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ADVICE NEEDED FOR ILL BUNNY...please.

sharkfur

Warren Scout
Hello, bun-buds.

I need some urgent advice from you guys, especially from those who have experience with this problem. So, after 2,5 years, the time has come to face our first healthcare-problem. First of all, let me summarize what sort of bun you need to imagine: He is a very cheeky, and sometimes picky little fellow. an average cross, not a mini, not a lionhead. The greatest concern for us has always been this one: He was never really into hay, although we tried different types, he always seems to nibble some, and that is that. He is a real banana-maniac, and a true fan of herbs - note: we always give him just a little bit of fruit, every now and then, we know more would not do him good. Throughout the years we learned what sort of fruit and vegs make his feces a bit too watery, for example: the slightest taste of apple makes his poo very wet. Anyway: He was always too much into pellets, and we had to cut back on the portion, and we even changed to a better-quality, excel-food, suggested by the vet (Sad thing: we never got him to even taste those, because he became sick the day we bought it :( ). So... here is what happened:
Thursday: General checkup at the Vet (Twickenham, suggested by some of you guys :) ), he was said to be more than healthy, happy as can be, only one little prob: a bit chubby, so he needs to lose some weight. The next time we went to the shop, we bought him the Excel Food (Saturday), but he never tasted it, because he became sick. We were utterly shocked, we never seen him like this. He noticed he did not eat his daily portion, did not drink at all, never even nibbled from the fresh basil. He was just lying there, just like when he is tired or having a nap, and before we went to bed, we wanted to take him downstairs for some jumping around, because he really likes that, and has a better sleep after that, too. But as we entered the room, he never stood up, he did not even move a muscle. This was really strange, because he is always jumping around when we go to him, shaking his cage for some petting, and always showering us with kisses. These things did not happen. :( And it was clear, something was wrong with him. We took him out of his cage to gently see what was wrong. He immediately went straight back in his cage, and lied down again. This was really shocking again, because he never wants to go back, and he always keeps on jumping around us and stuff. He was clearly sick. We tried to take him out again, to see this time what the problem was. He started shivering a bit, and when we touched his belly, he grounded his teeth. Ok, I knew it was time to hit the road and make a run for the emergency, I know bloating, clogging, stasis or anything like that might have happened, and it is never a joke for buns. The vet at the emergency (not at Twickenham, because they do not have 24-hour emergency), said that he is quite bloated his guts are filled with gas (not critically, but full enough to cause immeasurable problems). So he got around 4 injections (pain relief, and stuff...) And he also got LOTS of medication. We were told that sometimes we need to give gentle rubs or massages to his belly, and that the most important thing is now to make him eat on his own..but until that, we need to syringe-feed him... We need to put the medication in the herbivore-food-supplement thing, a powder than needs to be mixed with water (OXBOW - Critical Care - fine grind). It is really hard, because the vet said we need to give him around 10 spoons mixed with water every day (with the medications used twice a day), and it is a LOT..it must be frustrating for him, and it is hard for us, too to make him eat all that :( We got the supplement thingy Saturday, around 3 am, and we are running out of it. We also got a pain relief medicine (20 drops daily) which we had to start from Sunday. Eversince Saturday, he started pooing a bit...not too much, and not the normal-shaped poo drops. They are like small, very small raisins or raindrops... Yesterday and today he started pooing soft, grape/-like poo, too (I am sure you are familiar with that, he did that sometimes when he was healthy, too). We keep reminding ourselves to what the vet said: THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO DO IS TO MAKE HIM EAT ON HIS OWN, to make the guts moving. properly again. From yesterday, he eats some carrots, the leaves of the carrots, as well as the fresh basil. He even had a small portion of banana. But he still does not eat :( He does not care about the the new Excel food, does not care about the old pellets he used to adore, and he only nibbled a pinch from the hay since yesterday. We are trying to be positive, at least he is moving around when we take him out of his cage, sniffing, being a bit curious..and eating the carrots, leaves and basil on his own. We need to be positive :( we just have to. We cannot lose our boy. He is young, and we cannot give up. Yesterday I ordered a sample pack of 3 different hays that should arrive today, I want to make sure I did everything in my might to help him out with this... He might want to eat some of the new tasty hays...
So...guys with the same experience as this one... what do you suggest? How can we encourage him to eat? any tricks? Any specifically useful things to nibble? I am not sure about the carrots, but I keep thinking, at least he is eating something... What about the basil and the leaves of the carrots? Do you think they are useful for him?
Thank you so much in advance for replying guys...I really need every possible solution right now :(
 
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When doughnut was ill the last thing she went back to were pellets so don't worry he's not eating them.

Fresh herbs are always a good start to get them eating. Dill, thyme, coriander. Anything to tempt them. I also give doughnut rose petals which she loves so maybe you could give a few of them as she would never turn them away. Yell ow and pink are her favourites.

