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o-Chloe-o
03-04-2012, 07:18 PM
update - its getting worse, he is sitting with his head to one side......:( please help

Domino keeps dipping his face in his water bowl, he is drinking but also making his face wet - almost like its deliberate as normally he hates getting his face wet. Anyway we first noticed it yesterday, Jessie was going to the vets anyway so we took him along and the vet gave him a check, looked at his teeth etc and said there didnt appear to be anything wrong... Anyway he is doing it again today. For example currently he is sitting over the water bowl with half of his face soaking (even though i took him out 30 mins ago and dried his face up for him ) and leaning very slightly to that side - with one ear flopped over...

Is this weird? Seems weird to me? Normally he hates getting his chin wet and drinks from the bowl very cautiously, I have given him a bottle too.

I was worried about head tilt because of the leaning thing but hes not leaning permanently or anything, is this just an odd quirk? Vet didnt seem concerned at all so maybe im just over-reacting. I have checked him over thoroughly and given him a cuddle and just cant figure it out. he is acting strangely... he is eating but normally he goes crazy for it and now he nibbles but not that bothered... what could it be??? x

mini lop1
03-04-2012, 07:57 PM
dd the vet check his ears, or give him any treatment for possible ec

o-Chloe-o
03-04-2012, 08:06 PM
Hi thanks she did check his ears and mentioned ec but didn't want to give him anything as he acted totally normal at the vets, he also acts normal for a bit then like now he is sitting in the corner, face to one side :,(

o-Chloe-o
03-04-2012, 08:26 PM
Also when he I running around his face is normal forward facing, it seems to be when he is sitting I just dried his face again as he had soaked it in the water bowl, again!! X

leesabuntine
03-04-2012, 08:39 PM
Can u video him doing it?
Then you can show the vet.
I certainly would be seeing a vet again ASAP.

Also move the water bowl when he is unsupervised in case he ends up with his head in it fully and cannot get up.

o-Chloe-o
03-04-2012, 08:44 PM
Yes my bf is going to take him tomorrow morning as I'm at work so can't myself, it's weird and so worrying :'( jessie has been I'll for about a month following a wounded ear an had her last injection today, just wen I thought I could stop worrying this happens with Dom :'( just removed the bowls, does anyone have any clue what this cud be? :(

leesabuntine
03-04-2012, 09:49 PM
Possible EC or inner ear infection? Maybe a dental problem?
To be honest I think he needs a thorough examination carried out by rabbit savvy vet.
Take video footage of him and anything you think that might be replace my write it down and get your partner to give it to the vet.
I have a bunny with possible ec or ear infection nd his tilt never started till 2 days after he was seen by the vet. He showed hind leg weakness and a lack of appetite first and thats why he was at the vet.Now he has quite a severe head tilt and it basically happened over night.

Just make him comfortable an monitor him over night.
Don't worry about not being able to be at the vet. Sme thing happened To me and I sent my hubby with 2 A4 bits of paper containing George's behaviours, food and water intake and questions I wanted answering and then I called and spoke to the vet. I think they thought I was crazy.

o-Chloe-o
03-04-2012, 10:20 PM
Whatever it is, his head is definitely tilting just had him on the carpet for a bit and when I stroke his face his whole head leant into my hand sideways, he won't eat now either :'(

Kermit
03-04-2012, 10:33 PM
I would take him back to the vet.

He could have an inner ear infection that the vet can't see, or EC. Either way the vet could easily give you meds for both.

leesabuntine
03-04-2012, 10:49 PM
If you are concerned about his appetite then he needs to see a vet ASAP.
Have you tried tempting him with his fave food/treats?
what time is the vet appointnment tomorrow?

o-Chloe-o
04-04-2012, 06:52 AM
Haven't been able to call and make appointment but will get him in there ASAP this morning. He is no better today still head tilting to the side :'( doesn't want to eat I have offered him all sorts of treats he normally rips them out of my hand :(

GrahamL
04-04-2012, 08:12 AM
Haven't been able to call and make appointment but will get him in there ASAP this morning. He is no better today still head tilting to the side :'( doesn't want to eat I have offered him all sorts of treats he normally rips them out of my hand :(

Don't delay, he needs a vet urgently.

Sending vibes!

o-Chloe-o
04-04-2012, 08:25 AM
Appt at 920 bf is taking him, will update as soon as I hear :( it's not our usual vet either which is annoying she isn't there today :( xx

Jack's-Jane
04-04-2012, 08:34 AM
Appt at 920 bf is taking him, will update as soon as I hear :( it's not our usual vet either which is annoying she isn't there today :( xx

Hopefully the Vet will get him onto treatment that will make him feel more comfortable

Do make sure that he is prescribed ongoing pain relief

leesabuntine
04-04-2012, 08:56 AM
Hope your vet appointment goes well.
Also agree with pain relief....its a must as a bunny in pain will not want to eat....this can be an indication of pain.
Maybe get your partner to also ask for some meds to get his gut moving and stimulate his appetite.

Sending lots of luck and vibes your way.

o-Chloe-o
04-04-2012, 10:06 AM
Ok spoken with my bf. They have taken Domino in and will be doing a blood test to determine whether its EC. they will start the treatment today, when I said to him what treatment, he didnt seem to know exactly what so I guess Ill need to ring the vet later and ask myself.

She said to expect it to get much worse before it gets better (the tilt). :( xx

Kermit
04-04-2012, 10:14 AM
Ok spoken with my bf. They have taken Domino in and will be doing a blood test to determine whether its EC. they will start the treatment today, when I said to him what treatment, he didnt seem to know exactly what so I guess Ill need to ring the vet later and ask myself.

She said to expect it to get much worse before it gets better (the tilt). :( xx

I wouldn't bother about the blood test for EC as they are not the most reliable. If it were me I would just treat for EC and save myself the money on the blood tests.

It might get worse, it can be really bad :(

Treatment should be panacur and metacam, then antibiotics in case of an ear infection.

o-Chloe-o
04-04-2012, 10:17 AM
Thanks I'm going to call the vet in a minute I got insurance for both of them when Jessie got ill so hopefully the money won't be a worry there is an excess of 75 so hopefully that will be all I'll pay xxx

Kermit
04-04-2012, 10:18 AM
Thanks I'm going to call the vet in a minute I got insurance for both of them when Jessie got ill so hopefully the money won't be a worry there is an excess of 75 so hopefully that will be all I'll pay xxx

Yeah, insurance will cover it all in that case so not such a worry.

leesabuntine
04-04-2012, 10:36 AM
Give the vet a wee call and speak to the vet About a treatment plan.
As for the ec test I agree with kermit, thy are not reliable and if anything taking blood will stress your little bunny out even more....that was why George wasn't tested.

It will probably get worse before it gets better an my George has a permanent head tilt. However he is a happy bunny 7 weeks on. So your bunny can recover if given appropriate treatment ....don't be disheartened.
My bunny was treated for ec and an ear infection therefore all bases were covered.
Keep us updated. Vibes sent your way from us! :)

o-Chloe-o
04-04-2012, 10:51 AM
Thanks I just spoke with my vet for about 15 mins. She explained it all thoroughly and said she is pretty certain it is EC but they want to do the blood test to be sure and then if its positive we will treat Jessie as well, Jessie has been on penicllin and I asked if this would help her with this but she said as this was for bacterial infection its different, I guess in that case the insurance would cover it right?? I couldnt claim for Jessies' ear/infection as it had already happened before I got the insurance. If the blood test is negative it could be something more serious so we would have to cross that bridge if it comes to it and investigate further.

They are giving him the meds for the EC anyway and said it will be a course of 28 days. When he went in this morning she said he had a bit of green stuff coming out his nose, which I suggested could have been the spinach I put in for them both yesterday, which means he might not be swallowing properly despite the want to eat. She said this could lead to pneumonia as it could get into his lungs, and they were a bit noisy when she listened to them. :(

So they are giving him the meds for EC and syringe feeding him gut stimulant and recovery paste at the moment, she said she would call later today and said he could be picked up then (hopefully) but they want to get the meds in him and food etc.

She also said this could paralise his entire body so he could end up completely on his side unable to move :cry: my poor baby xxx

Kermit
04-04-2012, 11:12 AM
Hiya, I would just treat Jessie anyways, even if she is showing no symptoms. I wouldn't bother going through the insurance if you do treat Jessie as you would have to pay another 75 excess as it is a different bunny, so different claim. Depending on Jessies weight you would only need 2 - 4 tubs of panacur for her which is about 7 each at the vets (you can buy it cheaper online).

EC blood tests are known to come back negative even when the bun is showing all the symptoms.

EC is a horrible disease and can really affect bunnies. It can really floor them. I have had two buns with EC. One with head tilt and one with hind leg paralysis. Hopefully Domino won't get too bad, but if he does then it often seems like they are not gonna get better, but bunnies are tough little cookies and very often fight through it all, so there is hope :)

Don't hesitate to ask anything about this, there are a good few of us who have been through this and have sucess stories!

o-Chloe-o
04-04-2012, 11:22 AM
Thanks so much, really appreciate the help and advice, I just cant believe this has happened, I already spent 350 at the vets last month because of Jessies ear! Its so sad to see Dom looking this way :'( on the plus side jessies ear has healed nicely, is still healing but looking good, we almost amputated at one point, very glad we didnt! I'm sure I'll be on here again soon for advice! thank you xxxx

leesabuntine
04-04-2012, 10:51 PM
How is Domino this evening?
Hope you got him home.

o-Chloe-o
05-04-2012, 11:26 AM
Hi! Domino came home last night, looking very sorry for himself :(

His right eye (the side of the tilt) is quite sunken and this morning I noticed that he has some swelling under his chin... We are going back to the vets again at 4.30pm today.

He is being fed recovery paste - I am doing this by spoon as he was licking it off the spoon - is that ok?? He seemed a lot more distressed when trying to syringe it to him.

His tilt is no worse and is still quite 'slight' at the moment.

