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The Duchess
31-05-2011, 09:51 PM
Jenny from Crawley Guinea Pig Rescue has just dropped the lovely pair of harlequin girls off to me after managing to 'adopt' them from the RSPCA.

Thanks to Jenny and Debbie for driving them up to me, thanks to the vets for seeking help to get them out to a safe house and a massive thanks to Sooz for raising the alarm.

I'll post photos tomorrow but let me tell you they are totally gorgeous. Aggressive my ****. They are lovely and friendly, very inquisitive and just stunning.

meadowsweet
31-05-2011, 09:57 PM
will look forward to seeing them:wave:

LauryStevens
31-05-2011, 09:58 PM
Good for you :D Lucky bunnies!

shelley
31-05-2011, 10:05 PM
aww thats wonderful news, well done to all involved. I hope they find the forever homes they deserve!

antigone
31-05-2011, 10:07 PM
Well done for saving their lives! :wave:

helgalush
31-05-2011, 10:09 PM
I'm glad they are safe with you Helen and I will look forward to seeing their pics! :)

The Duchess
31-05-2011, 10:15 PM
This is all thanks to Jenny and to Sooz. I didn't have space to help until Morris passed away and then it made sense for me to take them as Jen's was full to bursting. She drove this forward not me.

So very happy that they are here. They will be rehomed to the first decent home who understands what rabbits do and I feel sure that the first to view them will fall in love.

VickiP
31-05-2011, 10:19 PM
I've missed this story but it sounds like a happy ending for 2 lucky doe's - :D

Rhian33
31-05-2011, 10:23 PM
I missed theis too. The RSPCA PTS "aggressive" bunnies? What?

The Duchess
31-05-2011, 10:24 PM
I've missed this story but it sounds like a happy ending for 2 lucky doe's - :D

http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/showthread.php?t=289756

Beggars belief Vicki that these girls might have been PTS when there is nothing wrong with them but were returned to the 'rescue' as aggressive.:shock:

Rhian33
31-05-2011, 10:28 PM
http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/showthread.php?t=289756

Beggars belief Vicki that these girls might have been PTS when there is nothing wrong with them but were returned to the 'rescue' as aggressive.:shock:

And? Fair enough I don't take in aggressive rabbits as I only have space for 1 group and I already have my quota but I do take aggressive rodents so assume there must be plenty of people who rehabilitate aggressive rabbits. Most of the time I'm sure a little understanding and neutering does the trick or just not trying to cuddle them at every possible opportunity.

poppymoon
31-05-2011, 10:29 PM
:shock:
thank goodness they were found out about!! well done to all concerned:love:

my dream is to have a huge outdoor place for un-snuggly bunnies to just be safe to be just bunnies.....

VickiP
31-05-2011, 10:32 PM
http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/showthread.php?t=289756

Beggars belief Vicki that these girls might have been PTS when there is nothing wrong with them but were returned to the 'rescue' as aggressive.:shock:

:shock: Quite worrying - I'm confused though, so they weren't aggressive when the RPSCA home checked the 'adopters' and rehomed them but they were when they were returned so deserved to be destroyed? There's something not right with this surely? It has to be a case of rehoming to people who don't know rabbits very well and or didn't realise the commitment/expense and the poor doe's have been through god only knows as a result of being pushed pillar to post so are grouchy and the 'staff' have already filled their places and can't make exceptions:roll: Whichever way I try and fathom it I'm left feeling a bit worried about this, are you going to follow up on this with a report/letter?

The Duchess
31-05-2011, 10:32 PM
:shock:
thank goodness they were found out about!! well done to all concerned:love:

my dream is to have a huge outdoor place for un-snuggly bunnies to just be safe to be just bunnies.....

Yeah my dream too!

Oh! I already do :lol::lol::lol:

But you know what, they just aren't unsnuggly. they are amazing! And theyve only been here for about an hour.

The Duchess
31-05-2011, 10:33 PM
:shock: Quite worrying - I'm confused though, so they weren't aggressive when the RPSCA home checked the 'adopters' and rehomed them but they were when they were returned so deserved to be destroyed? There's something not right with this surely? It has to be a case of rehoming to people who don't know rabbits very well and or didn't realise the commitment/expense and the poor doe's have been through god only knows as a result of being pushed pillar to post so are grouchy and the 'staff' have already filled their places and can't make exceptions:roll: Whichever way I try and fathom it I'm left feeling a bit worried about this, are you going to follow up on this with a report/letter?

