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Elena
26-11-2012, 09:46 PM
It was going so well. I let them on the landing for a little while and Nutmeg started scrapping with the other two. It settled again when I brought them back into my room but it's just kicked off again twice.

I don't know whether to out the pen back or take them for a ride or what. :cry:

KarenM
26-11-2012, 09:51 PM
Oh no. :( I don't know what to advise - I'm such a bonding numpty I sent Alfie away to be bonded :oops: but I didn't want to read and run. My instinct would be to reduce the space back again if it was the change in location that seemed to set things off but I hope somebody else can advise properly.

Alibunmum
26-11-2012, 09:57 PM
If they are fine in your room just keep them in there for a few days at least. And don't panic, sounds like a bit too much too soon.:wave:

Elena
26-11-2012, 10:00 PM
It seems calm again for the most part. They've been eating hay together but every now and then Nutmeg is being Nutmeg and jumps back out for cos Mini's moved or something. I'm trying to keep myself from getting emotional, I know it doesn't help. Mini's being a bit off herself cos Nutmeg's pulled her fur by her mouth and there a very small wound there.

Elena
26-11-2012, 10:01 PM
If they are fine in your room just keep them in there for a few days at least. And don't panic, sounds like a bit too much too soon.:wave:

They were but every now and then it kicks off again. I think it's unsettled things a bit from both of the girls.

Elena
27-11-2012, 12:13 AM
No more actual fighting or chasing. Nutmeg is nervous of Mini and they're keeping a distance from each other most of the time. When they do get together Nutmeg ends up running off.

I'm supposed to be going out tomorrow but at the moment I don't even feel like I can sleep. I'm seriously thinking of taking them for a drive but I'm scared it'll make things worse. Im not sure if I need to bring them back together a bit or if that will happen naturally. Ha, and as I type that they both get in the litter tray.

I've shut the carrier again because that was the other thing I changed today. I'm pretty sure that didn't set this off but I think it might not have helped as Nutmeg was hiding in there earlier.

Oh man, I'm so rubbish at this.

Alibunmum
27-11-2012, 12:43 AM
You are certainly not rubbish at thiss, you are learning about this and that is totally different. Try not to be stressed about it because they will pick up on it and then they will be worse. You know they are ok in your room and you know they are not actively trying to kill each other so just let them be and they will get on with it. If they do have a major squabble - fur flying and no let up, not just a bit of chasing - then put the pen back up. Personally I wouldn't take them out in the car unless all else was failing. Go back to square 1 and the indoor cage if you have to but I think any upheaval right now will do more harm than good while they settle again.

Elena
27-11-2012, 01:11 AM
Thank you Ali, sorry I'm falling apart a bit :oops: they just sat together for a while so I'm relaxing more :oops: I think it's seeing Mini hurt, it's rattled me. She's ok though so I'm gonna try to get some sleep :)

Kavanne
27-11-2012, 01:27 AM
Hey, with Rupert and Sapphire's recent problems, once I reintroduced them - everytime they fought I reduced their space back down until it stopped. Then started increasing space back slowly.

It's been a week and a half now but finally increasing space without any problems (except at pellet time so they eat separately!)

GrahamL
27-11-2012, 08:44 AM
The landing was shared wasn't it at random times by both pairs? It could be that 'territory' set things off.

I remember when Ginger first made it up stairs, her and Biscuit had their first ever real fight. Biscuit had already been up there on several occasions as he was so much stronger and so could do the stairs. Evne though they are the closest things in the world, that still triggered them.

Just trying to put your mind at rest - get them back in your room and keep it like that for a week or more i'd say, keep it settled :)

Elena
27-11-2012, 08:47 AM
They were ok overnight. The girls are sitting separate from each other and avoiding each other a bit although they are sitting within a foot of each other right now. Everyone's snoozing.

Thank you Gray, I know I was panicking a lot last night. I just, I'm so fearful of Mini being hurt and her getting an abscess. By the way I saw Marsh yesterday and he's doing really well :thumb:

fluffiebunnie
27-11-2012, 08:59 AM
Don't give up! Looks like going back one step has calmed things down. I hope today is less stressful for you!

GrahamL
27-11-2012, 08:59 AM
They were ok overnight. The girls are sitting separate from each other and avoiding each other a bit although they are sitting within a foot of each other right now. Everyone's snoozing.

Thank you Gray, I know I was panicking a lot last night. I just, I'm so fearful of Mini being hurt and her getting an abscess. By the way I saw Marsh yesterday and he's doing really well :thumb:

I think that's all understandable :)

Glad to hear Marsh is doing well :)

Take care of yourself too - it's draining bonding and i've only had to do it once and it was an easy one! :shock:

Elena
27-11-2012, 06:11 PM
I've been asleep much of the afternoon as I have a horrendous migraine which is affecting my vision. Things have been quiet on the whole apart from the odd bit of chasing.

Snow-White
27-11-2012, 06:24 PM
i myself would shrink the space again and just keep spraying outside and inside the bunny room with Vinegar, i will send you some of my luck for your bond xxxx

Elena
27-11-2012, 06:40 PM
I can't do anything right now. I shouldn't be on my phone either :oops: they'll have to sort themselves out this evening I'm afraid!

Snow-White
27-11-2012, 06:54 PM
I can't do anything right now. I shouldn't be on my phone either :oops: they'll have to sort themselves out this evening I'm afraid!

dont worry too much, sometimes thats the best thing :)
xxx

Elena
27-11-2012, 10:09 PM
I can see! Woohoo. Been watching them for about ten minutes and they've been sharing the box again. Nutmeg's gone back to jumping out every now and then if Mini gets too close. They're getting spoilt right now with loads of timothy hay cos I have no other hay to give them as I haven't been able to get some fresh in.

Snow-White
28-11-2012, 08:58 AM
it may sound odd, but try mushing banana on there faces to enourage them to groom one another some more, its strengthened our lot up, as it seemed Oliver was worried about the others approaching him after they all chased him. But i buttered him with nanar and they all groomed him and then carried on grooming him:lol:

Elena
28-11-2012, 10:14 AM
I might try that this afternoon. I haven't had much success with it in the past but it's worth a go!

Elena
28-11-2012, 11:31 PM
Nutmeg is starting to trust Mini again finally and visa versa.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x174/Elena-Schu/2012/54228A47-0C85-4463-ACC7-D34FD9A829A1-4896-00000AB5B73109CB.jpg

(Sorry the photo is awful, I was doing it blind and in the dark.)

I spoke with Dad today to see when he was thinking of getting the landing redecorated and he said March, so I'm thinking there's not much point getting them used to it and then having to do it again once it's been done. I'm just going to leave them in my room until its all been sorted. Get the bond strengthened. If I'd realised how soon he was planning that I wouldn't have bothered before. :oops:

Alibunmum
28-11-2012, 11:41 PM
YABBADABBADOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Glad it has all settled and you have plenty time to solidify the bond. Hope you can relax and enjoy them now!

Elena
28-11-2012, 11:51 PM
It's still not quite back to how it was but nearly there!

little-laura
29-11-2012, 01:12 AM
Glad it improving xxxxxx

GrahamL
29-11-2012, 08:58 AM
You've got 4 months to get that bond solidified, i think thats a great opportunity and with having the landing re-done, it'll hopefully be 100% neutral then and all bunny smells will be gone!

You're room isn't small, i've seen the photos, they have got space, love, care, food, and an owner who really understands their needs and how THEY are, not how YOU want them to be.

The bond was so worth it, i'm so so chuffed for you.

KarenM
29-11-2012, 12:56 PM
:love::love: I'm so pleased things seem to be improving. :D

Elena
29-11-2012, 01:13 PM
Thank you guys :D hopefully by that point Nutmeg and Mini will be close enough to flop wit h each other like M&S and N&S do. :love:

Elena
30-11-2012, 08:57 PM
Brief update...

I went out and spoilt them today :oops:

Bought a trio of natural balls, a jingley ball (which I can see might get confiscated at bed time!), a wooden block hanging thing and a Teach and Treat. They love the T&T and even though all three of them were vying to have a go there was no fighting or chasing at all which I was impressed with. :thumb:

I tried using a smaller box yesterday (managed to crack my last large box :roll: hence the shopping trip today) and they were ok but wouldn't all go in together so Nutmeg was weeing around the box even more than usual (and IN my bed, the monkey). Back to the big box today and they're happier.

I've also come up with a solution for pellet time. No matter how I put the pellets down we have chasing and Nutmeg doesn't get very many. She'll pick up a pellet, run off with it, then when she comes back Smudge will chase her away from the pellets again. This has always happened, even when they were in a pair. I used to handfeed Nutmeg as it was the only way Smudge wouldn't eat them all. So this morning I put about 80% of the pellets one side of the bed and the rest the other side, lets Nutmeg eat them in peace.

Elena
19-12-2012, 05:00 PM
*sigh*

Something happened around lunchtime when I was out. Dad said he heard scuffles but that there was just some fur by the litter tray and everyone seemed ok. Nutmeg's been quite quiet all day and even though I checked on her when I got home I just checked her again as her eye was slightly wet and noticed the fur round her mouth looked a little off. Had a better look and she has two small cuts in the form of a bite mark. Mini has obviously bitten her.

Given some metacam and phoned the vets and taking her down tomorrow morning. Seriously, do vets give out something like frequent flyer miles? It's been one thing after the other.

As for them behaviour wise now they seem ok, no more scuffles but Nutmeg is quiet. She'll eat but is sleeping quite a bit. What do I do? Reduce space again? Provide another tray?

I just want things to settle. It was going well and then we've had this run of little issues and now it's unsettled again.