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Teeth spurs

Alicia

Mama Doe
I took Izzy to the vets today and the vet said she's got spurs on her back teeth. She said that they aren't very big at the moment, and if she clipped them now they could damage her teeth, so I have to keep monitoring her weight and take her back to the vets in 3 weeks. I don't really understand what spurs are, is there any way to totally get rid of them or will they need clipping regularly?
 
This is something I wrote for an adopter recently. This might be helpful (but some is probably not relevant).

Sky-O said:
Ok, bunnies have two sets of teeth- their incisors and the molars (no canines because they are herbivores). All their teeth constantly grow.

The front ones (incisors) normally wear down on each other as they eat and chew things. (I hope this link works).

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgu...age=1&ndsp=24&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0&tx=60&ty=103

That is what the incisors should look like. The bottom ones should go behind the front ones.

Sometimes they are not lined up in the mouth properly (sometimes due to jaw shape, genetics, injury) and so grow out of line like these poor bunnies. When they don't meet properly, they don't wear down properly, thus causing these problems. This is Malocclusion (the second link is not for the faint hearted because there are some removed incisors further down the page).

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgu...jLAL&esq=6&page=1&ndsp=24&ved=1t:429,r:19,s:0

http://www.vet-magazin.com/wissenschaft/veterinary-dentistry/Articles/Malocclusion-Rabbits.html

Rabbits with these problems can have their teeth clipped (more in the olden days), or burred down to keep them level, or in extreme cases (although it is becoming more and more common), the teeth can be extracted.

Those teeth can obviously been seen and checked and looked at, so its very easy to tell if your bunny has an incisor issue.

With the molars it is very different. The molars are not visible to the naked eye. A bunnies mouth is very long and the only way to see in in with an otoscope (what the doctor looks in a persons ear with). However, checking teeth even with an otoscope is not 100% accurate. The only way to fully check the teeth is under a general anaesthetic when the jaw is not tense and can be opened far wider.

This is what an xray of a rabbits skull looks like. It gives you an idea of where the teeth are placed in the skull and why they are not visible.

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgu...page=1&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0&tx=99&ty=74

Molars also constantly grow. When they line up perfectly, and the rabbit has a good diet (i.e. plenty of hay and other fibrous foods), the teeth just rub down on each other and cause no problems.

If the molars don't line up properly (i.e. through genetics, injury or illness- head tilt can cause this problem because of how a rabbit has to eat with a tilted head), or if the diet is not good enough then the teeth may not wear down properly. This may mean that 'spurs' will form. This is when part of the tooth is being worn down, but another part is not so continues growing, eventually forming a spike.

When these spurs grow they can either grow vertically up and down (which is less problematical), or they can grow sideways into the tongue or into the cheek, which, as you can imagine, is pretty painful. The way they grow depends on the reasons behind the dental problems in the first place and how the teeth are wearing down.

When rabbits get spurs and they cause problems, then they need to be burred down under a general anaesthetic. It is not accepted that they can be removed, although there are some very gummy bunnies about with no molars- but that's not the standard treatment and one most vets won't consider.

If a rabbit needs one dental, it will invariably need another, but the time in between can vary depending on the problem and how its managed. Some rabbits need them every 3-4 weeks (these are generally the ones with misaligned teeth where the spurs grow into the tongue or cheek), whereas others can go for many months or years without needing one. Most of mine fall into the second category and can go anywhere from 6 months up to over a year, without needing another dental. I do have one girl who at 17 weeks had her first dental and she was unfortunately brewing again only a week after, although with some major changes she is now almost 5 months since her last dental- now aged 18 months.

The following link shows the first two pictures of a rabbit with mild/moderate spurs pointing in to the tongue. The second two pictures show the teeth burred and back to looking like normal teeth again.

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgu...page=1&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:5,s:0&tx=49&ty=71

Dental problems can be easy to identify if you know your bunny, or bunnies in general.

Typical dental signs are drooling, weightloss, not eating, not pooing (in short, gut stasis- which means the gut has shutdown and is not functioning. This can be fatal to bunnies because toxic levels of the wrong bacteria will grow).

The more subtle signs to see before that (or around the time the drooling may appear) would be aggression that is not normally there, smaller poos, 'doughy' stomach, acting out of character, excessive drinking, boney spine, running to food then looking like they want to eat and then running away again, eating but bits falling out of their mouth, selective eating (such as less hay, more pellets or greens, but what rabbits can and will eat will depend on the spurs).

Other signs you might see, which tally in, could be runny eyes, running nose, sneezing, lumps on the face, and those would all be associated with tooth root problems.

Obviously many of those symptoms can present for other reasons as well and be caused by other problems, so its a case of looking at the overall picture.

My vet has been amazed by how early I can pick up my bunnies problems. Normally when he sees dental bunnies they are seriously ill, not eating, drooling, lost a lot of weight, had their mouth all cut up inside from the spurs, and the owner has not realised. I have never had an injury inside my bunnies mouths because I can spot it so early, just from the slight behaviour changes. I will turn up at the vets and say 'I think X needs a dental' and my vet will be like 'how do you know' and I'll say 's/he is not himself, and I have noticed that s/he is more withdrawn, or has small poo, or whatever' and he will look at me doubtfully, then check the tummy and identify it doesn't feel right, then check the mouth and tel me that yes, said bunny needs a dental. I think he's learning that you can pick things up so early, which gives the bunny the best chance of recovery and the best chance of a long gap between dentals (if the spurs are pushing on the teeth and causing them to move slightly, that can make them more prone to more problems in the longer run- so the sooner they are sorted the better).

