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Help - behaviour problem, I don't know what to do!

Hi there, this is my first post but I really hope you are able to help me! Soz for the amount of detail below but am really hoping that someone can help.

I have a gorgeous male dutch rabbit who lives outdoors. He is 2 years old, neutered at around 10 months after he started to occasionally hump. We wanted to do it earlier but only one of his testicles had dropped, bless him, and the vet wanted to see if the other dropped naturally. Following the op, we were told his behaviour would start to change after 4 - 8 weeks but it didn’t - after a few months (as winter came) he did eventually stop humping.

However, this spring (i.e. the first spring after his op) he literally woke up one morning and started humping at the sign of any kind of human contact. He’ll sit peacefully and happily when you’re not there, but the moment he hears me open the door to go and see him, he starts heavy breathing, runs back and forth and if you go to stroke him / put an arm or a foot in his run, he’ll hump incessantly. He even ignores food until you’re gone, only noticing it when he calms down.

As a result, it’s impossible to spend any time with him at all.(the humping isn’t ideal, but he also uses his claws and teeth to hold on while he’s at it). I followed the local rabbit-specialist vet’s advice, and got him a toy to hump, and spray him with water when he does it to teach that it’s unacceptable behaviour. We are doing this, but it hasn’t made a difference - the spraying doesn’t put him off and the behaviour has continued. I wanted him to be able to come and hang out in the house but with this behaviour it just isn't possible.

No-one I speak to (incl 3 vets) has encountered this from a castrated bun before, all say that it must be learned behaviour and that he must be a naturally dominant bun - but this puzzles me because a) he wasn’t like this before he was neutered (he was much more selective about who he humped!!) and b) it doesn’t seem like aggression to me. I wondered if the op hadn’t been done properly (they had to open him up to get the second testicle) but the local vet said that the notes indicate that it went to plan, and the only check would be an ultrasound scan for remaining tissues but this would cost £250, which unfortunately I can’t afford. I asked for the vet to come out to see his behaviour, but he said there was no point.

Has anyone had a similar experience? Is there someone that can give some advice on what to do? I really miss him - as it feels like I don’t have a bunny rabbit any more. He lives on his own, so I’m worried about his lack of human interaction, I would consider getting another rabbit but don’t think his amorous advances would go down very well - presumably another bun would fight back, would this be a good thing or bad?

Apologies again for the length of this post but I really am at the end of my tether. :(
 
It sounds a lot like a hormonal bunny - unfortunately, its possible some of the tissue was missed and so he's not 100% castrated.

Unfortunately, it being spring time, humping is VERY common and even neutered/spayed rabbits become hump crazy as their hormones are sensitive to the changing light conditions.

Just thinking out of the box here...have you ever considered getting him a female friend from a rescue? He could be lonely and frustrated and craving attention :) With the right kind of doe, he could be fine :)

Also, please do NOT spray him with a water bottle :( This can cause him to associate you with bad things and so could make him aggressive.

Rabbits can't learn from being told off, they can only learn from positive enforcement.
 
I'm really sorry to hear this. I'm not sure what to suggest, the only thing I can say is that I would steer clear of spraying him as this is unlikely to make him stop.

Rabbits do get what we refer to as 'spring fever' when in spring they get hormonal but rarely to that extent. The only thing I can think of is that maybe something was missed or possibly he's a hermaphrodite? Girls do hump as well. I'm not sure another bunny is the answer until he's humping has calmed down, it's likely to only upset the other rabbit and trigger a fight unless you find a very submissive doe.

Hopefully someone else will be along and can offer some other suggestions. (Ok Gray's post wasn't there when I started ;):p)
 
Did they remove the undecended testical aswell as the one which had dropped?

I think Honeybunnies had an overly amourous neutered male but I can't remember if they ever found out exactly why he behaved so hormonal.
 
Is he is in a hutch ? It's just that this sounds like hormonal behaviour which is normal even in neutered young bucks and 'cabin fever', my guess he is bored, lonely and needs an outlet for his frustration which is you.

He needs at least 4 hours to run around ideally and let of steam and exercise and wear himself out a bit, jumping digging etc, he needs mental stimulation in the form of toys or treats scattered on his hay in the hutch so he has to forage and far from less contact he needs more, if he is latching onto you gently say 'no' firmly and gently move him and offer a treat/sprig of dill/herb you need to keep repeating it calmly and patiently till he associates not humping your arm with nice things/pleasure. :wave:
 
They say that they did remove the undescended testical - and according to my new local vet, the surgery notes also back this up. I would query whether this was done completely, but the only way to investigate this would be with a £250 ultrascan!

