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Baildon bears
04-08-2012, 02:40 PM
After having a rough start with my rabbits i got from a local breeder in west yorkshire who breeds Mini and Micro lops, the vet has told me they are having repeated problems with rabbits from the same breeder :( I don't want to name names on the forum but just wondered if anyone else has had any problems with rabbits from this breeder?

sally1974
04-08-2012, 02:42 PM
Not sure you will find many people who go to breeders on here (well who own up to it anyway) it sounds as though she is a backstreet breeder in it for nothing more than the money. Out of curiosity what is a micro lop?

loppy ears
04-08-2012, 02:48 PM
Not sure you will find many people who go to breeders on here (well who own up to it anyway) it sounds as though she is a backstreet breeder in it for nothing more than the money. Out of curiosity what is a micro lop?

I wonder if it is the same as a 'tea cup' (a runt)?

Baildon bears
04-08-2012, 03:05 PM
I think it's just smaller than a mini lop, did not see any when we went to get are mini lops, this may be a silly question but if you don't get your rabbits from breeder or p@h were do you get them from or do you get them from a rescue centre, was I was wrong in thinking that getting a rabbit from a breeder was the best thing? why whould you not get from a breeder, sorry if my question seen silly to everyone just really new to all this :oops:

sammi_83
04-08-2012, 03:09 PM
This is a pro-rescue forum, meaning pretty much everyone gets their rabbits from rescues/from people dumping their animals on gumtree etc.
There are already about 40,000 rabbits in rescues around the UK all desperate for homes. If breeders keep breeding then rabbits will never get adopted.
Many animals being bred are kept in horrible conditions and then are killed or given away when they are of 'no use' anymore :cry:
Breeders shouldn't keep breeding when there are already so many animals that need homes.

And a mini-lop is called that because of the size of it's ears....the 'mini' doesn't describe the size of the rabbit.
Or at least I think that's right, someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

JemimaH
04-08-2012, 03:12 PM
I think it's just smaller than a mini lop, did not see any when we went to get are mini lops, this may be a silly question but if you don't get your rabbits from breeder or p@h were do you get them from or do you get them from a rescue centre, was I was wrong in thinking that getting a rabbit from a breeder was the best thing? why whould you not get from a breeder, sorry if my question seen silly to everyone just really new to all this :oops:

Yeah, it is recommended to get rabbits from a rescue centre, although I got two of mine from a breeder and the other was rescued from a petshop, anymore will be coming from a rescue. There are thousands upon thousands of rabbits handed into rescues each year and instead of supporting the breeding trade, rabbit owners are reccomended to get buns from their local rescue. Most of the rabbits are often bonded into pairs/trios as well which is good seen as rabbits aren't naturally solitary animals, and they are often spayed/neutered and vaccinated.:wave:

Georgeypudding
04-08-2012, 03:13 PM
This is a pro-rescue forum, meaning pretty much everyone gets their rabbits from rescues/from people dumping their animals on gumtree etc.
There are already about 40,000 rabbits in rescues around the UK all desperate for homes. If breeders keep breeding then rabbits will never get adopted.
Many animals being bred are kept in horrible conditions and then are killed or given away when they are of 'no use' anymore :cry:
Breeders shouldn't keep breeding when there are already so many animals that need homes.

And a mini-lop is called that because of the size of it's ears....the 'mini' doesn't describe the size of the rabbit.
Or at least I think that's right, someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

Mini Lops are the smallest breed of rabbit. You're right that their ears are tiny but they tend to weight up to 1.5kg and other lop breeds are larger. They're a similar size to netherland dwarf rabbits :wave:

Baildon bears
04-08-2012, 03:17 PM
sorry for my ignorance, we got our cat from a rescue centre, so don't really know why I did not think to do the same when we got the rabbits:oops:. This whole process has been a massive learning curve, in the future I will get my rabbits from a rescue place.

Georgeypudding
04-08-2012, 03:29 PM
sorry for my ignorance, we got our cat from a rescue centre, so don't really know why I did not think to do the same when we got the rabbits:oops:. This whole process has been a massive learning curve, in the future I will get my rabbits from a rescue place.

I didnt either when I got my first bunny, its funny isnt it :lol:

loppy ears
04-08-2012, 03:58 PM
Mini lops ears are in proportion to their size, I don't think they are small :? The rabbits are bigger than nethies

Alison Marie
04-08-2012, 04:06 PM
It's a real shame they're breeding with no regard for the health of the rabbits :( my buns were from an accidental litter, although we normally use rescues for our animals.

Baildon bears
04-08-2012, 04:09 PM
Oviously my mini lops are mini at the moment as they are babies :D, but she did show me an adult and she was a fair sized rabbit so no I don't think they are that small lol.

DemiS
04-08-2012, 04:33 PM
I don't know the breeder but dwarf breeds (mini lops and netherland dwarfs) have enough problems as it is with their tiny size and squashed features, they're clearly idiots to try make the rabbits even smaller and these problems worse :roll: Please try contact your local council (maybe RSPCA too?) and get them to find out the number of problems the vet has experienced with these rabbits and review the breeder, hopefully they can do something about them, and stop owners and rabbits suffering :(

Baildon bears
04-08-2012, 04:40 PM
I will do, I have been running a local playgroup last year that has closed down and I have decided to donate the money left over from the playgroup about 200 to a rabbit rescue centre, I would like a local one in west yorkshire any suggestions?

nessar
04-08-2012, 04:59 PM
The reason a lot of people dont go to breeders is to avoid problems like you are having, with people just out to make money or people that dont care. Dont get me wrong there are some good breeders about, but they are hard to find. I think one of the reasons they are hard to find is that if you have the rabbit's best interests in mind then they are usually kept in pairs or groups (there are very few rabbits that you cant keep in pairs, and these ones you couldnt breed from anyway without being cruel), which you cannot do in a breeding setup, so a breeder that truly puts their rabbits' welfare first will not breed a lot, or retire their rabbits very quickly, and so naturally they wouldnt have any or many available.

There is no such thing as a micro lop, so no wonder you are having problems with this breeder. Mini lops are small rabbits, so if the parents you saw werent small then I'm afraid your mini lops dont have pure lines, they arent pure bred. I'm sure that doesnt matter to you anyway though, and it doesnt make them any less lovely rabbits.

DemiS
04-08-2012, 05:09 PM
I will do, I have been running a local playgroup last year that has closed down and I have decided to donate the money left over from the playgroup about 200 to a rabbit rescue centre, I would like a local one in west yorkshire any suggestions?

Aww that's brilliant :D There's Camp Nibble in Leeds, and I think one called Sue's rabbit rescue in Dewsbury but they're not very big rescues, maybe split it between a local one and a large one a bit further away? I believe Barnsley Animal Rescue and Care are quite big

Claire_r
04-08-2012, 05:11 PM
I've sent you a PM :wave: I think I have bunnies from the same one

raine
04-08-2012, 06:30 PM
I am sorry that you are having problems with your rabbits. I see that you are trying to arrange insurance and I hope that you can get that in place soon.

What problems are you currently having?

Baildon bears
04-08-2012, 06:41 PM
I am sorry that you are having problems with your rabbits. I see that you are trying to arrange insurance and I hope that you can get that in place soon.

What problems are you currently having?

Tummy problems, Sootie stopped eating and drinking on Monday and just sat there all day, as i've never had rabbits before I new something was not right but had no idea what, so took him to vets to find out it was Stasis, he has spend a week at vets which has cost me over 100, vets say this breeder is producing rabbits with simular problems and they think its because they are being taken away from mum to early:cry:., they were between 6-7 weeks old when we took them, I don't know if thats an ok age?

Aly&Poppy<3
04-08-2012, 06:44 PM
Tummy problems, Sootie stopped eating and drinking on Monday and just sat there all day, as i've never had rabbits before I new something was not right but had no idea what, so took him to vets to find out it was Stasis, he has spend a week at vets which has cost me over 100, vets say this breeder is producing rabbits with simular problems and they think its because they are being taken away from mum to early:cry:., they were between 6-7 weeks old when we took them, I don't know if thats an ok age?

It's 8 weeks I think :( how awful :( what a terrible breeder, creating life that will have problems then carrying on even though it is known to them :( Poppy was in an accidental litter and she has cost the most out of all rabbits this year, 150 in the last month, but that's how it is, they can be expensive animals. Such a shame your bunnies a having an awkward start to life because of their 'creator' :( good job looking after them though! xx

Baildon bears
04-08-2012, 06:58 PM
It's 8 weeks I think :( how awful :( what a terrible breeder, creating life that will have problems then carrying on even though it is known to them :( Poppy was in an accidental litter and she has cost the most out of all rabbits this year, 150 in the last month, but that's how it is, they can be expensive animals. Such a shame your bunnies a having an awkward start to life because of their 'creator' :( good job looking after them though! xx

Thankyou, Sootie is such a lovely rabbit, it's not his fault, he slept next to my bed the first night, I have been up through the night for the past week to check on him, I think hes starting to think he's a house rabbit :D, I did give him a little hop outside in his run today with permission from the vets, and he loves his tummy rubs:D. he is a very special little guy!

Mirth
04-08-2012, 08:03 PM
Keep an eye on their teeth and make sure they always have plenty of Timothy hay, dwarf and lop breeds can suffer a lot from malocclusion (teeth deformation) and if the vets said they've had problems with this breeder, then it's likely it's in the line and can be expensive.

becki_moorcroft
06-08-2012, 09:58 AM
6 weeks is far too young to rehome, most decent breeders wait untill at least 10 weeks (at least 2 weeks after they have been taken from mum)... but the fact they are breeding 'micro' lops is a red flag... they are basically a cross between a netherland dwarf and a mini lop (2 breeds that are commonly found with terrible genetics, resulting in very unhealthy rabbits) but they're smaller so they can sell them for more money (basically the equivelent of a designer dog)... there have been a couple of breeders of these crop up down south, but this is the first i've heard of up north :(

Claire_r
06-08-2012, 09:49 PM
She gave me marble a 7 weeks old, I didn't want to take her so young but I didn't want to leave her :( the hutches were dirty and horrible and smelly when I went :( but I couldn't leave marble in there any longer. Wish we could take them all away from tha place but unfortunately we can't :(

becki_moorcroft
09-08-2012, 08:01 AM
is she a BRC member? they can't legally do a lot but you can complain to them and they can revoke membership and then pass on to the RSPCA for investigation

LittleEskimo
09-08-2012, 10:29 AM
We had the same problem with our dog. We went to a breeder for a cocker spaniel. She lived on a farm and had working spaniels, show spaniels and other dogs. Found one we liked the look of and waited until they were old enough to be brought home. We went there and none of the pups were marked to show which one was which (there were 3 identical black ones) and we just had to go with the last black one left although we felt it wasn't the one we picked out.

We took her to the vets for her injections and we told the vet about her behaviour (she didn't seem right in the head) and he has heard many cases about the dog breeder and vets wont treat her dogs because they are so inbred and things of that nature.



I would complain to the council, RSPCA, maybe even the breeder.
Hope your little ones are ok x