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Two Webinars For You to Listen To- Urinary Tract Disorders and GI Tract Disorders

Thanks for the link. :wave: I haven't got time to listen atm but will do so later.

If you don't mind, the link will probably be a good one to add to the Useful Topics thread in Health too. :D
 
Thanks for the link. :wave: I haven't got time to listen atm but will do so later.

If you don't mind, the link will probably be a good one to add to the Useful Topics thread in Health too. :D

Yes, I dont know how long the link will work for as I guess it will depend on how long it remains active on the Webinar Site :?

I think yesterday's lecture about Rabbit Anesthesia will be available soon too.
 
Brilliant - will listen later - I have to go to bed again usually at about 2pm for an hour and then again 7pm - as the slipped disc goes pain balistic at these times after being up a few hours!!! Usually I get really fed up with doing this but now I have something to look forward to!!!:lol::lol:
 
U/D As well as listening, there's also a PowerPoint with x rays of the buns/diagrams etc. just in case anyone hadn't realised.

I've done a screenshot of the various meds/dosages etc for future reference...
 
Yes, I dont know how long the link will work for as I guess it will depend on how long it remains active on the Webinar Site :?

I think yesterday's lecture about Rabbit Anesthesia will be available soon too.

I didn't think of that. :oops: Still, I will add it and hope that they leave it up forever more. :lol:
 
The calcium one is really interesting! Paula has low calcium levels ?? which we think has led to her arthritis and dental disease. The vet diagnosed this from a blood test not urine so I would be interseted to see the difference. He is also very reluctant to use GA on Paula as apparently there is research that shows GA's are more risky for bunnies with low calcium levels.

Will listen to the GI one later. Thanks for the link!
 
the subcut fluid suggestion in the GI one seems quite high?? (100mls per kg per 24 hrs)

what does anyone else think???

She also recommends meloxican and carprofen without giving the warning about rabbit having good stomach content to help stop ulceration - though she does mention imp of fluids before giving. I guess she just takes it for granted everyone knows this - but as were discussing anorexic rabbit it would have been good to emphasise (though she does mention it in post op)

interesting comment about cardiac problems with cisapride, I was not aware of this with rabbits.

would have liked many more xray examples

Also disappointing no discussion of pyloric stenosis or 'mega colon' or other more specialised problems

Some of the drugs to prevent post-op adhesion cannot be used in rabbits with poor kidney function (relevant with kidney stones/kidney ops)

BUT overall really interesting - it was great to be able to listen in to this sort of material`!!! Thanks Jacks Jane
 
I need to re-listen to the urinary tract one so I take in all the information and to listen completely to the GI one, when I get a chance.

I hadn't realised how common urinary tract issues are in bunnies (other species too, seemingly).

One interesting thing I picked up from the bladder sludge issues - Molly Vagra isn't keen on the use of diuretics for helping with bladder sludge issues (making them wee more but can't remember technical term), but FHB has believed it has been key to helping Artie and he's still on it despite his kidney stone issue). Molly V believes that it's more likely to cause the calcium to stay behind
 
I need to re-listen to the urinary tract one so I take in all the information and to listen completely to the GI one, when I get a chance.

One interesting thing I picked up from the bladder sludge issues - Molly Vagra isn't keen on the use of diuretics for helping with bladder sludge issues (making them wee more but can't remember technical term), but FHB has believed it has been key to helping Artie and he's still on it despite his kidney stone issue). Molly V believes that it's more likely to cause the calcium to stay behind

Oh the joys of Veterinary Medicine !! Even the experts have opposing opinions. Us lot dont stand a chance :lol:
 
Listened to calcium one now:

I suspect that her comments are relevant for many rabbits - especially hutch bound, muesli lix fed rabbits . . however . . .

Again my comments only based on my own experiences but here goes:

Teasal (housebun and my soul mate) had chronic bladder sludge and NONE of the external signs that she lists - only sign was the sludge he produced on weeing and the xrays - which meant that we had the sludge expressed about avery 6 weeks.. we did originally have him cathetered each time - but he had to have it s frequently we ended up having his manually expressed instead

He also had none of the predisposing factors she lists:

When put on an almost totally calcium free diet (no pellets at all, no green foods with moderate/high calcium etc etc) for three years nothing changed . . . . and we ended up so concerned about him having not enough calcium we gave up and let him eat what he wanted to again! The frequency of his sludge formation remained he same.

He was not overweight, not immobile, drank water normally, etc etc -

we concluded having looked at all this that it was a physiological thing to him in particular (ie that whatever level of calcium he took in he created sludge with it) and I do wonder if more rabbits have this than is widely recognised; and the calcium is blamed on other (dietary etc) factors.

Interesting that she does not place more emphasis on the probable role of EC in calcium change in kidneys. I have had 3 buns where EC has definitely been implicated in kidney calcification (not incl. Teasal). She only mentions it as an aspect of mobility - mine had no mobility problems but had EC related granulations

Again though, overall comment is that it was a very interesting lecture. Felt there were more relevant xrays on this one!
 
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Oh the joys of Veterinary Medicine !! Even the experts have opposing opinions. Us lot dont stand a chance :lol:

One of our vets was keen on using diuritics (Frusol) on Teasal - one wasnt.

In his case the diuritics gave him his only true case of cystitis and he was weeing every 30 secs poor soul. We took him off them pronto.
 
Oooh - and just remembered . . although it did not affect Teasal - we did discover that one of the major inputs of calcium in a rabbit diet in certain areas of the country (East Anglia especially) can be tap water and she does not emtnion water - just food!!!
 
Oooh - and just remembered . . although it did not affect Teasal - we did discover that one of the major inputs of calcium in a rabbit diet in certain areas of the country (East Anglia especially) can be tap water and she does not emtnion water - just food!!!


That's interesting! Can it be removed with a water filter? :wave:
 
That's interesting! Can it be removed with a water filter? :wave:

Not very successfully with a normal filter (and its a faff)

The best thing to do is to buy the cheapest bottled water with LOW calcium content.

We used Tescos own which is very very low in calcium and very cheap - the stuff that comes out of the taps in Cambridge is practically rocks!!!
 
Again my comments only based on my own experiences but here goes:

Teasal (housebun and my soul mate) had chronic bladder sludge and NONE of the external signs that she lists - only sign was the sludge he produced on weeing and the xrays - which meant that we had the sludge expressed about avery 6 weeks.. we did originally have him cathetered each time - but he had to have it s frequently we ended up having his manually expressed instead

He also had none of the predisposing factors she lists:

When put on an almost totally calcium free diet (no pellets at all, no green foods with moderate/high calcium etc etc) for three years nothing changed . . . . and we ended up so concerned about him having not enough calcium we gave up and let him eat what he wanted to again! The frequency of his sludge formation remained he same.

He was not overweight, not immobile, drank water normally, etc etc -

we concluded having looked at all this that it was a physiological thing to him in particular (ie that whatever level of calcium he took in he created sludge with it) and I do wonder if more rabbits have this than is widely recognised; and the calcium is blamed on other (dietary etc) factors.

Interesting that she does not place more emphasis on the probable role of EC in calcium change in kidneys. I have had 3 buns where EC has definitely been implicated in kidney calcification (not incl. Teasal). She only mentions it as an aspect of mobility - mine had no mobility problems but had EC related granulations

Again though, overall comment is that it was a very interesting lecture. Felt there were more relevant xrays on this one!

Artie doesn't seem to have the predisposing factors either. Since his cystotomy 2.25 years ago FHB has been very happy with his weight, he's an active rabbit, always has been. He's always drunk a lot as well, though had a bottle until 3 years ago when I started giving him a bowl. I've never know Artie suffer from EC and he's been here since 11 weeks old, he has been EC tested but I don't know the results yet.

With Artie there is most likely a physiological reason for his calcium retention too. There is a line shows up on x-ray on his bladder that FHB doesn't understand, she's seen it on other x-rays since but doesn't know what it is. She believes he doesn't empty his bladder fully so the sediment stays in there instead of emptying with the fluid - the line on the x-ray *could* be some abnormality in his bladder. He's not had high calcium foods in 2.25 years and yet went on to get kidney stones. It is fascinating to piece together, just wish we had the answers :?
 
Artie doesn't seem to have the predisposing factors either. Since his cystotomy 2.25 years ago FHB has been very happy with his weight, he's an active rabbit, always has been. He's always drunk a lot as well, though had a bottle until 3 years ago when I started giving him a bowl. I've never know Artie suffer from EC and he's been here since 11 weeks old, he has been EC tested but I don't know the results yet.

With Artie there is most likely a physiological reason for his calcium retention too. There is a line shows up on x-ray on his bladder that FHB doesn't understand, she's seen it on other x-rays since but doesn't know what it is. She believes he doesn't empty his bladder fully so the sediment stays in there instead of emptying with the fluid - the line on the x-ray *could* be some abnormality in his bladder. He's not had high calcium foods in 2.25 years and yet went on to get kidney stones. It is fascinating to piece together, just wish we had the answers :?

This seems SO much like Teasal - they thought he also may not empty bladder fully - and now and again we gave valium so that he would literally loose it all!! He also had valium if he was going in to be expressed.

Teasal did not have active EC ever - though like most buns he may have had it as a carrier - but that seems to cause granulations in kidney rather than true sludge

Good luck with Artie - we never 'cured' Teasals sludge - but he was 9.5 years old when he died quite suddenly after a long and happy and active life of unrelated heart failure (there was no calification of arteries so not connected - just old age!!)
 
by the way you should be able to look up on the web the calcium content of tap water in your area - so worth checking and seeing if its at all worth getting bottled water
 
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