As rabbits age, their teeth become looser in their mouth, making them more prone to dental problems. If a rabbit is getting them young, then that is not a good sign for the future, and things are likely to get worse with age, although while the rabbit is young, it is sometimes possible to manage the problem, thus reducing the amount of dentals a rabbit needs.

Tooth roots are also common problems with rabbits, but a completely different board game to spurs. With spurs you can treat them periodically for as long as the bunny needs (or wants) you to. Roots are pretty untreatable, so its a case of managing the symptoms (be them runny eyes, abscesses, pastuerella- which is an upper respiratory infection, and most importantly, pain) which is often anti inflammatories, burring the teeth down to gumline and then treating additional symptoms and problems as they arise.'

Does that help at all?

I don't understand though, why your vet would say it would damage them? Will your vet be clipping or burring? Burring is preferable, so I would suggest questioning what method they would use.
 
Hi there

Molar spurs are sharp little points that grow off the side of the back teeth (the molars) causing damage to the tongue and the side of the mouth. Sometimes these are caused by misaligned front teeth, overgrown teeth roots or aging. My 10 year old mini-lop had them, and used to have them filed down every 12 weeks. However, since having to have his front teeth out (incisors), due to a tooth root abscess, the spurs have stopped growing (hopefully!) Unfortunately, once a bunny develops spurs, they do need to be continually burred down, otherwise they will grow and stop bunny from eating. Luckily my vet can do it with bunny awake and it's not a problem. You can try and keep them under control yourself, by getting bunny to eat lots and lots of hay, which is a different chewing motion to when they eat pellets, and this will help with the spurs. If you have a rabbit-savvy vet, who can treat them with bunny awake, then it's not such a problem. If you see bunny drooling, or wet under the chin, then this is a good indication the spurs are causing a real problem. Good luck with your buns. xxxx
 
Fibre optic view of molar spurs

rabbitmolarspurs.jpg
 
Thank you very much for all the help :) I think the vet meant that the spurs on Izzy's teeth are so small that they'd be difficult to remove. She said they clip them, is that bad? The vet told me to keep an eye on Izzy's weight and take her back to be weighed again in 3 weeks. It still doesn't really help with Izzy's eating though, because she still eats really slowly. I seperated Izzy from Archie for 2 hours today and she had 20g of pellets and some porridge oats, and she ate half of that in 2 hours.
 
To be honest, that makes me wonder whether, even if the vet deems them small, they are causing her pain and discomfort. I would imagine if the spurs are 'clipped' that it would be difficult to deal with smaller ones (harder than dealing wth them than if they were being burred). I would also imagine, although I'm not sure, that clipping would damage the teeth? Or make the likelihood of damage to the tooth greater?
 
Clipping the teeth is not really a good idea as it can cause more damage and lead to problems with root infections/abscesses.

How much hay is Izzy eating ? It is only hay/grass eating that will help re wearing down the molars

I do wonder if getting her teeth done by a Rabbit savvy Vet (ie one able to carry out a Dental using appropriate equipment and under GA) now would be a good idea :?
 
Sometimes she eats lots of hay and sometimes she doesn't eat much at all. There have been days when the hay rack's needed refilling once or twice, and there have been days when the hay rack is full all day and she hasn't eaten any. If I find another vet, will that cause problems with the vets I go to now? I'm guessing the rabbit savvy vets would all be further away than the vets I go to now, which is ok, but as I don't drive I'd rather get the vaccinations done at the vets I normally go to.
 
Sometimes she eats lots of hay and sometimes she doesn't eat much at all. There have been days when the hay rack's needed refilling once or twice, and there have been days when the hay rack is full all day and she hasn't eaten any. If I find another vet, will that cause problems with the vets I go to now? I'm guessing the rabbit savvy vets would all be further away than the vets I go to now, which is ok, but as I don't drive I'd rather get the vaccinations done at the vets I normally go to.


Personally I prefer to remain with one Veterinary Practice for continuity of care. I do think that it is particularly important to have a good Rabbit Vet when dealing with Dental problems. Inappropriate management of Dental problems can cause a lot of difficulties longterm and work out more costly in the end.

My advice would be to find a Vet with whom you can develop a good working relationship and whom you can feel confident in with regards to managing what might be a lifelong problem xx
 
Personally I prefer to remain with one Veterinary Practice for continuity of care. I do think that it is particularly important to have a good Rabbit Vet when dealing with Dental problems. Inappropriate management of Dental problems can cause a lot of difficulties longterm and work out more costly in the end.

My advice would be to find a Vet with whom you can develop a good working relationship and whom you can feel confident in with regards to managing what might be a lifelong problem xx

Ok thank you :) Sorry I keep asking questions I just get confused easily :oops: :lol: I've asked in rabbit chat for rabbit savvy vets recommendations :)
 
Ok thank you :) Sorry I keep asking questions I just get confused easily :oops: :lol: I've asked in rabbit chat for rabbit savvy vets recommendations :)

I live my life in a permanent state of confusion !! :lol:

Hopefully someone in your area will be able to recommend a good Vet :)
 
Can't really describe them more than everyone else has. Mischief has to go to the vets for a dental every few months because off spurs on his teeth. I hope Izzy wont be the same. :(
 
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