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Gemmapookie
20-01-2012, 09:53 AM
And of those who are, have they had any gut issues during their moult?

Im sure theres a link between the 2 :wave:

Tracy
20-01-2012, 09:57 AM
Mine haven't started yet. Not looking forward to it though as last year both Daisy and Poppy had a couple of episodes of stasis each, both during times of heavy moult. My buns now go on a low dose of Zantac during their moult (my vet's advice).

*Red*
20-01-2012, 10:01 AM
:shock: Mango's been moulting for ages, and now I'm wondering if she has gut issues?! :shock:

Gemmapookie
20-01-2012, 10:02 AM
Mine haven't started yet. Not looking forward to it though as last year both Daisy and Poppy had a couple of episodes of stasis each, both during times of heavy moult. My buns now go on a low dose of Zantac during their moult (my vet's advice).

Thats very interesting, Ive never heard of that being done before. Defintaly something to think about, thankyou :wave:

Gemmapookie
20-01-2012, 10:03 AM
:shock: Mango's been moulting for ages, and now I'm wondering if she has gut issues?! :shock:

What are her symptoms? x

AnnieElms
20-01-2012, 10:11 AM
Hi Gemma,

I'm going to keep a close eye on this thread. Bunny gets stasis episodes, and so does Poppy but not so frequently, and we haven't been able to identify why. But (and I hate to say this for fear of jinxing it) they have both been fine for a good few months now - basically all through the winter months so far. BUT, Bunny started a moult last week and like you I have been wondering whether moulting might contribute to his episodes, so I have been keeping an extra close eye on him and brushing him with the furminator much more than I used to to try and help him through it.

I really am not enjoying his moult - every morning I go downstairs half expecting him to be tummy pressing, but so far so good *keeps fingers tightly crossed, and touching wood*!

*Red*
20-01-2012, 10:14 AM
What are her symptoms? x

She doesn't have any as far as I'm aware! She's just moulting. They're with x-vic-x at the moment being bonded, I'm sure she'd know if something was wrong but I'll ask her to check..

Gemmapookie
20-01-2012, 10:16 AM
Hi Gemma,

I'm going to keep a close eye on this thread. Bunny gets stasis episodes, and so does Poppy but not so frequently, and we haven't been able to identify why. But (and I hate to say this for fear of jinxing it) they have both been fine for a good few months now - basically all through the winter months so far. BUT, Bunny started a moult last week and like you I have been wondering whether moulting might contribute to his episodes, so I have been keeping an extra close eye on him and brushing him with the furminator much more than I used to to try and help him through it.

I really am not enjoying his moult - every morning I go downstairs half expecting him to be tummy pressing, but so far so good *keeps fingers tightly crossed, and touching wood*!

Its horrible isnt it. 3 of mine have started moulting in the last 2 weeks and all 3 of them have had gut issues :shock: Max and Timmy had what I think was either abit of gas, or difficulty moving some fur along. I managed to get them back on track within half an hour or so without veterinary treatment. Charlotte had gas and was on the verge of stasis and has had to have treatment, shes moulting the worst by far.

It occured to me that every time I take a sick rabbit to the vets, said rabbit is moulting. With Mimi her head tilt was during her moult aswell. And I lost Tilly to a blockage whilst she was moulting :cry:

Gemmapookie
20-01-2012, 10:18 AM
She doesn't have any as far as I'm aware! She's just moulting. They're with x-vic-x at the moment being bonded, I'm sure she'd know if something was wrong but I'll ask her to check..

Oh I see, well dont worry. Im sure its not the case that all moulting rabbits will have gut problems.

Im just trying to establish if other people have noticed that their bun is moulting when it has gut issues.

Elena
20-01-2012, 10:19 AM
In 2010 when Smudge had a few episodes of stasis around Oct-Dec time I askedy vet if fur could be the cause. He said he doesn't believe that fur in the stomach causes stasis. Smudge hasn't had any true stasis episodes yet this winter (one day he sulked cos Nutmeg wasgetting medicated banana andhe wasn't and refused food but within half an hour was eating again) so I believe it was coincidence or maybe something to do with the shop brought herbs they had over winter that year, this year they haven't had any, only dried forage. I know though that moulting takes a bit of a strain on their systems so sometimes they need some extra energy to deal with it.

AnnieElms
20-01-2012, 10:23 AM
Its horrible isnt it. 3 of mine have started moulting in the last 2 weeks and all 3 of them have had gut issues :shock: Max and Timmy had what I think was either abit of gas, or difficulty moving some fur along. I managed to get them back on track within half an hour or so without veterinary treatment. Charlotte had gas and was on the verge of stasis and has had to have treatment, shes moulting the worst by far.

It occured to me that every time I take a sick rabbit to the vets, said rabbit is moulting. With Mimi her head tilt was during her moult aswell. And I lost Tilly to a blockage whilst she was moulting :cry:

I'll try and come back to this thread an update on how we are going with this moult. It would be really interesting for both of us to monitor this over a period of time.

I do feel for buns when they moult, as the amount of fluff that comes out during a short brushing session is shocking, and to think that they are licking that and ingesting it during washes is quite shocking! I know they are designed to consume some, but I still find it quite :shock:. I also read (here I think), that it takes an awful lot of energy to moult, poor buns it must be quite an ordeal :(

Alleycat
20-01-2012, 10:27 AM
My large and really fluffy lionhead had the odd bout of stomach issues (gas and slow slomach movement) during moulting and also generally during winter, but after observing her and her "output" during said episodes closely, it seems to be from ingested fur, largely from the mane underneath her chin, a place which is an absolute no-no for me to touch or brush :roll:

I've recently taken to bringing her to the vets every two weeks for a thorough brush (we need three people for this procedure) and so far this year we've only had one episode of gut problems, but that was brought on by her eating large chunks out of my wool sweater :roll:

Aliswan
20-01-2012, 10:33 AM
Its horrible isnt it. 3 of mine have started moulting in the last 2 weeks and all 3 of them have had gut issues :shock: Max and Timmy had what I think was either abit of gas, or difficulty moving some fur along. I managed to get them back on track within half an hour or so without veterinary treatment.

Just read this and I'm going to be extra vigilant when I get my new bunnies this weekend. Just wondering what you did to get Max and Timmy back on track? I've never had a rabbit with stasis but it sounds terrifying so if there is anything I could do to help prevent it I would like to know. I hope Charlotte gets well soon!

Tracy
20-01-2012, 10:34 AM
I don't think it's the actual fur on its own that causes the problem as normally that will pass through the system. With my bunnies it was thought to be more a combination of the fur together with a possibly sluggish gut caused by the stress on the body.

FHB touch on this subject at the RWAF conference and talked about rabbits actually eating their hard poos, which during a moult can be full of matted hair and could, therefore, cause problems in their gut. I've never seen any of mine eat hard poos, but that's not to say they don't as a few people there said that they had observed this behaviour in their rabbits.

sun_city_girl
20-01-2012, 10:45 AM
both of mine are moulting like mad at the moment, ive got a bit of a moult routine; brushing them twice a day, hay only diet and regular pineapple. they actually seem to be fine so far but am keeping a close eye on them!

Gemmapookie
20-01-2012, 10:47 AM
Just read this and I'm going to be extra vigilant when I get my new bunnies this weekend. Just wondering what you did to get Max and Timmy back on track? I've never had a rabbit with stasis but it sounds terrifying so if there is anything I could do to help prevent it I would like to know. I hope Charlotte gets well soon!

With Timmy and Max I set them up next to a warm hot water bottle, syringed some cooled (but still warm) boiled water and did a VERY gentle tummy massage. This procedure has helped my buns numerous times when theyve started to seem off, got them eating again and avoided vet visits. If after an hour of trying this there is no improvement I then call the vet as I did with Charlotte :wave:

Gemmapookie
20-01-2012, 10:50 AM
both of mine are moulting like mad at the moment, ive got a bit of a moult routine; brushing them twice a day, hay only diet and regular pineapple. they actually seem to be fine so far but am keeping a close eye on them!

Interestingly i usually do the pineapple thing too, but havent this time round. Hmm, best get them some in I think :)

mini lop1
20-01-2012, 11:46 AM
mabel says she was moulting but mummy furminated her :lol:

Aliswan
20-01-2012, 11:58 AM
With Timmy and Max I set them up next to a warm hot water bottle, syringed some cooled (but still warm) boiled water and did a VERY gentle tummy massage. This procedure has helped my buns numerous times when theyve started to seem off, got them eating again and avoided vet visits. If after an hour of trying this there is no improvement I then call the vet as I did with Charlotte :wave:

Thank you!

I'm writing myself a little book of all the tips I've been given from this forum so that I have quick reference to it if need be in the future!

happysaz133
20-01-2012, 02:42 PM
Jura is moulted at the moment, never had a gut issue with her.

Vita
20-01-2012, 02:46 PM
Ada seems to be moulting slightly just now. She has a little V-shape on her forehead and I've seen a couple of other bits of loose fur. She has been ok so far. She is a Rex and I'm not sure if they moult as heavily as other buns. Also, just in case, she is on the Oxbow papaya tablets for digestion and Biolapis.

Little Beatrix was moulting massively before she died (of diarrhoea) :(

CoffeePuffin
20-01-2012, 02:49 PM
My little guy has some moulting lines :)

megansmummy
20-01-2012, 02:53 PM
Poppy and Daisy have been mouting for a week or so and yesterday Daisy had a stasis episode :( Being dutchies they are fairly short haired but the vet did mention that we could give them a small piece of pineapple once a week or so to help with the moulting... I think Daisys stasis might have been more stress related as we moved their hutch on sunday and then have had workmen in the garden for 5 days doing the base of our conservatory :?

VickiP
20-01-2012, 02:56 PM
:wave: I have a moulting bunny atm Jingle my rex buck is moulting, he has no history of gut probs at all, I've experienced it in his lady partner Nessie however the last time he was moulting, through mutual grooming she was obviously ingesting too much of his fur and it's of a different consistency to his.

I did do a thread asking if mixed breed bunnies could be an issue as obviously there are differences in fur texture, length, density etc - my personal feeling is that it could be an issue, when he is moulting I brush him more often & space out their daily 'greens' fed wet into 5-6 tiny portions as opposed to 2 one in the morning and one at night. This is to ensure she is eating sufficient hay through the day not filling up on soft wet greens and then grooming.

I wouldn't recommend anything sweet like pineapple or papaya personally, I would stick to increasing fibre intake and hand feed the normal daily amount of greens into tiny amounts - as many portions possible through the day. If anything to encourage hay I would sprinkle a few burgess apple bits or a couple of fenugreek crunchies broken up onto hay.

I don't think there is a direct link personally, I think it's an unlucky combination of events that can occur in a moult - they are more tired, bit lazy and certainly in bunnies that aren't brushed properly or don't have nice tempting hay it doesn't take long for the fur to impact at the wall of the gut and problems occur.

It's definately something to watch and modify feeding and exercise and grooming accordingly though.:thumb:

Vita
20-01-2012, 03:13 PM
I wouldn't recommend anything sweet like pineapple or papaya personally, I would stick to increasing fibre intake and hand feed the normal daily amount of greens into tiny amounts - as many portions possible through the day. If anything to encourage hay I would sprinkle a few burgess apple bits or a couple of fenugreek crunchies broken up onto hay.
I use the Oxbow tablets because they don't contain any simple sugars as actual fruit does. Plenty of buns seem to be ok with dried pineapple and papaya, as Ada was, but I switched to the tablets to be on the safe side.
She also loves them, probably more so than she liked the dried fruit chunks.

VickiP
20-01-2012, 03:16 PM
I use the Oxbow tablets because they don't contain any simple sugars as actual fruit does. Plenty of buns seem to be ok with dried pineapple and papaya, as Ada was, but I switched to the tablets to be on the safe side.
She also loves them, probably more so than she liked the dried fruit chunks.

:wave: A lot of people are advised by vets even to use fresh pineapple - in my experience anything non fibrous is pointless for bunnies, I used to feed banana and dried papaya and pineapple as treats, I experienced more gut problems in my rabbits during this period of time than I have since eliminating anything that they wouldn't eat naturally in the wild. It's personal choice but in my experience if they wouldn't eat it naturally then they don't need it ;)

Elena
20-01-2012, 03:51 PM
As to the question as to whether mine are moulting (just realised I didn't actually answer the question :oops:) Mini and Mischa were a few weeks ago but have finished now, Nutmeg is starting a moult, and with Smudge it's not too easy to tell as he's always a mass of fur but I don't think he is yet.

nicki
20-01-2012, 04:16 PM
Oliver's tummy was definitely sluggish when he was moulting last week and he had quite a few droppings strung together with hair. My other bunny Alice has chronic gut problems so I tried to be vigilant. I gave him dill in small bits throughout the day, probiotic in water in a bowl, wet my hand to stroke him and remove hair - he's scared of the brush! lots of hay and leaves and a small amount of fibreplex when I was concerned about his droppings which seemed to help.

He was like a cloud of fluff and I was following him around with a dustbin and brush!

There seems to be a lot of differing views on the pineapple and papaya thing. I would appreciate any other ideas too.

Nicki;)

sun_city_girl
20-01-2012, 06:24 PM
The buns usually only nibble a bit of pineapple and ignore the rest of the chunk and just stuff their faces with hay, they love hay!but i dont mind giving it to them if it does help, one of my buns is very fussy though and the other is a bun dustbin and would eat anything he could get his paws on!