Leaves are also good, bramble leaves or rose leaves, they are high in fibre and good for the digrestion. Also dandelions are a good food to start them eating or grass if he is used to that.

I read someone say to sort of tickle their mouth with herbs (sort of smack them on the cheek a bit, not hard), they get annoyed and eat it!

Sorry if I don't make any sense as I've only just skimmed your text.
 
I also give Doughnut dill as she had an episode of gas and this helps dispense the bubbles. Infracol is also good and hard for the rabbit to overdose on it. A rabbit specialist recommended this for her gas as well. I gave her it twice a day for a few days.

Carrot tops are good and basil. I would cut the carrot out and banana a bit once he's eating properly or just cut back, but at the moment it's better he's eating!
 
When doughnut was ill the last thing she went back to were pellets so don't worry he's not eating them.

Fresh herbs are always a good start to get them eating. Dill, thyme, coriander. Anything to tempt them. I also give doughnut rose petals which she loves so maybe you could give a few of them as she would never turn them away. Yell ow and pink are her favourites.

Leaves are also good, bramble leaves or rose leaves, they are high in fibre and good for the digrestion. Also dandelions are a good food to start them eating or grass if he is used to that.

I read someone say to sort of tickle their mouth with herbs (sort of smack them on the cheek a bit, not hard), they get annoyed and eat it!

Sorry if I don't make any sense as I've only just skimmed your text.

Thank you very much. So I cannot go wrong with giving him more than just a bit of herbs and things ? I would just want to make sure he gets his digestion on the go again..
Rose petals...hmm... I might just have some of those...dandelions are no longer available out here, I think...but the rest is doable :) Oh, about rose petals: every sort of rose petal is good for them, right? so none of them are harmful for them, I mean...

I am so thankful for the tips :)
 
It is very scary when they go into gut statis and stop eating but getting him eating again is important. Did the vet give you any pain relief for him? its called metacam? As cpayne pointed out I would collect some dandilion leaves and bramble leaves for him and give him herbs...rabbits tend to go off pellets when they are not feeling well. One of my rabbits has had bloating/wind and I think it must be so painful for them they dont want to eat and then they go into gut statis and its a downward spiral from there. What else does your rabbit eat? Maybe if you post his daily food we can help advise what to cut out/change etc to try to avoid it happening again.
 
All rose petals are fine as long as you know there are no pesticides. Doughnut absolutely loves them, more than her pellets which she begs for! I give her the leaves too as they are good but bramble leaves are very good too.

The sample packs of hay will be good, so he can have a variation and hopefully be tempted. What about grating a bit of carrot in the hay, so he smells that and eats a bit of hay too!

Have you got fibreplex as Doughnut loved that, used to lick it off the syringe.

I used to give her her meds on a tiny bit of weetabix as couldn't syringe feed her, too stressful for both of us. Maybe hide some of the meds in the bit of banana if he's eating that, that way it's less picking up for him and less stress.

I think Doughnuts poops didn't totally return to normal for a while due to all the medicine inside her. She had exactly the same thing, four injections and lots of medicine.
 
It is very scary when they go into gut statis and stop eating but getting him eating again is important. Did the vet give you any pain relief for him? its called metacam? As cpayne pointed out I would collect some dandilion leaves and bramble leaves for him and give him herbs...rabbits tend to go off pellets when they are not feeling well. One of my rabbits has had bloating/wind and I think it must be so painful for them they dont want to eat and then they go into gut statis and its a downward spiral from there. What else does your rabbit eat? Maybe if you post his daily food we can help advise what to cut out/change etc to try to avoid it happening again.

That's a good idea. I changed Doughnut's diet once it happened. She used to have 2 egg cups of science selective pellets and hay, now she has 1 egg cup and try to let her out on the grass, she has dandelions, bramble leaves, rose leaves/petals, dill. I try to give her a more natural diet as never want to go through that again. She was only 7 months, now she's over a year. I found the excel pellets gave her a mucky bum and ss is 25% fibre.
 
It is very scary when they go into gut statis and stop eating but getting him eating again is important. Did the vet give you any pain relief for him? its called metacam? As cpayne pointed out I would collect some dandilion leaves and bramble leaves for him and give him herbs...rabbits tend to go off pellets when they are not feeling well. One of my rabbits has had bloating/wind and I think it must be so painful for them they dont want to eat and then they go into gut statis and its a downward spiral from there. What else does your rabbit eat? Maybe if you post his daily food we can help advise what to cut out/change etc to try to avoid it happening again.

Indeed, Metacam it is.. 20 drops daily :) I think we are quite lucky, because he doesn't seem to be in pain anymore, he's moving around, not just lying there...and he is a bit curious of things, too..so I take it as a good sign...