He has panacur, baytril, bio - lapis and the recovery paste

I have put towels in for him as when he came home from the vets he was quite wet, as tho he had been sitting in wee. I did give him a quick towel dry but he was getting reallly fed up and I expect he had a lot of poking and prodding in the vets :( He was alot drier this morning so hopefully thats good too, still appreciate any advice if you have some :) was thinking of purchasing a vet bed for him?? xx

leesabuntine
05-04-2012, 03:10 PM
Glad to see Domino is back with his mummy. :)
It's stressful for them at the vet so he's probably better off at home.
George's down eye is also sunken and not open as much and we ae 7 weeks on so as long as there is no discharge/ infection then that's probably ok
As for the swelling on his chin, def need a vet to look. Did they check his teeth yesterday when he was in?
He will seem tired and a bit sorry for himself just keep on going with what u are doing with him.
Will e eat any hay or food at all?

o-Chloe-o
05-04-2012, 05:32 PM
Glad to see Domino is back with his mummy. :)
It's stressful for them at the vet so he's probably better off at home.
George's down eye is also sunken and not open as much and we ae 7 weeks on so as long as there is no discharge/ infection then that's probably ok
As for the swelling on his chin, def need a vet to look. Did they check his teeth yesterday when he was in?
He will seem tired and a bit sorry for himself just keep on going with what u are doing with him.
Will e eat any hay or food at all?

Thank you, we just came back from another trip to the vets ...
The swelling on his chin is apparently is just build up of fluids where his head was leaning that way, although today the tilt actually appears to have improved alot. We have been given some ointment for his eye which should make it a bit better for him. They have checked his teeth, she checked them again today and she said there is nothing urgent to be dealt with there, maybe later on but not now (misalignment?).

He is eating little nibbles, we have had to give him the recovery sachets and also my bf pureed some carrotts, broccoli and spinach, he seems to like that :)

He really didnt like being at the vet :( xxxxx

leesabuntine
05-04-2012, 08:50 PM
That's fab news Domino is back from the vets.
Regarding the swelling, George had similar thing except it was his ear. Fluid wasn't draining due to the angle so I alternated cold and warm compresses and massaged it several times a day and it disappeared in over a week. Basically due to the unnatural angle of his head.
We still have weepy watery eyes due to drainage of he eye caused by the head angle.
It's sounding positive for Domino. Am really Pleased fOr u both.

We don't do vet appointments I only take him when necessary.
Even when he had accupuncture for his head tilt and general self it was all do e at home.
I do any injections in the house and just see the vet daily on updates etc.

parsnipbun
05-04-2012, 10:03 PM
I see metacam is not on your list of drugs - metacam is an anti-inflammatory as well as a painkiller and is essential in trying to minimise the damage done by EC. Can you check with the vets? You should have it.

o-Chloe-o
06-04-2012, 12:33 PM
hi! Thanks again for your responses, Domino is ok today, although still poorly his head isnt tilted as much and he is licking spoonfuls at a time of his recovery paste.. bless him. He is still sitting in the corner tho but he is on a towell and Jessie seems to be taking care of him too. He is quite frightened when I go near him with any sort of syringe now, which is such a shame as when Jessie was ill he just wanted to get hold of her syringe all the time. I think the vets really frightened him :(

re the metacam, I asked vet several times (when I called her and again a couple of times when I was in the surgery) and she doesnt want to give it to him because she said it could lead to kidney failure.... she also said although he is uncomfortable it isnt generally painful.....?

Maybe also because we have caught it fairly early this is another reason she doesnt want to do it, he was definitely improved the day after being admitted so obviously really hoping improvement continues...

I have been massaging the back of his neck but he wont let me near the underside of his chin, he flinches and trys to get away :( I dont want to stress him out more than he is already so I am just popping in about once an hour, giving him a couple of spoonfuls of paste etc... I wiped his eye and put the ointment in, he didnt like that much either, :(

thanks again for your advice, he is back at the vets on Tuesday xxxx

leesabuntine
06-04-2012, 12:58 PM
So glad domino is making progress. Am really pleased for you both.
Glad his tilt has improved, seems today is a very positive day for little Domino.

Regarding metacam, my bunny is now on it for life and definetly at the top end of the dose range and several people on the board have their bunnies on it long term too.
Metacam is usually a treatment for ec as well. It's a non steroidal anti-inflammatory so along wih reducing pain it reduces swelling.
It was the first thing the vet put my wee lad on.
Is there another vet you could maybe speak to about it because I have had conflicting advice regarding metacam depending on the vet. Had one vet give him a tiny tiny dose after him wing on a huge dose and my bunny ended up at deaths door due to him stopped eating due to pain. Told me the previous vet overdosed him :@ needless to say I got a different vet to up his dose and she was less than impressed on his lack of knowledge!
If he is in pain it can cause a bunny to stop eating or have very little appetite.

It sounds like the little lad is on the road to recovery.
It's a long hard road but so worth it!
Keep us updated on Domino. It's lovely o hear of bunnies beating this horrible disease! :)