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Emmyloo
02-09-2012, 01:04 PM
Hi I am new to this so hoping its ok to post. We purchased a French lop from a lady last weekend she was not a breeder but we saw rabbits with mum and dad and there pens looked very clean etc and at time of purchase the baby girl we picked seemed healthy. We brought her home and fell in love with her instantly. She has a massive home and run as we had put a lot of thought into it before we purchased and had converted our out building into a massive home for her and made an outdoor pen that joined onto this. In addition to this she hoped around our house and had cuddles on the sofa but on wednesday her eyes looked a little puffy(no weeping she just seemed a little squinty) So I brought her in so I could keep an eye on her, on thursday her eyes still looked puffy but she seemed fine in herself was still eating and drinking and hoping about (she had a vets appointment for her Myxi jab on Friday anyway) so took her to the vets on Friday where the vet took one look at her and said she had Myxi although her eyes still didnt seem to be weeping and her genitals were not swollen(the most commen signs according to the vet). He said rabbits with Myxi dont usually survive in truth about 2% do and he thought best option would be to put her to sleep but we could try nursing her and giving her antibiotics. I know this probably seems silly but because I loved our little bunny so very much I convinced myself that 2% was better than no chance and decided to try nursing her(although we have only had her a few days she has quickly become part of our family and we all love her very much) I left the vets wth Antibiotics and eye drops and so much determination that my little girl was going to survive. The vets said if she deterioted we are to take her back and have her put to sleep so that she does not suffer. Unfortunately I think I have made the wrong decision she hasnt got any worse but she is not getting any better either despite our nursing and love and the meds. She is still eating and drinking and bouncing about but her eyes are virtually shut now and she looks very sorry for herself. I would really like some advice from some experienced bunny owners as this has broken our whole families heart my children are devasted even hubby is very teary about it all. Do you think the best option would be to take her to the vets tommorow and have her put to sleep as I am worried i am prolonging her suffering. In just a few days she has become such a big part of our family its really is heartbreaking

BattleKat
02-09-2012, 01:18 PM
I hate to tell you but your vet is right, the kindest option is generally to put to sleep if an unvaccinated rabbit contracts myxo. It's a very unpleasant death if left to take it's course :(

I know it's heartbreaking to lose a member of the family but if still wanted to have a rabbit I'm sure you could find a lovely pair in rescue who are already vaccinated, neutered and bonded.

yvette
02-09-2012, 01:19 PM
Have you eyedrops and lots of pain meds and stuff to keep her eating??

Im ever so sorry.If shes not vacced she may well not make it...its quite common.
I dont know if mum was vacced and could pass on any immunity..possible not.
Vibes and keep us in the know.Id be interested to know about mum and siblings too.

blue_vix
02-09-2012, 01:26 PM
If your rabbit was vaccinated she should have a good chance at survival if not the situation is worse.
I'm very surprised you didn't mention if your vet gave you recovery food to syringe feed and fluids. Is she eating and drinking? if not you will need to try and syringe feed water and recovery food (or I have used pellets soaked in water and mushed up before. Sub cut fluids may also be nessecary. Did the vet give her any pain relief such as matacalm or loxicalm (essentially the same thing)
If not I would be maybe trying to find a rabbit savvy vet ASAP. She definately needs pain relief and rabbits are very good at hiding if they are in pain.

As for if to PTS, having never nursed a bunny with this illness I'm not sure what to say. I think you will know if she is suffering.

The other thing you need to do is make sure there are no fleas in your home as this is how the virus is passed. Maybe she brought a few with her or you have a cat that's brought a couple in.

