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clarebear
15-08-2011, 04:44 PM
is it okay to let them run around in the garden free ranging together? Supervised of course.

chul
15-08-2011, 04:45 PM
No, they should not be given too much space too quickly.

whitehood
15-08-2011, 04:47 PM
To bond you need a small space, letting them free range in the garden isn't a small space.

Even if you wanted to give them a small space in the garden, you'd be confusing them and stressing them out as their environments keep changing.

:wave:

Babsie
15-08-2011, 04:47 PM
Agree with Chul. Too much space too quickly can lead to disaster.

GrahamL
15-08-2011, 04:48 PM
is it okay to let them run around in the garden free ranging together? Supervised of course.

No :wave:

You're asking for a problem unfortunately if you do that.

Keep it small and only extend a little (maybe by 2 sq ft) after ~48 hrs of no quarrel. Then follow same procedure for at least a week :)

Although, everybun is different, this seems to be a pretty good basis to work upon.

Babsie
15-08-2011, 04:49 PM
To bond you need a small space, letting them free range in the garden isn't a small space.

Even if you wanted to give them a small space in the garden, you'd be confusing them and stressing them out as their environments keep changing.

:wave:

If I remember rightly, you learned this lesson the hard way.

clarebear
15-08-2011, 04:49 PM
I've been putting them in a playpen together on the patio each evening, but when OH was cleaning them out last night he let them both out.....I didn't think he should have.

I am hoping to bring them inside at the end of the week and keep them together for 48 hours to see how things go. I'll be sleeping next to them.

So far it's been going well......but we'll see!

GrahamL
15-08-2011, 04:52 PM
I've been putting them in a playpen together on the patio each evening, but when OH was cleaning them out last night he let them both out.....I didn't think he should have.

I am hoping to bring them inside at the end of the week and keep them together for 48 hours to see how things go. I'll be sleeping next to them.

So far it's been going well......but we'll see!

So are you dating them, then putting them back in the shed TOGETHER? :?

Can you explain EXACTLY what you are doing ?

clarebear
15-08-2011, 04:55 PM
I'm giving them time together each day in a playpen, then they go back into their own hutches/runs......I thought this was right for slow bonding?

whitehood
15-08-2011, 04:56 PM
I think it's best to leave them in the house ..
For 72 hours.. Without increasing any space.

You can't keep moving them place to place. :wave:



I'm giving them time together each day in a playpen, then they go back into their own hutches/runs......I thought this was right for slow bonding?

If you think they're getting on good and you think their personalities match then why don't you bond them and get it over with :)
Depending if you're free for 3 days to supervise

Babsie
15-08-2011, 04:57 PM
I've been putting them in a playpen together on the patio each evening, but when OH was cleaning them out last night he let them both out.....I didn't think he should have.

I am hoping to bring them inside at the end of the week and keep them together for 48 hours to see how things go. I'll be sleeping next to them.

So far it's been going well......but we'll see!

Have I misunderstood - are you keeping them separately and then putting them together each evening? Think once you start bonding, you keep them together (after a period of keeping cages/hutches side by side).

clarebear
15-08-2011, 05:00 PM
Oh no I'm so confused! :?

I brought a book, and it said that if I wanted to 'slow bond' them, they should be put in together for a 'date' each day and then seperated again.....is this not right?

GrahamL
15-08-2011, 05:02 PM
Oh no I'm so confused! :?

I brought a book, and it said that if I wanted to 'slow bond' them, they should be put in together for a 'date' each day and then seperated again.....is this not right?

Yes, that's the date method, and it's only really any good for bunnies who 'need' slow bonding.

If you have a solid 5-7 days, would it be possible to go for the 'full bond' ?

chelle
15-08-2011, 05:02 PM
Ive not done slow -dating/bonding before...but did think that the process was short dates every day - always ending on a good note...so before any tension came up etc. and to start for 10-15 mins and gradually increase over a few days until they can spend a half hour together...then the following week work till an hour etc...its a slow process and one which needs to always end on a good note else the buns remember it being bad last time they last saw the other bun.

I may be in-correct but thats slow bonding as far as I know.

As for increasing the space....well - it can all go wrong and end up withinjured buns...so best to try not let them have that until you are certain their hierachy has been worked out.

I think the excitement of being in a larger space lets them move and run and this can sometimes spark off circling and fighting. It can be intentional and other times they just get caught up...

Ive bonded in a small space and increased it slowly after one week...this was a trio bonding and the space was 4X2ft....after the first week another 2ft were added...so very gradual....goodluck!:wave:

clarebear
15-08-2011, 05:10 PM
Yes, that's the date method, and it's only really any good for bunnies who 'need' slow bonding.

If you have a solid 5-7 days, would it be possible to go for the 'full bond' ?

I would love to just get them bonded and in together. They have had hutches and runs next to each other since May, so they know each other 'through' the wire pretty well. I've been doing the date method for a couple of weeks now, and was going to bring them indoors and do the full bond this weekend, over 4-5 days. Would this be any good? I have a small playpen that I've been using outside, but could easily bring it indoors.

I'd be grateful for any advice! :wave:

thenamesJT
15-08-2011, 05:11 PM
Both times I done the slow bonding 'dating' technique over a period of a week.

It was successful for me.

clarebear
15-08-2011, 05:15 PM
Both times I done the slow bonding 'dating' technique over a period of a week.

It was successful for me.

How did you do it please? :wave:

Elena
15-08-2011, 05:28 PM
When I was bonding the quad I let them outside one day in a slightly bigger space. It helped them to let off some steam and there wasn't one hint of an upset outside. So in the right circumstances I think a bit of time in a larger space is good, I wouldn't go as big as a whole garden though.

happysaz133
15-08-2011, 05:39 PM
When I was bonding the quad I let them outside one day in a slightly bigger space. It helped them to let off some steam and there wasn't one hint of an upset outside. So in the right circumstances I think a bit of time in a larger space is good, I wouldn't go as big as a whole garden though.

This is what I did with my three, and honestly, I wouldn't have done it any other way! They completely love each other.

Santa
15-08-2011, 05:55 PM
I would love to just get them bonded and in together. They have had hutches and runs next to each other since May, so they know each other 'through' the wire pretty well. I've been doing the date method for a couple of weeks now, and was going to bring them indoors and do the full bond this weekend, over 4-5 days. Would this be any good? I have a small playpen that I've been using outside, but could easily bring it indoors.

I'd be grateful for any advice! :wave:

If you've got 4-5 days this coming weekend then I would suggest bringing them indoors with the playpen and getting it over and done with all in one go. The thing with slow bonding is that you end up going back almost to square 1 every time you start, because they will all have gone back to their own territories and re-established themselves as single bunnies in their own space each time. It sounds as if things are going ok with their slow bonding, so if you've got 4-5 days this weekend, that should hopefully be enough that you can get the process finished. Basically treat it as if you're starting the bond from scratch, but instead of physically separating them, let them hump each other (within reason) if that's what they need to do, but if they start to circle, fight or hump incessantly, or on the head, then gently hold the buns apart for the count of 10...but don't completely separate them unless it's obvious that they're properly fighting each other and won't calm down when you hold them apart. By the sound of things, it's been going fine in your slow sessions, so hopefully they are already a little used to each other and that may make it easier - but don't count on it, as it will speed up things that might have happened anyway in your slow approach so also don't be surprised if it is different if they stay together.

I would absolutely not advise letting them out in a large space together at this stage. I'm sure plenty of people have done it and not had any problems (and it sounds as if this is the case with you when your hubby let them out) but I also know of plenty of poeple who have done it and it has resulted in irrepairable arguments between the buns. For the sake of a couple of weeks more confined than normal, it's just not worth the risk, in my opinion.

Good luck :)

happysaz133
15-08-2011, 05:58 PM
I'm giving them time together each day in a playpen, then they go back into their own hutches/runs......I thought this was right for slow bonding?

That's the way I have done it, gradually over 3 weeks. They are now at the point where Arran is actually looking for the girls now, he seems happiest in the run with them, and upset when he's in his own hutch. They all groom and play in the run now. So they are moving in together this week!

Sky-O
15-08-2011, 06:20 PM
I've slow bonded when it has been best for the bunnies, but the whole point of doing a slow bond is to make sure that each date is a progression on the date before so that each time you are progressing towards them being bonded, not just reaching a stagnant position.

It does sound like changing your technique a bit would be worthwhile :)

clarebear
15-08-2011, 06:53 PM
Thank you for all your advice. I think I'll be going for it this weekend! :wave:

Grin
15-08-2011, 09:11 PM
Thank you for all your advice. I think I'll be going for it this weekend! :wave:

Good luck and keep us posted with lots of piccies!! :lol: Really hope it goes well for you all xx

littleboots
15-08-2011, 09:23 PM
I actually cant see the point of putting them together and then separating them.
I think its best to set some time aside and go for it:D
I got a girlie for little Dylan yesterday... they were introduced in a playpen in the garden... spent four hours in there... slept next to each other but in separate pens overnight... been together all day today ... and now sleeping together:D
Done!

Good luck.. hope it goes well:wave: