Syphilis/Vents - post 9 FAO Jacks-Jane

Just have a question thats been playing on my mind.

If rabbits can only pick up the disease through breeding/kindling (giving birth) how long does it take for symptoms to show?

Dolly definitley didnt catch it from Marley who i had 18months before getting Dolly. I haf her vaccinated and spayed and so she had a number of health checks already. Neither the vet nor i noticed a problem until 2-3 weeks after her spey.

Does it take a while for symptoms to appear, its a question thats been running through my mind since she was treated in October last year. I feel really bad for not noticing as this must have been something that she got from her mother and she was 6-8 months when I noticed I feel so guilty, would it have been causing her discomfort that whole time? :shock:

After Dolly, i learned first hand why petshops arent good places to get pets. I cant imagine the conditions she was born into.

ETA: Ive also just read that its incurable, aparently antibiotics only clear up the outside and that the virus is still in their blood streams? :shock: ... though it has never reoccured with either of my 2...touch wood :?

Hi,

It can take months. But it varies from bunny to bunny.

I found hoppla a female in a park. She had mated with a wild bunny. 3 month after I had found her she showed symptoms. I saw my vet immediately.

It is very easy to treat. But treatment needs to start immediately!
Hoppla recovered perfectly and is a very happy bunny.

Hoppla said:

Hi,

It can take months. But it varies from bunny to bunny.

I found hoppla a female in a park. She had mated with a wild bunny. 3 month after I had found her she showed symptoms. I saw my vet immediately.It is very easy to treat. But treatment needs to start immediately!
Hoppla recovered perfectly and is a very happy bunny.

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This was the case with Dolly (and Marley as she passed it on to him before symptoms started to show).

I also thought they were fine now though (were now 6 months on) though, and i know there is a lot of false info on the internet, but ive just stumbled accross this. If its true, im quite worried.

http://rabbitinfocenter.8m.com/vent.html

Hoppla has been fine for 1.5 years and her son hasn't had any symptoms at all.

I would assume that it would flare up under stress. I relocated from Germany to the UK 7 month ago. Which was hugely stressfull for the bunnies, but it didn't flare up again.

Right, thanks.

I think ill still ask my vet about this, as its been playing on my mind for ages.

Jack's-Jane said:

http://wildlife1.wildlifeinformation.org/S/00dis/Bacterial/Treponema_Inf_Rabbits.htm

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Thank you, Jane :wave:

Hoppla said:

I would assume that it would flare up under stress. I relocated from Germany to the UK 7 month ago. Which was hugely stressfull for the bunnies, but it didn't flare up again.

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Hoppla, ive had a read through the link Jane has sent.

How i now understand it is...

It can clear up on its own, but can also reoccur under stress, these rabbits are symptomless carriers.

And the prognosis is better than i first thought, at least now i dont have to worry.

"Excellent prognosis with treatment. Treatment is curative and lesions will typically resolve in one to three weeks. (B609.2.w2)
Recovered animals can be used for breeding again. (B10.45.w47)
Immunity does not follow recovery. (B10.45.w47) "

So they obviously arent immune, but humping eachother isnt a problem and they can be mixed with other rabbits. *sighs with releif*

FAO Jacks Jane

Hi Jane, what do you make of this?...

http://rabbitinfocenter.8m.com/vent.html

"Vent disease is serious and most often incurable, even with treatment. Although antibiotics may given as treatment, majority of the time it only heald the outside wounds, but the disease remains in the blood stream."

:? Ive been reading your link and link again, im so confused! Marley and Dolly are fine though, and havent had any problems since, but i cant help thinking what if? I also find it all very interesting.

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It can remain dormant and flare up at a later date. But it does not always do so. It never has in the cases I have dealt with. After a course of treatment with Depocillin none of the Rabbits had any further problems.

In a stud situation it would mean that the effected Rabbit could never be used for breeding again. Or at least he/she shouldn't be.

Jack's-Jane said:

It can remain dormant and flare up at a later date. But it does not always do so. It never has in the cases I have dealt with. After a course of treatment with Depocillin none of the Rabbits had any further problems.

In a stud situation it would mean that the effected Rabbit could never be used for breeding again. Or at least he/she shouldn't be.

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So it shouldnt be a problem when i try and bond Skye with them?

RampantRabbits said:

So it shouldnt be a problem when i try and bond Skye with them?

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As long as they are asymptomatic- ie all lesions are fully healed then in my experience any risk of transmission is minimal. I have never encountered a problem with transmission from an asymptomatic Rabbit.

HOWEVER, in theory it is possible for transmission to occur so I would advise you to discuss it all with your Vet

Jack's-Jane said:

As long as they are asymptomatic- ie all lesions are fully healed then in my experience any risk of transmission is minimal. I have never encountered a problem with transmission from an asymptomatic Rabbit.

HOWEVER, in theory it is possible for transmission to occur so I would advise you to discuss it all with your Vet

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Thanks Jane. Ill add it to my list of things for when i go next week :wave: