial period, try to slowly keep introducing the foods you want Molly to eat, but try not to stress if she does not. As long as she is eating something good for her and is eliminating well, she should be fine.

When the time is right to start reintroducing the bunnies to one another, consider getting a stuffed toy (if Molly will be good and not eat it) that you can place in either enclosure with the buns for enough time to get their scent on it. It might help Molly acclimate to Olly if she has a toy to take her initial territorial stresses out on that smells like him. That way he avoids much of the brunt of introductions.
I can understand your frustration at keeping Olly penned. Therefore any time you can spend with him to let him know he is not being punished or isolated, special treats as have been mentioned, and maybe a little extra cuddling and coddling will go a long way in letting him know everything is going to be alright.

Many vibes and prayers being sent that this situation will work out best for all concerned. Thinking of you. xxxx