Thanks so much for all the comments - I'll stop spraying him - I'm pleased about this becuase I hated doing it, please do know though that I was only acting on the vet's advice! :oops:
 
They say that they did remove the undescended testical - and according to my new local vet, the surgery notes also back this up. I would query whether this was done completely, but the only way to investigate this would be with a £250 ultrascan!

Thanks so much for all the comments - I'll stop spraying him - I'm pleased about this becuase I hated doing it, please do know though that I was only acting on the vet's advice! :oops:

I know, unfortunately, there is a lot of information out there about rabbits that isn't quite right. Lots of vets aren't necessarily 'rabbit savvy' meaning, they dont know as much as they could/should do.

If you are looking for a decent vet, it might be worth starting a thread in 'Rabbit Chat' - stating "Rabbit Savvy Vet in <your town>" :)
 
They say that they did remove the undescended testical - and according to my new local vet, the surgery notes also back this up. I would query whether this was done completely, but the only way to investigate this would be with a £250 ultrascan!

Thanks so much for all the comments - I'll stop spraying him - I'm pleased about this becuase I hated doing it, please do know though that I was only acting on the vet's advice! :oops:

Please don't beat yourself up about the spraying - we all make mistakes, despite having the best of intentions.

Echo, our oldest boy bun can be a bit too 'over-friendly' at this time of year, as he wasn't neutered until he was 2 (learned behaviour). He too had an undecended testicle, and had a complicated neuter.
I think perhaps its a combination of learned behaviour, spring fever, and maybe loneliness/attention seeking?

I'd suggest trying him with a girl bun - but ONLY in collaboration with a local rescue, who have experience of bonding. They should be able to match your excitable boy with a girly to suit.

Keep us posted as to how he's doing!
 
I'd suggest trying him with a girl bun - but ONLY in collaboration with a local rescue, who have experience of bonding. They should be able to match your excitable boy with a girly to suit.

I agree with this. He could potentially be a difficult bun to bond and would be better if he could be tried with a few girlies to find the best match. Not all girls will but up with such over amourous behaviour.
 
If your able to try him as a house rabbit go for it, the increased exercise and mental stimulation will calm him down in time.:)
 
Amy104 that post link is amazing, and Alfagirl I can’t tell you how comforting it is to see that there are other people that have a similar problem! I am so glad I found this forum!!

Ultimately, I’d love to get him a partner in crime but first I’ll need to sort out housing etc. Bonding is completely new to me so I’d definitely be more confident working with a rescue to do this. Vicki P, he has a hutch with a permanent run attached so has lots of room to run around and lots of toys which we change and rotate. From all the comments though it does sound like he needs more stimulation, maybe I’ll let him run around in the house for a new place to explore in the mean time, but unfortunately we’re not able to have him as a house bun.

I tried putting on wellies and letting him hump (and bite and everything that goes with it) but the only way to remove him was to be quite forceful, which I found quite distressing. He’s a tenacious little monkey! I also worried that I was encouraging the behaviour by letting it happen.

Thanks again for the comments, it is such a relief to know that there are avenues I can look into to manage his behaviour.
 
Amy104 that post link is amazing, and Alfagirl I can’t tell you how comforting it is to see that there are other people that have a similar problem! I am so glad I found this forum!!

Ultimately, I’d love to get him a partner in crime but first I’ll need to sort out housing etc. Bonding is completely new to me so I’d definitely be more confident working with a rescue to do this. Vicki P, he has a hutch with a permanent run attached so has lots of room to run around and lots of toys which we change and rotate. From all the comments though it does sound like he needs more stimulation, maybe I’ll let him run around in the house for a new place to explore in the mean time, but unfortunately we’re not able to have him as a house bun.

I tried putting on wellies and letting him hump (and bite and everything that goes with it) but the only way to remove him was to be quite forceful, which I found quite distressing. He’s a tenacious little monkey! I also worried that I was encouraging the behaviour by letting it happen.

Thanks again for the comments, it is such a relief to know that there are avenues I can look into to manage his behaviour.

I have a dutch doe and out of all my rabbits she is the most intelligent, energetic, fearless and agile - she is a ball of energy you can hear her little head going tick tick tick what can I do now ?:lol: I'd imagine if males are the same then it's age/breed related he will chill out but they are excellent runners and jumpers she can jump way higher than my lops and rex!;)
 
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