Well, the daily food is hard to describe, because we were just in the middle of changing his diet..partly. So, he used to get a small handful of pellets every day, constantly having hay in front of him... and every day he got some vegs and herb...carrot leaves, thyme, basil...all fresh. every second or third day he gets a really-really small amount of banana or strawberry, like, half of a strawberry, or the same size banana. Every week we either give him a popcorn-stick to nibble on (for buns), or a vitakraft herb stick-thingy.... Other than that, he sometimes nibbles the grass or some dandelion when he's outside, and he has some sticks to play with (proper bunny-approved sticks, not just random wood :) ) so..that's all. oh...every now and then we put some fibreplex in tha banana, just to be safe :p
 
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All rose petals are fine as long as you know there are no pesticides. Doughnut absolutely loves them, more than her pellets which she begs for! I give her the leaves too as they are good but bramble leaves are very good too.

The sample packs of hay will be good, so he can have a variation and hopefully be tempted. What about grating a bit of carrot in the hay, so he smells that and eats a bit of hay too!

Have you got fibreplex as Doughnut loved that, used to lick it off the syringe.

I used to give her her meds on a tiny bit of weetabix as couldn't syringe feed her, too stressful for both of us. Maybe hide some of the meds in the bit of banana if he's eating that, that way it's less picking up for him and less stress.

I think Doughnuts poops didn't totally return to normal for a while due to all the medicine inside her. She had exactly the same thing, four injections and lots of medicine.

Yup, we have fibreplex..wasn't sure about it tohugh..I mean we use it regularly, but I wasn't sure to give him any while on medication... So I can, then :)
Oh, I can't hide the mix in banana or anything like that, because it is just far too much of a portion :p But I would, really :D
oh my...excell pellets gave Doughnut a mucky bum? hmm..I hope it won't happen to us, as the vet suggested it :p
 
Could you cut a bit of fresh grass for him to see if he eats that?

Yes Doughnut made a good turnaround but it is so frightening how easy you can lose them.

I would cut the veg out but that is my personal opinion. Some veg are gassy. Some people on here would always opt for veg but I would always opt for forage and a few herbs as they are more gentle on the stomach.
 
Did you tell the vet that you take your rabbit out into the park? Could he possibly have eaten something toxic there?
 
Could you cut a bit of fresh grass for him to see if he eats that?

Yes Doughnut made a good turnaround but it is so frightening how easy you can lose them.

I would cut the veg out but that is my personal opinion. Some veg are gassy. Some people on here would always opt for veg but I would always opt for forage and a few herbs as they are more gentle on the stomach.

OH, I gave him some rose petals and rose leaves, and he eats them :D Ok, there is still some left, but I can't expect him to have the same, healthy appetite immediately :D
Hmm... Ok, I'll stick to the herbs, hay and petals, leaves...and leave out the vegs...I really don't know how gassy the carrot is...I don't give him much, being sugary and all...but still...carrot leaves will have to do now :)

I was wondering: in about how many days should he make a full recovery? how was it with you?
 
I would definately avoid the popcorn stick thingies they are crammed with sugar and maybe upsetting his gut flora. Also keep the veg right down only in small amount and like cpayne says try to collect more forage.
 
Did you tell the vet that you take your rabbit out into the park? Could he possibly have eaten something toxic there?

Yup, told her, but she says it is very unlikely... I mean he always nibbles from the grass that is good for buns (and as I said before, it is a private park, no one goes there, no dogs, nobody, and there is no pesticide around),.... and: We haven't been to the park for 2 weeks now, due to a) **** weather, and b) owner of the park was away.
 
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I would definately avoid the popcorn stick thingies they are crammed with sugar and maybe upsetting his gut flora. Also keep the veg right down only in small amount and like cpayne says try to collect more forage.

Oh, I figured it is good stuff, because it's just dry, not that sugar-coated stuff you often see... but yeah, let's drop those, it is not a 'must' anyway...he will do fine without it. Yeah, I am very cautious with the portions of the veg and fruit, too.
Yeah, trying to present him various forage, thank you for the help, guys, really helps a lot. My boy is really thankful, too... I mean, I think he would be if he knew :)
 
Doughnut also loves apple twigs, the real ones cut from a tree. They are good for teeth and high in fibre.

Pleased he liked the rose petals!
 
I have been in your situation four or five times with one of my rabbits and now after cutting her pellets right down, minimum veg...more to keep her happy, I could cut veg out altogether really but she loves it so much, loads of wild forage and making sure she always has hay off the floor in a hayrack it seems to have done the trick....*touch wood*
 
I have been in your situation four or five times with one of my rabbits and now after cutting her pellets right down, minimum veg...more to keep her happy, I could cut veg out altogether really but she loves it so much, loads of wild forage and making sure she always has hay off the floor in a hayrack it seems to have done the trick....*touch wood*

oh my...five times...poor bun :( But let us hope there will not be a sixth. I think mine would be ok if I cut all the vegs, but kept all the herbs.. I think he likes them more anyway :p
 
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