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At my wit's end with Boris bunny. ADVICE NEEDED PLEASE :(

Oompa-Loompa

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(maybe I should've put this in the Health section....:oops: but here goes, long post alert)

Boris has had episodes of coughing + sneezing and laboured breathing since September. Each one has been successfully treated with Septrin, but his symptoms have always come back eventually. The first few courses of abx he had were very short ones (7-10 days) so I put it down to them not being long enough to be effective. After much debating with my local vets, who admittedly don't know a lot about rabbits, he was given Septrin for roughly a month. He's been examined twice and they could find nothing obviously wrong. Heart & lungs sounded good. Temperature was normal. He had no other symptoms of anything being wrong.

Well, he's been doing great since. For 4 months he's been almost completely back to normal, apart from a somewhat increased breathing rate (I suspect that this is due to scarring in his lungs :(). He's been coughing occasionally when stressed out but then he's been fine. Cheeky and inquistive with a huge appetite. And now, a few days ago (not more than 2 days I'd say) the symptoms have started to come back. Today he's breathing very quickly and having coughing fits. He's still active however and doesnt appear to be in any discomfort.

Initially my vet suspected pneumonia but from what I've read it usually makes bunnies VERY poorly. He's never been very poorly. He's been pretty under the weather, yes, but he never stopped eating etc. This made me think that it was, in fact, the dreaded pasteurella. But given his unusual symptoms I've never been 100% sure of this.

An interesting observation I made however, is the fact that he was on Baytril for 7 days in the beginning which did not help AT ALL. Whereas Septrin has usually started to kick in after only a few days. This to me points towards a respiratory infection caused by bacteria (Would appreciate if someone could confirm this or clear this up if I'm mistaken, but isn't Septrin USUALLY more effective for that type of problem)

Which, again, COULD = pasteurella.


Please, RU, I need your advice on what could be wrong with my little man. Having talked to my vets today, they don't sound too optimistic, they insist it isn't pasteurella because he doesn't have the typical symptoms, but what else could it possibly be? I'm getting really desperate :cry: They're telling me to take him in and get him x-rayed, which they've never even done with a rabbit before. I'm not sure they even realise they'd have to sedate him, which would be risky with his breathing being so bad. But that's the only thing they'll suggest now. They seem very reluctant to giving us any more Septrin since according to them, he's had enough and putting him back on it again would be dangerous as he could build up a resistance to it etc. (I need advice on this as well, do they have a point here or are they only saying this due to lack of knowledge?)

Any advice would be much appeciated, I really don't know what to do at the moment! :(
 
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Your Vet was probably refering to a chronic pneumonia as opposed to the acute form

'Pasteurella' is a group of bacteria as opposed to the name of an illness. Various strains of Pasteurella, usually Pasteurella multocida, cause the illnesses- eg Respiratory Tract infections, abscesses etc

http://wildpro.twycrosszoo.org/S/00dis/Bacterial/Pasteurellosis_lagomorphs.htm

Other Bacteria can also be involved

http://wildpro.twycrosszoo.org/S/00dis/Bacterial/PneumoniaRabbits.htm

To establish a more definitive diagnosis a chest xray would be needed, but it may be too risky to sedate him and a conscious xray is not going to give the best views.

Given that his last course of Septrin was long and successful and was over 4 months ago I personally think it would be reasonable to treat him with it again. There are other abx too, but I suspect your Vet may be very reluctant to use them if he/she is not that Bunny Savvy.
 
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Your Vet was probably refering to a chronic pneumonia as opposed to the acute form

'Pasteurella' is a group of bacteria as opposed to the name of an illness. Various strains of Pasteurella, usually Pasteurella multocida, cause the illnesses- eg Respiratory Tract infections, abscesses etc

To establish a more definitive diagnosis a chest xray would be needed, but it may be too risky to sedate him and a conscious xray is not going to give the best views.

Given that his last course of Septrin was long and successful and was over 4 months ago I personally think it would be reasonable to treat him with it again. There are other abx too, but I suspect your Vet may be very reluctant to use them if he/she is not that Bunny Savvy.

Thanks for replying Jane!

Yes, it sounds like she may have meant chronic pneumonia, which could be another possibility I guess? I've researched it but not found much relevant information unfortunately, do you have any additonal information on that disease if that's what he has? (how you treat it and manage it etc.)

I honestly do believe that sedating him would be a risk at this point, and even more so as they've admitted that they haven't done it on a rabbit before. How would I know they'd do it correctly? :? Also I don't want to put him under any type of stress right now unless I know it'll give us some answers. I'm not sure what an x-ray would even tell us? My vet didn't have an answer to that either, she just keeps saying it's the best thing to do *sighs*

Yeah that's the conclusion I've made as well (re the Septrin), but my vets seem to think that having him on abx again will be dangerous. I had to fight for just that 1 month course he had. These people are incredibly narrow-minded, they admit they don't know all that much about rabbits but still they seem to think that their way is the only way. They did talk about injectable Baytril before but since the oral version was so ineffective, I'm not sure that would help either. I'm convinced that Septrin is the way to go but how do I concince them :?

ETA: thanks for the links! :wave:
 
I dont have any other ones close to me that treat rabbits :( Closest one is about an hour away which wouldnt be a problem normally, but I don't want to put him under that amount of stress when he's like this :( I have one even further away which is excellent, I often call them for advice. I'm contacting them tomorrow morning to get a second, hopefully more reliable, opinion that I can then discuss with my local vet.
 
I hope so too :( My local one won't listen to my suggestions because I'm not a qualified veterinarian (because we all know how much of a difference THAT makes...with the amount of bad vets out there steadily increasing...not a lot I'd say! :roll: ) but if this more experienced practice agrees with me they'll have no choice but to take me seriously. Because I dont believe for a second that he "probably has a tumour." This has to be something else. Everything's pointing towards pasteurella or possibly chronic pneumonia. I just wish they'd listen to me.
 
I dont have any other ones close to me that treat rabbits :( Closest one is about an hour away which wouldnt be a problem normally, but I don't want to put him under that amount of stress when he's like this :( I have one even further away which is excellent, I often call them for advice. I'm contacting them tomorrow morning to get a second, hopefully more reliable, opinion that I can then discuss with my local vet.

I think it would be worth going to the rabbit savvy vet, our bun was the same, but he often had very high temps when he got ill and would often be taken into the vets for fluids and IV antibiotics until we realise they were not good rabbit vets. Went to a new vet who is a rabbit specialist first thing he told us to do was cut out the pellets, get rid of the multi vits the last vets had given for his water and to feed only greens and dust extracted hay, he said that the pellets contain sugars that are no good for buns and some other things that can make them poorly. We changed his diet and the cough disappeared and he didn't get temps anymore and was well right up until he died of cancer in February this year. Our vet is very well respected (Aiden from Ashleigh vets in Chorlton) And I have noticed a number of people on here see him too and recommend him. I was so sad that I hadn't made the 45 min drive earlier to get to a specialist because it would have saved our Mopsy a lot of stress of getting ill and being medicated.
 
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