Sending get well vibes for the little baby xxx

willowflower27
02-09-2012, 01:28 PM
I am afraid to say your vet is correct its hard to hear as she is so young and you obviously love her but a little bunny with no immunity is unlikely to be in the 2 % they 2% tend to be bunnies who have been vaccinated then over due there boosters by a few years.
It's a very painful death so if you did decide to continue you will need quite high doses of painkillers.
I am so sorry

Santa
02-09-2012, 01:28 PM
Oh gosh how absolutely heartbreaking for you all :(

I have to say I agree that pts would probably be the kindest option. Occasionally a rabbit can be nursed through (usually if they have previously had a vaccination which is a little out of date) but it is incredibly intensive over 2-4 months not a couple of weeks, and I have known people fight for about 6 weeks or so before eventually thinking that they have turned a corner only for the bun to suddenly crash and need to be pts after all that time. Sadly the outcome is almost inevitable, so if it is definitely myxi and the little one already has eyes shut and is sorry for herself at this stage, I would opt to end the suffering and let her go sooner rather than later. Devastating I know, and very tragic, and it may take a while for you to feel ready to have bunnies again - although if you do, perhaps see if there is a rescue near you where the bunnies are already vaccinated and neutered before you fall in love and take them home, so at least you wouldn't have the worry of this heartbreak happening again.

Big hugs to you all, it's an awful thing to have happened so soon and your whole family must be devastated. Big hugs x x

nessar
02-09-2012, 01:49 PM
I'm so sorry to hear this :(

I'm afraid I agree with others that have posted, pts will be a kinder option I think. The risk of survival is so low if the rabbit isnt vaccinated, and those that do survive often have to be nursed and even force-fed for weeks or months, on a large amount of painkillers and medication. Putting her to sleep will be your final act of love for this little one.

Have you told the breeder? She/he may well have an outbreak, but even if not s/he should quarentine his/her rabbits, so s/he would probably be grateful if you told them. If you do decide to get another rabbit, once you feel ready, it might be best to avoid this breeder, as bucks should not be kept with litters or the mothers as it causes back-to-back litters.

This must be really upsetting, you've obviously got a big heart. I hope you're okay.

Mirth
02-09-2012, 01:55 PM
So horrible for you and your bun :( I'm so sorry.

I agree with pts, especially when she gets worse. http://exoticpets.about.com/od/rabbitshealth/p/myxomatosis.htm It's such a horrible slow disease. :'(

RedFraggle
02-09-2012, 01:56 PM
How awful for you all. The incubation period for myxi is typically about 5 days so it is highly likely your poor bunny already had it when you got her she just wasn't showing symptoms then so I honestly don't think there is anything you could have done to prevent this.
If it is definately myxi then I think the kindest thing would be tp have your little one pts. If you haven't already you should also notifiy the people you bought her from that this has happened.

I hope this terrible experience hasn't put you off having rabbits.

Emmyloo
02-09-2012, 02:14 PM
If your rabbit was vaccinated she should have a good chance at survival if not the situation is worse.
I'm very surprised you didn't mention if your vet gave you recovery food to syringe feed and fluids. Is she eating and drinking? if not you will need to try and syringe feed water and recovery food (or I have used pellets soaked in water and mushed up before. Sub cut fluids may also be nessecary. Did the vet give her any pain relief such as matacalm or loxicalm (essentially the same thing)
If not I would be maybe trying to find a rabbit savvy vet ASAP. She definately needs pain relief and rabbits are very good at hiding if they are in pain.

As for if to PTS, having never nursed a bunny with this illness I'm not sure what to say. I think you will know if she is suffering.

The other thing you need to do is make sure there are no fleas in your home as this is how the virus is passed. Maybe she brought a few with her or you have a cat that's brought a couple in.

Sending get well vibes for the little baby xxx


Thank you for your kind words. The vet gave me fucthalmic eye drops and meloxicam antibiotics to give with a syringe. No recovery food to be fed with a syringe as she is still eating and drinking her usual food and water. x x

Emmyloo
02-09-2012, 02:19 PM
Thank you all for your kind words. I think you have just confirmed what I was already thinking just wanted to be sure as its an awful decision to have to make. I have not informed the people I got her from at the moment but was already planning on giving them a call to inform them So will also do that asap. Thank you all once again.

parsnipbun
02-09-2012, 02:58 PM
Before you do go ahead with PTS I would try and confirm with the people who you got her from whether the mother was vaccinated - if she was then the little one will have some immunity and if it was me, and she continued to only have the shut eyes as a symptom, i would not yet PTS.

IF she continues to only have shut eyes and NO nodules elsewhere (swellings on nose, head, ears, etc), no swollen genitals, and none of the other signs - then tbh I might query the diagnosis.