Yes :)

VickiP
31-05-2011, 10:33 PM
And? Fair enough I don't take in aggressive rabbits as I only have space for 1 group and I already have my quota but I do take aggressive rodents so assume there must be plenty of people who rehabilitate aggressive rabbits. Most of the time I'm sure a little understanding and neutering does the trick or just not trying to cuddle them at every possible opportunity.

And what? Are you suggesting that they should be PTS?:shock:

VickiP
31-05-2011, 10:36 PM
Yes :)

Cool, something's gone wrong somewhere, either the homechecker or the 'staff' dealing with the rabbits need training or they need to expand their 'facillity' rather than PTS when the animals are not actually to blame - they could have asked for the hutch from the 'adopters' or are they getting 'other' rabbits now that aren't aggressive, probably going out to get 2 baby ones from the pet shop - 2 brothers :roll: At least they are safe now, poor little loves. Well done you !:love:

Rhian33
31-05-2011, 10:39 PM
And what? Are you suggesting that they should be PTS?:shock:

No no no, quite the opposite. I'm shocked they would even consider it. Aggression is normally just a front for what is going on under the surface. My and was directed at the RSPCA and their supposed diagnosis of "aggression" which quite frankly is meaningless.

I can see how aggressive dogs get PTS ( I don't agree with that either) as they can escape and attack someone or even attack a child in the home. How much damage can a rabbit possibly do assuming it is rehomed to an adults only home who are clued up about possible behaviour problems?

VickiP
31-05-2011, 10:47 PM
No no no, quite the opposite. I'm shocked they would even consider it. Aggression is normally just a front for what is going on under the surface. My and was directed at the RSPCA and their supposed diagnosis of "aggression" which quite frankly is meaningless.

I can see how aggressive dogs get PTS ( I don't agree with that either) as they can escape and attack someone or even attack a child in the home. How much damage can a rabbit possibly do assuming it is rehomed to an adults only home who are clued up about possible behaviour problems?

Oh OK I see what you mean, I thought you were saying they were doing the right thing by PTS - I think, at least hoped, that they would have the 'expertise' on board to assess the situation and at least try to establish why the rabbits are behaving that way, what might have caused it and then as you say if necessary apply a 'homing only to a suitable home with young adults/adults' etc - it's very odd and quite worrying given they never seem to be 'overun' with rabbits, makes you wonder how many others have suffered the same fate, not been so lucky.

Rhian33
31-05-2011, 10:50 PM
Oh OK I see what you mean, I thought you were saying they were doing the right thing by PTS - I think, at least hoped, that they would have the 'expertise' on board to assess the situation and at least try to establish why the rabbits are behaving that way, what might have caused it and then as you say if necessary apply a 'homing only to a suitable home with young adults/adults' etc - it's very odd and quite worrying given they never seem to be 'overun' with rabbits, makes you wonder how many others have suffered the same fate, not been so lucky.

Exactly. The organisation that is meant to be the number one organisation in the country for knowing about animals, animal needs and animal welfare it really is worrying. Fair enough if an individual branch isn't really as clued up as they could be on a particular species but at least send them to a branch that is.

VickiP
31-05-2011, 11:02 PM
Exactly. The organisation that is meant to be the number one organisation in the country for knowing about animals, animal needs and animal welfare it really is worrying. Fair enough if an individual branch isn't really as clued up as they could be on a particular species but at least send them to a branch that is.

Yes or work closely with a rescue to get advice/staff training or something like that, even if they had liased with a rescue to get 'fostering' or something till they had more space available perhaps? :?

Rhian33
31-05-2011, 11:04 PM
Yes or work closely with a rescue to get advice/staff training or something like that, even if they had liased with a rescue to get 'fostering' or something till they had more space available perhaps? :?

One small detail - RSPCA staff are only allowed (officially) to get RSPCA training so are not allowed to ask an external organisation to provide training.

Captain Helen
31-05-2011, 11:13 PM
Well done for giving these girls a second chance! :)

helgalush
31-05-2011, 11:24 PM
Yeah my dream too!

Oh! I already do :lol::lol::lol:

But you know what, they just aren't unsnuggly. they are amazing! And theyve only been here for about an hour.

Aww they sound lovely! I had an inkling they might be, something didnt seem to add up with the RSPCA thingy...

Tracy
31-05-2011, 11:25 PM
Well done for saving these little girlies. :wave:

The Duchess
01-06-2011, 07:17 AM
Couple of photos from this morning.

I can see these two will be a handful. They are a million miles an hour, a bit destructive and I can see how this in itself might be why they have been given back. But how can you say that to the RSPCA - "they dug out all of their litter tray and chewed the hutch so I want to give them back" I don't think so. As for being aggressive, this so couldn't be further from the truth.

So here they are:

Two girlies, one much paler than the other.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii277/helenmhalliday/Horsham%20Harlequins/FirstMorning015.jpg

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii277/helenmhalliday/Horsham%20Harlequins/FirstMorning017.jpg

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii277/helenmhalliday/Horsham%20Harlequins/FirstMorning012.jpg

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii277/helenmhalliday/Horsham%20Harlequins/FirstMorning032.jpg

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii277/helenmhalliday/Horsham%20Harlequins/FirstMorning033.jpg

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii277/helenmhalliday/Horsham%20Harlequins/FirstMorning001.jpg

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii277/helenmhalliday/Horsham%20Harlequins/FirstMorning023.jpg

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii277/helenmhalliday/Horsham%20Harlequins/FirstMorning019.jpg

Bea & Floss
01-06-2011, 07:27 AM
Wow they are beautiful :love::love::love:

gwaterhouse
01-06-2011, 07:59 AM
They are lovely, such gorgeous rabbits!

Alibunmum
01-06-2011, 08:09 AM
:love::love::love:

They are beautiful. I am sure they'll find a new home quickly!

Tuckerbunnies
01-06-2011, 08:11 AM
Oh they are absolutely beautiful :love::love:

GrahamL
01-06-2011, 08:20 AM
OH Dear.

Heart Strings being tugged at...

Mrs. Bunnykins
01-06-2011, 08:21 AM
What adorable girls. xxxxx

I should imagine that they are just bursting with life and just want to have fun.

The right home will come along for them very soon. Fingers, toes and paws crossed.

beckie20
01-06-2011, 08:25 AM
They look terrifying :roll:

So when am I allowed up to meet them :D

Azraelm
01-06-2011, 08:30 AM
Aww well done, fab job! :love:

I suggest you be careful around them for a while as a bun I saved for being PTS for the same reason a few years ago ended up giving me a nasty bite after I was convinced they'd got it wrong. Still not a reason to end their life, but just a thought!

poppymoon
01-06-2011, 08:35 AM
stunning:love:

i love naughty bunnies:lol:

Fluffers
01-06-2011, 08:47 AM
Well done Helen :wave: They are very pretty indeed :love:

biscuitblossom
01-06-2011, 08:50 AM
They're beautiful! :love:

Hope they find the home they deserve now.

willowholly
01-06-2011, 09:01 AM
Beautiful,beautiful buns:love:Well done you.:D

Gemmapookie
01-06-2011, 09:08 AM
Aww I remember Sooz's thread about these buns. Im SO happy they are safe, what beautiful little girls :love:
A huge well done to everyone involved :wave:

prettylupin
01-06-2011, 09:11 AM
:love::love: They are GORGEOUS!! :shock::shock:

I'm shocked they were going to be PTS, that's outrageous given their condition and temperament :cry::cry: Well done Helen for taking them :D:D and well done Sooz and friend for rescuing them.... what an amazing thing you have done :love:

mattyp
01-06-2011, 09:22 AM
Please don't let them eat me Helen they look ferrocious! :(



:love:

The Duchess
01-06-2011, 09:34 AM
Aww well done, fab job! :love:

I suggest you be careful around them for a while as a bun I saved for being PTS for the same reason a few years ago ended up giving me a nasty bite after I was convinced they'd got it wrong. Still not a reason to end their life, but just a thought!

I suspect that if they did nip or lunge before it would have been defensive so yes am on the cautious side but I dont' mind the biting - I'm used to it!:D

But of course they will need to settle and be properly assessed, then rehomed correctly to people how understand exactly what having energetic rabbits is all about. The are quite boisterous so I'd say just based on their current behaviour, not to a family with very young children who expect rabbits that can be 'petted'.

I can see these girls would have been desperately unhappy in small accommodation (in otherwords the minimum rehoming standard of the RSPCA of 5x2x2 - our local main branch's minimum) and would have been desperate for more room. They will probably need a very, very large run to allow them to demonstrate their natural exhuberance.

Am going to keep them confined for a few days as we've had a bit of dominant behaviour from the lighter coloured sister - presumeably as they want to claim the new territory. Something to watch closely so we don't a falling out.

The Duchess
01-06-2011, 10:04 AM
here http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/showthread.php?p=4697577#post4697577

willowholly
01-06-2011, 10:37 AM
here http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/showthread.php?p=4697577#post4697577
Beautiful:love:

Azraelm
01-06-2011, 11:15 AM
I suspect that if they did nip or lunge before it would have been defensive so yes am on the cautious side but I dont' mind the biting - I'm used to it!:D

But of course they will need to settle and be properly assessed, then rehomed correctly to people how understand exactly what having energetic rabbits is all about. The are quite boisterous so I'd say just based on their current behaviour, not to a family with very young children who expect rabbits that can be 'petted'.

I can see these girls would have been desperately unhappy in small accommodation (in otherwords the minimum rehoming standard of the RSPCA of 5x2x2 - our local main branch's minimum) and would have been desperate for more room. They will probably need a very, very large run to allow them to demonstrate their natural exhuberance.

Am going to keep them confined for a few days as we've had a bit of dominant behaviour from the lighter coloured sister - presumeably as they want to claim the new territory. Something to watch closely so we don't a falling out.

Yes I agree, they don't do it out of a liking for biting people - there are real reasons behind it, as you say like frustration from being kept in small accomodation or handled wrongly.

Hans, my bitey bun got better when he was neutered, but I think his problems stemmed from how he was kept before. He was super intelligent, much more so than any rabbit I've ever had so he must have been very bored and frustrated in a tiny hutch.

They are very lucky to have ended up with you.

helgalush
01-06-2011, 11:21 AM
They are scrumptious! :love::love::love:

Captain Helen
01-06-2011, 11:22 AM
Aww, they're beautiful! :love:

Piggiesgalore
01-06-2011, 04:13 PM
Have been following these girls story via Jen's FB page - so glad they have found their way to you Helen. They are truly stunning young ladies,:love: I'm sure the right people will come forward to offer these beauties theiforever home they deserve, but in the meantime they have your fantastic facilities to enjoy.:D

The Duchess
01-06-2011, 04:23 PM
A very stressed and unhappy Truly this afternoon.

Do you think she's made herself at home? LOL

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii277/helenmhalliday/Horsham%20Harlequins/FirstMorning065.jpg

mattyp
01-06-2011, 04:35 PM
She looks so lovely! How could anyone consider putting her to sleep! ? :(

helgalush
01-06-2011, 04:36 PM
Aw bless her furry socks! :love:

Kirsty&Lola
01-06-2011, 06:28 PM
Sooz will be so happy to see this! She is a little busy with a new addition to the family at the moment but i'm sure she will be back online soon.

What a wonderful outcome.

hurricanhoney
01-06-2011, 09:08 PM
Very pretty :love:

Rhian33
01-06-2011, 09:12 PM
So pretty :love:

Sooz
05-06-2011, 08:10 PM
Sorry for my delayed response, I ended up going in to labour on Tuesday and my little girl has kept me busy since (plus the hospital wouldn't let me out until Friday afternoon)!

Thanks for the update, they are stunning little things and thank you so much for organising help for them, I was doubtful I'd be able to save them from so far away but my friend (the vet) didn't know who else to ask! Please thank Jenny for me too, I really appreciate her help. :D:wave:

Lspacehopper
05-06-2011, 09:05 PM
Couple of photos from this morning.

I can see these two will be a handful. They are a million miles an hour, a bit destructive and I can see how this in itself might be why they have been given back. But how can you say that to the RSPCA - "they dug out all of their litter tray and chewed the hutch so I want to give them back" I don't think so. As for being aggressive, this so couldn't be further from the truth.

