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Should we have the operation done?

Linzielegs

Warren Scout
We have a french lop who was a rescued rabbit and is now around 2 years old, we have had him for 18 months and has been kept as a house rabbit for the past 12 months. During the time we have had him he had pneumonia twice both times were hit and miss if he would survive but thankfully he made it, he also had a skin infection but again recovered. Following specialist rabbit vet advice, he has a totally natural diet of hay and greens with the odd carrot or apple as a treat and since then has not been ill since June 2011.

However, the last few weeks he has been a bit quieter than normal, not much but he was such a bossy rabbit before we could see a difference. Over weekend he went off his food a bit eating maybe half what he would normally and hardly moving in his cage and not coming out of his cage in the day when the door was open. I also found a pea sized lump on his side that feels like a cyst, connected to the skin but nothing else. Yesterday morning he had a pooey bum, was hardly eating, had cold ears and was really floppy. Obviously took him to the vets yesterday and when they checked him over they found a lump in his tummy which they said was in his lymph node. They took bloods and then rang me this morning and said his bloods didn't show any major organ failure but his white cell count was really really low which is indicative of lymphoma or a very bad infection. Apparently they need to do a laperoscopy to get inside and see if the lymph node is swollen because it is draining from an intestinal infection, or if it is cancer and if it is to see if they can remove it or not. They said during the op they will either fix him up or just not wake him up again. Problem is he just isn't strong enough to survive the operation at the moment, they said to bring him in straight away so he could be put on a drip and be put in an ICU tank to help him stay warm, they are also going to syringe feed him and give him some stronger painkillers that I can't give him at home. They are hoping if they can stabilise him they can look at operating as soon as he is able.

So here's the question, should I be putting him through anymore? The vets said that the op is painful and invasive and they don't really know what they are going to find so can't give me an idea of the outcome, they think it is worth taking a chance if I can afford the op but am just so frightened I'm going to be putting him though all this pain and if it doesn't work then it's for nothing. Please don't think I'm giving up on him, I'm not, I can't tell you how many nights I stayed up with him syringing water in his mouth, tucking him under my jumper with hot water bottles to keep him warm, hand feeding him bits of food to get him to eat anything, I've always done anything I can for him. It's just that this time there doesn't seem to be much chance of it being treatable but he is in so much pain and the op will just be worse. Has anyone been through this? Anyone got a happy ending story for me? Daft as it probably sounds I am desperately upset for my little guy and scared of getting it wrong for him.
 
I'm so sorry that you have joined us under such sad circumstances.

My advice to you is to look inside and ask yourself what your gut instinct says is best for your lovely boy.

If you can identify that then you need to follow it because it won't lead your wrong. I'm sorry I can't give more concrete help than that because I wish I could.
 
Poor boy :cry:

Is it not possible for the Vet to take an Ultrasound guided biopsy of the enlarged lymph node rather than going straight in with a full laparotomy ?

I am assuming they have him on antibiotics ?
 
My case wasn't exactly the same, but when I got Pebbles (not sure how old he was as he was adopted) he was withdrawn, hardly moved and had very bad poos, and vet found a massive lump in his abdomen. I had already fell in love with him, and thought any chance was better than nothing. the vet said the same thing to me...they would have a look and if it was a tumor they would see if they could remove it. It turned out to be a tumor the size of a golf ball, which they successfully removed. However he developed a hernia and had to have that repaired 10 days later.

It has been nearly 2 years since that op, and no tumors have developed in that time. He is the most loving bunny I have ever had and has been spoilt rotten and I am so glad I chose to go for the op as it gave him a completely new lease of life.
 
I think if it were me, I sincerely hope it never will be, but I would go for the op, that way if it is benign and can be removed he could have years left but on the other side if it does show cancer and can not be removed you gave him a fighting chance and they can let him slip away pain free and he wouldnt be aware of anything. If you do go for it just remember to tell him how much you love him.
 
I do feel for you. I have been going through a similar turmoil today with my bun Jasmine. I dont know if you've read my thread about her breathing difficulties. Slightly different I know but I wanted her to have an x ray to see if she has got tumours in her lungs but because she is having problems with her breathing then they cant guarantee she'll survive the anaesethic. It is such a hard decision and Sky is right you have to go with your gut instinct. You know him better than anyone else. Big hugs.
 
Poor boy :cry:

Is it not possible for the Vet to take an Ultrasound guided biopsy of the enlarged lymph node rather than going straight in with a full laparotomy ?

I am assuming they have him on antibiotics ?

They're worried he wouldn't survive the stress of a biopsy or fine needle aspiration and then an operation also they think if he stabilises enough to do it then waiting for the results means we could miss the window where he might be strong enough to survive. They said they wouldn't be contemplating treatment at this point for any other bunny it's only that he survived the abuse as a baby and then the pneumonias and he's normally such a stroppy furball that they think he could fight it. They put him on antibiotics, painkillers, zantac and metaclopromide to help with gut motility and try and increase his appetite.
 
Big hugs to you too ChristyRose I really hope your bunny gets better, so hard when they get ill :(

Thanks everyone for the advice, am trying to follow my gut but this time I just don't know, all the other times I just had a feeling he could do it, this time I just don't know.

Fruitandnutcake thank you, am so pleased to hear of a bunny that has survived something similar, all I have found on the net so far is doom and gloom, was starting to think he had no chance.
 
Just a quick update, thanks for all the advice last night :)

Mopsy stopped eating completely overnight but then has started eating a little during the day, his breathing is still quite shallow but he is stable. We got to visit him this evening for half an hour which was fab, got lots of cuddles and when he saw me and my son he started trying to roll across to us till we got next to him (honestly you wouldn't believe that this bunny wouldn't come near a person when we first got him) but have never seen him looking quite so cross! If rabbits could scowl then he was doing it!

Important bit is that we have decided to go ahead with the surgery tomorrow, they think even if he hasn't much improved by morning it is probably as good as he is going to get and I think any rabbit that looks as cross as he did at being prodded and poked and having stupid needles in his ears is definitely a rabbit that wants to fight. So with a whole heap of luck tomorrow we will hopefully have a fixed bunny and if not he'll be getting the best room in heaven (according to my son at least :)
 
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