Can you post an image of the eyes? Are they red and swollen and do they have sort of nodules on the eyelids at all?

bunny babe
02-09-2012, 03:03 PM
Before you do go ahead with PTS I would try and confirm with the people who you got her from whether the mother was vaccinated - if she was then the little one will have some immunity and if it was me, and she continued to only have the shut eyes as a symptom, i would not yet PTS.

IF she continues to only have shut eyes and NO nodules elsewhere (swellings on nose, head, ears, etc), no swollen genitals, and none of the other signs - then tbh I might query the diagnosis.

Can you post an image of the eyes? Are they red and swollen and do they have sort of nodules on the eyelids at all?

^^^ This. I don't have any experience of myxi (thankfully) but I would want to make sure that the diagnosis was 100% myxi before considering PTS.

There are plenty of people on here who have bunny savvy vets so may be worth asking if anyone can recommend one in your area in case you need a second opinion (start a new thread in rabbit chat and the area you are in). As you are new to keeping bunnies, it is worth knowing that there are quite a lot of vets who are not bunny savvy but they may appear to know what they are talking about to people new to bunnies.

Fingers crossed for your little one.

Emmyloo
02-09-2012, 09:54 PM
Before you do go ahead with PTS I would try and confirm with the people who you got her from whether the mother was vaccinated - if she was then the little one will have some immunity and if it was me, and she continued to only have the shut eyes as a symptom, i would not yet PTS.

IF she continues to only have shut eyes and NO nodules elsewhere (swellings on nose, head, ears, etc), no swollen genitals, and none of the other signs - then tbh I might query the diagnosis.

Can you post an image of the eyes? Are they red and swollen and do they have sort of nodules on the eyelids at all?

Hi I will take a picture and post on here I have just got to try and figure out how to post a pic on this thread. thank you though x

bunny babe
02-09-2012, 10:15 PM
If you upload it onto something like photobucket and then paste the link for the image into your message, that should work.

Emmyloo
02-09-2012, 10:34 PM
Before you do go ahead with PTS I would try and confirm with the people who you got her from whether the mother was vaccinated - if she was then the little one will have some immunity and if it was me, and she continued to only have the shut eyes as a symptom, i would not yet PTS.

IF she continues to only have shut eyes and NO nodules elsewhere (swellings on nose, head, ears, etc), no swollen genitals, and none of the other signs - then tbh I might query the diagnosis.

Can you post an image of the eyes? Are they red and swollen and do they have sort of nodules on the eyelids at all?


Hi I have now taken pics but can not figure out how to upload them on here. They are red and swollen so much so that they are fully closed. But not at anytime have they seemed weepy or seemed as if there was any discharge. Im not sure about nodules its hard to tell nothing there thats obvious. I think her nose does look a little puffy but no swelling in the rest of her face face. She is still eating and drinking on her own and is still hoping about quite a lot she does not seem lifeless in fact is still hoping around our front room at the moment. Genitals are not swollen or weepy. But in the last couple of hours she has started to sound a little snuffly and is sneezing. If you know how I can upload a pic then let me know and ill upload or alternatively if there is an email address I can mail them too happy to do that too. Many thanks I really am touched at how helpful eberyone on here has been. Emma xx

parsnipbun
02-09-2012, 10:44 PM
Hi I have now taken pics but can not figure out how to upload them on here. They are red and swollen so much so that they are fully closed. But not at anytime have they seemed weepy or seemed as if there was any discharge. Im not sure about nodules its hard to tell nothing there thats obvious. I think her nose does look a little puffy but no swelling in the rest of her face face. She is still eating and drinking on her own and is still hoping about quite a lot she does not seem lifeless in fact is still hoping around our front room at the moment. Genitals are not swollen or weepy. But in the last couple of hours she has started to sound a little snuffly and is sneezing. If you know how I can upload a pic then let me know and ill upload or alternatively if there is an email address I can mail them too happy to do that too. Many thanks I really am touched at how helpful eberyone on here has been. Emma xx

The nose and the snuffly bit dont sound great tbh . . tonight may be the decider . . I have had 3 buns with myxi of whom the first survived, the second survived but only lived a year after and died of prob. reated renal failure, and the third died. All had had the vaccine - but the first one had had it a year previous (that was back when that was what was recommended).

There are however people on here who have had non vaccinated buns survive - and I do wonder if little ones might survive especially if maother was vaccinated.

you can email me on twigs.way@ntlworld.com but it will be tomorrow before I pick up now.

Tatihou
02-09-2012, 11:47 PM
A friend of mine nursed an unvaccinated bun through myxie last year. It took about a month but she got through it. However, she was an adult rabbit - about 2 years old, I think. She had never been vaccinated so had to fight it from scratch, as it were.

Whether it was kind or the right thing to do to put the rabbit through that illness I cannot say...

Good luck with your little one.

parsnipbun
03-09-2012, 07:49 AM
I have answered (after seeing the photos) direct on email.

As I said - many people will have examples of different cases and different outcomes - and also some will have strong opinions on whether to nurse or not. In the end it is up to you, a GOOD rabbit vet, and of course it depends absolutely and centrally on whether or not the bun is sufferring.

Rhianna
03-09-2012, 10:35 AM
Many years ago all five of my buns caught myxi and were unvaccinated. They all survived and I still have one now - Molly. I was very ignorant at the time about how awful myxi was and didn't even consider PTS - I just assumed they would pull through. They all wanted to fight and were still eating and reasonably lively. I did spend an awful lot of time at the vet - virtually daily with one or the other of them.

I don't regret not having them PTS as they all recovered and enjoyed the rest of their lives. Molly is getting on in years now and has slowed down but is still a happy nomming bunster who will come out of her hutch and explore if the weather isn't too bad - she likes her comfort does my Molly:)

Good luck with your little one. Sending lots and lots of vibes xxxx

Emmyloo
03-09-2012, 01:43 PM
Thanks to Everyone again for your kind advice and sharing your stories. Thanks Parsnip bun for taking a look at photos for me. I have been back to the vet this morning and he agrees that she has not deteriorated and that her genitals have not swollen still. She is also still eating and drinking on her own. So has given me some more of the meloxicam andtold me to continue to use the eye drops. However he has not given me any baytril and when I mentioned this he just said it does the same thing as the meloxicam after research I do not believe this is the case the meloxicam is metacam which is basically an anti inflamitary. So Im now wondering if my vet is not very bunny savvy and concerned without antibiotics she will not get any better and if I should now see another vet.

lucy24
03-09-2012, 01:45 PM
where abouts are you? someone on here might know a rabbit savvy vet near you :wave:

Emmyloo
03-09-2012, 01:53 PM
where abouts are you? someone on here might know a rabbit savvy vet near you :wave:

I am in Southend-on-Sea Essex x

lucy24
03-09-2012, 02:09 PM
ok well there is this one
http://www.southbeechvet.co.uk/index.html apparently their vets are good with small furies but i havent been their myself. according to the site one of the nurses, carrie, has rabbits

http://www.wylievets.com/wyliehtml/teamplayers.html#


hopefully others can advise too:wave:

KarenM
03-09-2012, 02:16 PM
I'm so sorry to hear about your bunny. :( I don't have any experience so I can't comment on the meds & whether they're appropriate.

I'm in Essex but near Lakeside, Thurrock so I can't recommend any vets that close to you - it might be worth starting a new thread called "Rabbit savvy vet needed in Southend" as some people from the are might see it.

It might be a little far, especially for a poorly rabbit, but William Lewis at Wylie Vets in Upminster is a very good exotics vet. South Beech in Wickford is perhaps a little closer for you though & also has a couple of exotics vets.

ETA: Lucy beat me to it!

parsnipbun
03-09-2012, 03:07 PM
Thanks to Everyone again for your kind advice and sharing your stories. Thanks Parsnip bun for taking a look at photos for me. I have been back to the vet this morning and he agrees that she has not deteriorated and that her genitals have not swollen still. She is also still eating and drinking on her own. So has given me some more of the meloxicam andtold me to continue to use the eye drops. However he has not given me any baytril and when I mentioned this he just said it does the same thing as the meloxicam after research I do not believe this is the case the meloxicam is metacam which is basically an anti inflamitary. So Im now wondering if my vet is not very bunny savvy and concerned without antibiotics she will not get any better and if I should now see another vet.

They are indeed VERY different things - meloxicam is a non steroidal anti inflammatory, which will help with swellings and pain, baytril is an anti-biotic that would help stave off secondary infections (though will not do anything against the actual myxo as it is a virus).

I would strongly suggest a different vet. This will help with confirming diagnosis as well as treatments.

What dosage meloxicam have you got (and how much does bun weigh?).

Boudicca
03-09-2012, 03:58 PM
So sorry to hear about your bunny :( I agree with the others the best rabbit vet in the Essex area is William Lewis at Wylies Vets they have 2 branches, one at Upminster and one in Hornchurch. I think he spends 4 days at Hornchurch, but has also trained up another vet at Upminster!

louise and Gus
03-09-2012, 03:59 PM
It is a way to come but William Lewis at Wylie vets is upmister is excellent, definitely worth a second opinion I'd say. He is my vet and I'd trust him 100%

SarahP
03-09-2012, 07:12 PM
I don't think anyone on here has used South Beech at Wickford since they had a complete change of vets. They might be worth a go if they are a more reasonable distance for you though.

bunny babe
03-09-2012, 07:28 PM
I hope she will be OK, sending her recovery vibes x

Emmyloo
03-09-2012, 10:38 PM
They are indeed VERY different things - meloxicam is a non steroidal anti inflammatory, which will help with swellings and pain, baytril is an anti-biotic that would help stave off secondary infections (though will not do anything against the actual myxo as it is a virus).

I would strongly suggest a different vet. This will help with confirming diagnosis as well as treatments.

What dosage meloxicam have you got (and how much does bun weigh?).

Meloxicam is 0.05
The vet has not weighed her at all and I could only guess at it. I would say she is prob about 3-4 pounds. She is a french lop and 9 weeks old. I am going to try a different vet as I am not feeling very confident with this one. Unfortunately hornchurch and upminster are about an hours drive from me. So feel its too far to take her especially as hubby is at work all this week and he is the one who drives so I would have to do it on train and just think the journey even in a car would be stressful for her for that amount of time. I will keep you all posted and thank you all once again for your messages of support and your concern. x x

Pebblesetc
03-09-2012, 10:49 PM
Meloxicam is 0.05
The vet has not weighed her at all and I could only guess at it. I would say she is prob about 3-4 pounds. She is a french lop and 9 weeks old. I am going to try a different vet as I am not feeling very confident with this one. Unfortunately hornchurch and upminster are about an hours drive from me. So feel its too far to take her especially as hubby is at work all this week and he is the one who drives so I would have to do it on train and just think the journey even in a car would be stressful for her for that amount of time. I will keep you all posted and thank you all once again for your messages of support and your concern. x x

He didn't weigh her before working out the dose of the medication? :shock: I'd definitely try and get her to a different vet.

I have no experience of myxi but I wish you and your bunny all the best and have my fingers crossed for her x

nessar
03-09-2012, 10:56 PM
He didn't weigh her before working out the dose of the medication? :shock: I'd definitely try and get her to a different vet.

I have no experience of myxi but I wish you and your bunny all the best and have my fingers crossed for her x

My thoughts exactly! You cant work out the dosage for medication without knowing the weight of the animal!

yvette
03-09-2012, 11:07 PM
Whereabouts are you?? Perhaps others in your area can recommend someone.....Really praying for this baby.xx

Have you informed the breeder?? Any new on the babies and mum??

bunny babe
05-09-2012, 07:34 AM
How is she and did you manage to find a vet for a second opinion?

KarenM
05-09-2012, 08:22 AM
I hope bunny is doing ok.

Is it possible that the vet took her out the back to weigh her? Medicine dosages vary by weight and even vets that aren't very rabbit savvy should be aware of that so it might be worth double checking with them first and, if in doubt, look into another vet in the area.

I agree that the travel to Wylie might be too far under the circumstances; I don't know if William would be willing to speak to your vet over the phone and give some advice though - it would be worth enquiring.