So here they are:

Two girlies, one much paler than the other.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii277/helenmhalliday/Horsham%20Harlequins/FirstMorning015.jpg

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii277/helenmhalliday/Horsham%20Harlequins/FirstMorning017.jpg

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii277/helenmhalliday/Horsham%20Harlequins/FirstMorning012.jpg

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii277/helenmhalliday/Horsham%20Harlequins/FirstMorning032.jpg

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii277/helenmhalliday/Horsham%20Harlequins/FirstMorning033.jpg

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii277/helenmhalliday/Horsham%20Harlequins/FirstMorning001.jpg

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii277/helenmhalliday/Horsham%20Harlequins/FirstMorning023.jpg

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii277/helenmhalliday/Horsham%20Harlequins/FirstMorning019.jpg

I met these two girls in the fur last Thursday and they really are absolutely beautiful :love::love:

The Duchess
05-06-2011, 09:44 PM
Hi Sooz!

Congratulations to you and your new arrival. Now that's what I call a reason for not being online.

A great week for you then!

The Duchess
05-06-2011, 09:45 PM
And I should say that Jenny has been awesome with this situation. She has done all the work.

In fact I hope she doesn't mind me saying but she took another from the same place today to get him out too.:D

VickiP
05-06-2011, 09:49 PM
And I should say that Jenny has been awesome with this situation. She has done all the work.

In fact I hope she doesn't mind me saying but she took another from the same place today to get him out too.:D

Awww lovely pics although I have to say you really need to provide more hay :p:lol: Well done everyone, I think it's wonderfully kind and restores my faith in humanity when I hear stories like these.:D

The Duchess
05-06-2011, 10:02 PM
Awww lovely pics although I have to say you really need to provide more hay :p:lol: Well done everyone, I think it's wonderfully kind and restores my faith in humanity when I hear stories like these.:D

LOL

Truly made the most amazing nesty thing in her litter tray today. Like she was burrowing to Australia. Big old cocoon over her head and hay all over the floor. It was a sight to warm the heart.

David the OH managed to have a picky uppy with Pretty twice today too which is very new. We are making progress here that's for sure. Not quite so nervous but they're deffo having fun.

VickiP
05-06-2011, 10:10 PM
LOL

Truly made the most amazing nesty thing in her litter tray today. Like she was burrowing to Australia. Big old cocoon over her head and hay all over the floor. It was a sight to warm the heart.

David the OH managed to have a picky uppy with Pretty twice today too which is very new. We are making progress here that's for sure. Not quite so nervous but they're deffo having fun.

:lol: Talk about landing on their paws, I bet they will be completely different in no time with your care, they'll start to realise not all humans are horrid, bless them - if only they could talk to tell their tale...:)

Lib_n_bunny
06-06-2011, 12:09 AM
Those photos should come with a warning, I am petrified, just look at the aggression in their faces! :roll::love::love:

nursecroft
06-06-2011, 12:17 AM
Oh they are absolutely gorgeous! :love:

Crawley Guinea Pig Rescue
06-06-2011, 08:29 AM
Just a quick note to say thanks to the vet who said no to PTS these two girls, to Sue who put the request out and to Helen for posting on facebook which is where i saw them and for ultimately taking them on.
My adoption of these was mere paperwork, no money changed hands nor would it.
The rspca homechecker who i met at the vet said they dont homecheck for bunnies, they do a follow up instead.
I have gone back to this rspca holding facility for a lovely male bunny who was by himself, i will do a seperate thread on him.
Thanks Helen for taking them on and i hope Morris is keeping his eye on them!

The Duchess
06-06-2011, 08:51 AM
Just a quick note to say thanks to the vet who said no to PTS these two girls, to Sue who put the request out and to Helen for posting on facebook which is where i saw them and for ultimately taking them on.
My adoption of these was mere paperwork, no money changed hands nor would it.
The rspca homechecker who i met at the vet said they dont homecheck for bunnies, they do a follow up instead.
I have gone back to this rspca holding facility for a lovely male bunny who was by himself, i will do a seperate thread on him.
Thanks Helen for taking them on and i hope Morris is keeping his eye on them!

Morning Jenny.

How's the wee boy doing?

I think Morris would be hurrumphing all the way as these two have totally trashed his house. They are working their way out of the corner of the wendy as we speak - by chewing!

Maybe the new owners didn't like their destructive tendencies and that's why they gave them back?

Anyway a call to ensure that they really are spayed (as there are no scars or bald bits) might give us some more answers to behaviour mighten it. I'm not convinced yet.:D