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Rhianna
10-02-2011, 07:39 PM
Well, I've set the pen up in the lounge and divided it into two and put Dylan, Molly and Munchkin in the larger part and Sue in the smaller piece. Each part has a litter tray and water bottle - but no room for much else:( I've added some food but nobun is nomming, which is a real worry.

The group of three are all shaking as they do when I put them in a carrier for the vet:( Sue doesn't look as bothered but isn't eating either.

I am stressed already and it's only been an hour since I moved them from outside. Have turned my heating off and am now feeling a bit cold. More jumpers I think!

I feel really cruel watching the buns shaking. They have never been indoors and are usually in a two storey hutch at night with access to a run in the day and now they are in a tiny pen. They are taking it in turns to sit in the litter tray and are huddled together.

My plan was to leave them separate tonight and remove the divider tomorrow. Wish I had a laptop so I could at least 'chat' while in with the buns. On Sat I have a friend coming over as I am trying to decorate too so we can share the decorating and bonding. He doesn't have bunnies but is good with mine. At least then I can go to the loo and make a cup of tea while he watches them.

Have just been in to the lounge to check on them. Different bun in the litter tray. They don't look quite so stressed and Sue looks almost happy. No-one is nomming though. I so hope they don't all go into stasis.

I think I will leave what I have to do and go and watch some TV with them. Maybe they will feel happier if Mummy is around. Sue has jumped up at the side of the pen to see me. She is so very thin now:( She still kicked when I picked her up to bring her indoors earlier though - and boy can she kick for a poorly bun:D

Rhianna
10-02-2011, 08:30 PM
I will just ramble on to myself:oops:

There is a piece of pear in both litter trays so the buns are showing an interest in food. Sue is at the divider and she so wants to be friends. If the others reject her she will be heartbroken.

I've turned the main light off and left two lamps on as they aren't used to light at this time of night, being outdoor buns.

I am getting so stressed I think they are picking up on it and won't eat when I am in with them. I don't have a bath and a friend has said I can go over and use his to de-stress me a bit. The buns have food, litter, hay and water. They can't hurt themselves or each other. The cats can't get in the lounge. The buns will all be perfectly OK if I leave them - but I still feel guilty.

I won't be able to leave them once the divider is down so I may as well make the most of it. Hopefully, when I get back they will all have eaten something and be more relaxed - as will I.

I have never been this nervous about a bonding before - but have never bonded a poorly bun. I need to chill out a bit or they will pick up on my stress:)

Amy & Amber
10-02-2011, 08:45 PM
Sending vibes (*)

Also calming anti stress vibes for you too :)

Sky-O
10-02-2011, 08:47 PM
*also sending calming vibes for you*

I do hope it goes well :)

xx-snowball-xx
10-02-2011, 08:48 PM
sending happy bonding vibes :)

BinkyBun
10-02-2011, 09:18 PM
Good luck xx

poppymoon
10-02-2011, 09:37 PM
everything crossed for you and lovely sue x

beckie20
10-02-2011, 09:59 PM
I hope it all goes to plan quickly for you!!

Rhianna
11-02-2011, 12:37 AM
I think going out was a good idea as the group of three have nommed all their food:) Sue, on the other hand, has barely eaten anything:( I've just given her some parsley and more spring greens and she is eating those so I don't think she is in stasis - just fussy!!

The pen is already a mess as the group of three aren't litter trained:( I have bare floorboards which I have covered with newspaper but it's already soaked. I hope Sue doesn't pick up their bad habits. She is brilliant with a tray and has a carpet in her hutch.

I am absolutely terrified to remove the divider tomorrow. What if they all attack Sue? She will be so scared. I feel so bad that I can't afford to rehome a single bun to bond with her. I just want to pick her up and take her to bed with me (but I won't).

Thank you all for your support. I am less stressed now I have had a change of environment and a lovely, relaxing bath with loads of bubbles:) I won't be able to do that tomorrow though. Maybe lots of camomile tea would be a good idea.

Off to say goodnight to them all now and to turn the lights off. Pippa has managed to get in the lounge with them too - but she thinks she is a rabbit anyway and they are used to her as she goes in their outside run. I will evict her before I go to bed.

I will say a short prayer to the Patron Saint of Bonding Bunnies (there must be one, surely?) that all goes well tomorrow.

GrahamL
11-02-2011, 01:15 AM
Will follow Rhianna.

Lots of calm and bonding vibes.

poppymoon
11-02-2011, 01:28 PM
how's it going:)

Rhianna
11-02-2011, 05:00 PM
It isn't yet!! They are still separated as I realised that trying to decorate and bond bunnies at the same time was a bit unrealistic. I have just finished emulsioning the spare room and am now going to clean out Furby and Faye and then vaccuum and then shower and move into the lounge and remove the divider.

I have to sell my house asap as I can't afford to pay the mortgage and bills so am trying to de-clutter and splash some magnolia around rather than the peeling paper that was up there.

All buns are now eating though - so that's a good sign. The mess in the pen is unbelievable and I don't have many newspapers left :( Now Sue is eating I am feeling a bit calmer about the bond.

I have a friend coming over tomorrow so can bond and decorate as I will have another pair of eyes.

I don't often wish I had a partner - but I have started too lately:( Don't think any guy could cope with a mad bunny and cat lady though!

Debster
11-02-2011, 05:29 PM
Sorry I missed this yesterday. I didn't know you were selling your house, I'm not surprised your feeling under strain at the moment!

I've had to buy extra newspapers the last week or so as I'm running really low - its a pain :roll:

Lots of vibes for a stress free bonding and a quickie house sale. So hope the others accept Sue, she sounds such a sweetheart I'm sending her great big cyber hugs!:love:

Rhianna
11-02-2011, 10:22 PM
I will have to sell the house as my income has dropped and things keep going up but it is very cluttered and needs work doing to it so I can't even get it valued yet.

I have many, many trips to the tip to do:)

I cleared up the soaking newspaper and removed the divider and Sue rushed over to say hello to the other three who huddled together closely. They are now in separate corners but the really good news is that Sue is eating. She is nomming more than I have seen her eat for ages and I haven't put in all the nice things because of not wanting the other three to put on weight. There was some pear - but only a tiny amount. Sue was eating pellets:)

She is so happy to be with other bunnies - but none of them look impressed. They are doing a little chasing but apart from that leaving each other alone. I will sleep on the settee tonight just in case I need to intervene.

Pippa insisted on 'helping', and climbed the bookcase in my lounge and then jumped onto the TV. I sometimes forget she isn't a year yet and is still very playful. She keeps staring at the buns - and they just ignore her.

There has been no humping at all so far. I so hope they all accept Sue. I keep telling them she is poorly and they must be nice to her - but they don't seem to be paying me much attention:(

Hanlou
11-02-2011, 10:38 PM
Only just seen this! :wave: xx

Sendings loads and *loads* of bonding vibes!!!

And hugs for you 'cos I'm guessing that you're stressed......

Shall follow this thread and am really, *really* hoping it will all go well for your sake and of course for the lovely Sue. :) xx

Rhianna
12-02-2011, 11:32 AM
Well I had a pretty sleepless night. My settee is very old and very uncomfortable:(

The buns kept chasing each other - but it wasn't Sue as much as the other three!!

They just seem to be ignoring her. She is at one end of the pen and the other three are huddled in a tiny space (the whole pen is small) at the other end.

I will have to go out later as I have realised I have no cat litter or bunny greens. Living on my own it's impossible to be with them 24/7. I had cheese and biscuits for my main meal last night as I was scared to leave them while I cooked.

Have a friend coming over in half an hour to help with the decorating so I will have someone to help keep an eye on the buns too:) Will see if he will stay with them while I go out.

I feel totally shattered and am on-call tomorrow night again:(

I suppose the positives are that nobun is hurting Sue. She is definitely eating more, so she must be happier.

Not sure what to do to actually get them together. I can't take them for a car ride as I don't have a carrier big enough for four buns and I only have a two seater car so can't put them in the back in a pen.

This is sooooooo stressful. I've got a headache and just want to go to sleep. I am so worried this isn't going to work and I can't leave Sue on her own and then I feel a really bad Bunny Mummy because I can't afford to rehome another bun for her at the moment. It's wrong that my animals are suffering because of me choosing to do care work (which is badly paid and insecure at the moment).

More vibes for a successful bond would be really appreciated. And, yes, hugs for me are much needed:oops:

poppymoon
12-02-2011, 04:21 PM
still have everything crossed for you and sue xxx

Rhianna
12-02-2011, 11:40 PM
These bunnies just don't seem to want to bond. They just keep sitting at different ends of the pen and then occasionally start chasing around the pen and then settle where they started off.

The group of three are together and poor Sue is sitting in a litter tray looking sad.

I don't know what to do as I can see this going on forever. There is no humping - just chasing - and it's not often Sue - it's the group of three chasing each other.

I guess if this doesn't work I could try Sue with one of my pairs - but it doesn't seem fair to keep stressing her out.

At least they are not fighting at all.

raine
12-02-2011, 11:50 PM
Have you explored trying to keep the house and renting a room, or changing your mortgage? Its such a shame having to sell.

bunnymadhouse
13-02-2011, 12:04 AM
If they are not fighting at all it may just be a matter of time .. :)

Sue doesnt sound like she is stressed by it at all so i wouldnt worry about her any more than the others to be honest . ;)

Rhianna
13-02-2011, 12:41 PM
Aaaw, thanks for the suggestions, Raine. I am on an interest only mortgage anyway and have no means of paying it back when the term ends.

I had lodgers for 20 years and, although I had three that were great, the rest of them were a nightmare and it got so I was scared to come home :(

I live in my bedroom mostly so don't need a three bedroom house. I also don't have a bath, just a shower. I don't have a toilet upstairs and going up and down the stairs in the night to use the loo is a pain - literally as I have arthritis of the knees!

I live in a terrace and half the neighbours aren't talking to the other half and I know a lot of them don't like my cats.

I love my house in many ways and it will be a wrench to move but I think I will be happier in somewhere a bit smaller with a bigger garden for my fur family. I'd love a shed and run set up for the buns and to get some chickens and also want to do bunny boarding in the future.

When I was watching the buns (and the TV) last night I noticed that Molly jumped in the litter tray with Sue and spent ages with her. I thought she was biting her but fought my instinct to rush over and 'rescue' Sue as I noticed Sue was nomming a broccoli stem, totally unconcerned. She didn't move away from Molly so I just left them, although Molly seemed very rough. I checked Sue later and there are no bite marks so I think Molly was grooming Sue:love:

Molly is my 'motherly' bun who has had at least one litter (went to rescue pregnant). She is the one I thought would probably be kinder to Sue.

When I fed them earlier all four crowded around the dish and nobun tried to exclude Sue.

I did go to bed last night about 1.30 am and got up and checked on them about 5.00 am when I went to the loo and they were fine. I am on-call tonight and if I get called in I will have to decide whether to leave them or put the divider up. If things remain as they are at the moment I will leave them.

I just worry about Sue, Angie, as I know she is poorly and she is quite thin now. She is actually eating more now than she did when she was on her own so I think she is happier with bunny company. I just so want them all to accept her.

bunnymadhouse
13-02-2011, 01:14 PM
Aaaw, thanks for the suggestions, Raine. I am on an interest only mortgage anyway and have no means of paying it back when the term ends.

I had lodgers for 20 years and, although I had three that were great, the rest of them were a nightmare and it got so I was scared to come home :(

I live in my bedroom mostly so don't need a three bedroom house. I also don't have a bath, just a shower. I don't have a toilet upstairs and going up and down the stairs in the night to use the loo is a pain - literally as I have arthritis of the knees!

I live in a terrace and half the neighbours aren't talking to the other half and I know a lot of them don't like my cats.

I love my house in many ways and it will be a wrench to move but I think I will be happier in somewhere a bit smaller with a bigger garden for my fur family. I'd love a shed and run set up for the buns and to get some chickens and also want to do bunny boarding in the future.

When I was watching the buns (and the TV) last night I noticed that Molly jumped in the litter tray with Sue and spent ages with her. I thought she was biting her but fought my instinct to rush over and 'rescue' Sue as I noticed Sue was nomming a broccoli stem, totally unconcerned. She didn't move away from Molly so I just left them, although Molly seemed very rough. I checked Sue later and there are no bite marks so I think Molly was grooming Sue:love:

Molly is my 'motherly' bun who has had at least one litter (went to rescue pregnant). She is the one I thought would probably be kinder to Sue.

When I fed them earlier all four crowded around the dish and nobun tried to exclude Sue.

I did go to bed last night about 1.30 am and got up and checked on them about 5.00 am when I went to the loo and they were fine. I am on-call tonight and if I get called in I will have to decide whether to leave them or put the divider up. If things remain as they are at the moment I will leave them.

I just worry about Sue, Angie, as I know she is poorly and she is quite thin now. She is actually eating more now than she did when she was on her own so I think she is happier with bunny company. I just so want them all to accept her.

awww ... it sounds like its going good so far .. :D

its no good me saying dont worry ...im a big worrier myself so i know what its like . :?:roll:

My thoughts are that although Sue is thin ...and is a poorly bun in some ways ... she obviously still loves life and other buns .

it may be harder to monitor her food intake in a group but at least she will be happy ...and a couple of months being happy in a group is better than a year by herself in a hutch .

if in the end it doesnt work and she has to be alone then so be it ...but at least you will have tried . :D

beckie20
13-02-2011, 01:16 PM
When I was watching the buns (and the TV) last night I noticed that Molly jumped in the litter tray with Sue and spent ages with her. I thought she was biting her but fought my instinct to rush over and 'rescue' Sue as I noticed Sue was nomming a broccoli stem, totally unconcerned. She didn't move away from Molly so I just left them, although Molly seemed very rough. I checked Sue later and there are no bite marks so I think Molly was grooming Sue:love:


When I fed them earlier all four crowded around the dish and nobun tried to exclude Sue.

I'm no expert, but it sounds promising :D:love:

Rhianna
13-02-2011, 01:19 PM
Aaaw - I just went and cleaned and vaccuumed the pen (Sue is the only one who is litter trained) and changed their litter trays and Molly jumped in the one Sue is usually in. Dylan was flopped on Munchkin and Sue jumped in the other litter tray, leant on Dylan and nommed the hay off his back (he got in the way when I was filling the trays) - and he let her:love:

So, I have three buns all snuggled together with Molly watching maternally from the other end of the pen.

If this works I will be one VERY happy Bunny Mummy.

Sue is definitely happier now she has bunny company, even though she isn't getting the tasty noms she was getting as I don't want the others to eat bread or oats. I will have to start trying to feed her separately if the bond does work or she will lose more weight but for now she will have to eat the same as the others.

bunnymadhouse
13-02-2011, 01:21 PM
aww :love:

ripminnie
13-02-2011, 01:25 PM
Awww it sounds like it's going really well, hope you are feeling less stressed now! Good luck :wave:

Rhianna
13-02-2011, 01:26 PM
Thanks Beckie. I hope so.

Thanks, Angie. Your input means a lot as I wouldn't have been lucky enough to have had Peggy and Sue if you hadn't rehomed to me. I felt so bad after Peggy died.

I agree with you about Sue. I know every day with her is a bonus - and I do monitor her closely - but she still has a joie de vivre about her. I don't want her to spend her last days or weeks or months alone. She was just so sad and barely eating. Now, she dashes up to the food dish as soon as I put it in the pen - she has to or there won't be any left:)

I guess I felt worried about trying to bond her with the three as my vet advised against it and suggested a pair but I don't have room for three indoors and Furby and Faye are only a recent bond and I didn't want to risk ending up with three single buns - and not enough accommodation to house them. I went with my instincts - and when Debbie saw the buns she agreed with me.

I was nearly in tears just now seeing Sue grooming Dylan (even though I know it was for hay). He is a Very Old Bun with arthritic back legs and he looked like he was enjoying having a new lady in his life:love:

Rhianna
13-02-2011, 02:35 PM
There are now four buns huddled in one end of the pen. Dylan and Sue do seem to be getting on well. They were face snuggling just now:love: Maybe as he is elderly and not very fit himself he can recognise her vulnerablilty? Or perhaps I am anthromorphasising (or whatever that word is:))

Munchkin is ignoring her. I did think if I had a problem it would be with Munchkin. She is one of Molly's daughters and the youngest of the three buns.

I am leaving them for a while and getting on with other things. I think me constantly staring at them was stressing them out as none of them are used to having me around so much being outdoor buns. I don't have any music on so I can hear if they are chasing each other. One of them just threw the metal food dish around the run - probably not happy it is empty:) I went dashing in there and the bunnies were calmly sitting down and were clearly thinking what a strange Bunny Mummy I am!!!:)

Hanlou
13-02-2011, 02:42 PM
Haven't been around much but just popping in to see how things are going! :wave:

It sounds good! At least Munchkin is ignoring her and not being aggressive? Bless Molly and Dylan! :love: xx

More (( hugs )) to you - you're doing really well! :D

And am sorry about your money issues. Life's just so rubbish sometimes! :(

Hope whatever you do goes well for you 'cos you deserve it.

poppymoon
13-02-2011, 08:16 PM
great news! hope it continues:D

Debster
13-02-2011, 09:51 PM
Glad to hear its going well so far. Must be such a lovely sight seeing them all snuggled up together! :love: Vibes for it continuing to go so well xx

Rhianna
13-02-2011, 09:52 PM
Well, I was called in to work and am likely to be here for most of the night so just hope the bunnies are all OK.

The last couple of times I checked on them Sue was amongst the other three and she was grooming Molly:love:

Sue just looks so much happier now. It's difficult to put into words how she has changed but even if this bond doesn't work I know that Sue can't be kept alone. It would be cruel.

Thank you all for your support and lovely comments. It means a lot xx

purplebumble
13-02-2011, 10:56 PM
oh karen hun im so pleased:love:

sorry didnt txt....down to my last 3 credit..trying not to top up til beginning of march...mmm dont think itll last:oops::lol:

see hun....you just needed to go with the flow....the buns are the ones to guide you...and like i said..this bonding cannot have the same rules as all the other bonds youve done.
The vet thought he was being right as it usually states everywhere..pairs.....

well i had hoped to have two pairs or a foursome and look what happened!! Nothing is by the book ever..you know your buns likei told you..have heart...trust your instincts...and the buns body language xx

i really feel for you having to leave her....but sounds as though things are moving forward at their own pace...and hopefully a bond will be a strong one.

i found when oscar died..my poor bif she had a near nervous breakdown..and four days later she refused her food and just lay there....omg my half brother said..shes going to die...

when jo arrived with bertie..even the scent of him in the doorway in a carrier got her up on her feet..she scoffed some pellets and hay and did a big heap of poop.
like i said bertie was only on loan till i could hear back from our nearest rescue...which i wouldnt be able to get to anyway:( but bertie adored bif..she had a love hate relationship..then they were snugglebuns:love:

each situation is different.....i have learnt that too....so good on you..good on the buns!

by the way karen..have you room for a certain blue and white bossy moo who seems to be developing spring fever:shock::lol::lol: i couldnt get back online..without a roll of insulation tape...no..not bluebell and my laptop cable:roll::lol:

that carrier i gave you would fit the buns in a squish....nowhere to run and hide...once round the block;)

Alibunmum
13-02-2011, 11:36 PM
This is so much more positive than when you were worried about Sue over the last couple of weeks. I'm so glad all seems to be going well and she is brighter with some bunny company again!

Pinkyfan
13-02-2011, 11:46 PM
Really hope she stay's bonded with her new bunny friends What a great bunny mum you are !! I'm hoping to get a fella for my three girls so will be going through the bonding again soon.

Your a true inspiration x

Rhianna
14-02-2011, 10:03 AM
I finally got home at 3.30 am. I work at a SARC (Sexual Abuse Referral Centre) and it was a very busy night. I am shattered and am taking the day off my day job as annual leave. I need sleep!!!!!!!

When I got home all looked calm. I gave them some more food (I know I am a bad Bunny Mummy but I felt guilty leaving them for so long).

Have just got up to feed all the zoo and Sue was first at the trough:) Nobun is pushing her aside and she seems to slowly be more accepted. She was face snuggling with Dylan again too.

Munchkin still seems to be ignoring her - but at least she isn't attacking her. I did put a few oats in by Sue and Munchkin went to sit by her side and share them and all was well!! I will probably give it until the weekend before moving them back outside. I need to neutralise the area which will take a while.

I am so proud of my buns and the way they have accepted Sue into their fold. I know it is early days yet and still could go horribly wrong but I am hopeful it is going to work out.

Considering Sue is a poorly bun she is very spirited and really wants to make the most of life. She is such a gorgeous bun and was devestated when we lost Peggy. Seeing her with other buns is wonderful.

I was talking to one of the police officers about the buns last night as I was worrying about how they were doing and I got an odd look. I guess 'bonding bunnies' does sound a bit odd if you are not a rabbit person:oops:

GrahamL
14-02-2011, 10:06 AM
Thats such good news. I missed this over the weekend and came looking for it.

I'm so glad they are slowly accepting her. Just sounds like it could take a while longer :)

More good bond vibes :love:

Rhianna
15-02-2011, 10:22 AM
Thanks Gray.

I slept most of yesterday after working nine hours Sun night and every time I checked on the buns they were just sitting. I think they are bored being stuck in a tiny pen in the lounge:(

I won't get time to neutralise their area until the weekend though and I don't think it will do any harm keeping them in until then to make sure all is well.

Sue is now usually to be found in the group, but her body is always quite flat or low down, if that makes sense? I thought she had gone to the Bridge yesterday as I couldn't see her head (she was in the middle of the others) and she looked like she wasn't breathing. When I went to stroke her, she was clearly fine - just very relaxed.

I don't know how I know if they are 'bonded' but hopefully if all continues to go well by the weekend it will be OK to put them all back outside.

I can extend the pen a tiny amount and will do that tomorrow or Thursday but it's still a much smaller area than they are all used to:(

I've got a couple of tunnels I bought on offer in PAH so may put one of those in the pen to give them something to do. They are completely neutral as still in their cover. They will be having both of them in their run outside:)

The local market is here today so I am going to see if I can get some reasonably priced carrots with tops for them as a treat and have started scattering their pellets too so they have to forage for them. I don't like seeing bored buns.

GrahamL
15-02-2011, 10:28 AM
That sounds really positive Rhianna :)

Sounds like Sue is really enjoying bunny company again :love: and that the group has accepted her quite well.

I appreciate what you mean about the 'boredom' side of things - i thought this with B&G when i was bonding them, but it turned out alrght :)

I really hope it continues to go well, and look forward to updates!

Sky-O
15-02-2011, 10:51 AM
I'm so glad things ahve gone well and its given Sue a new lease of life :D LE'ts hope it continues!

poppymoon
15-02-2011, 11:16 AM
sounds positive:D hope it continues:)

Rhianna
15-02-2011, 06:20 PM
Have just got in from work and checked on them. Sue is snuggled amongst the others again. When I walked in she started grooming Molly:love:. I didn't get to the market but did pick lots of dandelion leaves so they have those as a treat. Sue was nomming them straight away.

I put the tunnel in this morning and Sue immediately started chewing the end so I had to take it out:( It's such a shame as I bought two so I could attach them and the buns would have a long tunnel to play in. None of my other buns have ever chewed them. Trust Sue:(

I put a treat ball in their pen instead filled with broken up fenucreek crunchies so hopefully that has been keeping them busy.

I am trying to feed Sue her oats on her own but the other buns aren't falling for that. I can see that I am going to have to work out a way of feeding her separately as she can't afford to lose any more weight.

Any ideas?

beckie20
15-02-2011, 06:31 PM
How have you tried so far?

I'd probably try having a handful of oats for sue and a handful of dried herbs or something for the others, so the others still get something at the same time. Hopefully one of your hands is considerably larger than the other so that you can feed all three buns without them wandering over to the other hand :roll::lol::lol:

Rhianna
15-02-2011, 06:47 PM
Mmm, interesting idea. (Looks at hands - no, both the same size:()

Yes, will have to try and find some non fattening food to give the other buns. Trouble is they like Sue's oats (that sounds wrong but ykwim!):) They have never had oats before and they think they are nommy!!! I give Sue bread too and other very naughty weight gaining food.

Having said that, Peggy wasn't overweight and she used to share Sue's food - but I don't want my other three becoming unhealthy. Dylan is very old and probably a little underweight too so I wouldn't mind him having some oats, but the other two will have to make do with some other food.

I started feeding Sue oats after reading Morse liked them and they were good for maintaining weight. I think Morse has a partner so will ask Jane how she manages.

Jane???? (I know she isn't well at the moment so will wait until tomorrow).

purplebumble
15-02-2011, 06:50 PM
oh karen..it sounds like a successful bond to me:wave:

i am soooooo happy for sue...and you:love:

i know..ive had to split merlin from bertie cos of bluebell...but he cant live with them even if bluebell would let him..frenchies eat loads..esp growing ladee frenchies called bluebell:lol:

i cant restrict berties food for his weight...so merlins on a different diet.

is it possible you could feed a bigger amount to sue whilst giving the others a little taste?

Rhianna
15-02-2011, 10:35 PM
Yes, I guess I could give Sue her usual amount of 'naughty' foods and just a tiny amount for the others, which when divided amongst three won't be enough for them to put on weight. Soon they will be a lot more active as I will be able to put them in the front garden so they have more space than in the back yard.

Dylan is going to need metacam for his arthritis when I take him for his check-up so I will have to try and feed him separately anyway. He is so elderly now I think he can have a few oats if he wants, especially if it will help him to take his meds. (I am assuming the metacam will be in oral, not injectable form:oops:)

Just been in to check on them and Molly is humping Munchkin (who is her daughter:shock:). I put some more dandelion leaves in and Dylan and Sue are nomming away. They all look happy and settled:love:

I am still trying not to get too excited but the signs are all positive that they have accepted Sue into their group. She looks soooo happy now:):)

Hanlou
15-02-2011, 10:50 PM
Aw it sounds good! :love: xx

*Sending more vibes!* xx

GrahamL
16-02-2011, 10:09 AM
I've watched and followed this thread intently.

Rhianna, i'm SOOOOOOO glad that Sue is happier with bunnies now :)

It makes me smile so much to hear of them accepting her.

This is great, keep it up, well done :)

Rhianna
17-02-2011, 12:10 AM
Gave the pen a good clean out today and changed the newspaper. All the buns kept getting in the way:) I've added the final panel to make it a bit bigger too.

A friend gave me some sprout tops from her garden so all the buns have had those for supper with some more dandelion leaves. I've also given them parsnip again which they had for the first time yesterday. I can't believe how enthusiastic Sue is now for her food and am so glad I didn't stress her more by taking her to the vet when she wasn't eating much. I did think it was probably grief rather than her teeth as she was still nibbling carrot. She started nomming more or less instantly when she was put with the other buns and each day she is eating more. She is first at the bowl and will push the other buns out of the way - and they let her:)

Sue seems to get on particularly well with Molly - they often groom each other. I have no idea where Sue is in the bunny hierarchy, but wherever it is she is happy and that is all that matters:):)

I am planning to move them back outside at some point over the weekend if the weather continues to stay mild and just hope all continues to go well when they have more space.

I know things could still go wrong, but at the moment I am a Very Happy Bunny Mummy:)

Thank you all for your support - it means a lot as I've found this bond more nerve wracking than usual!

GrahamL
17-02-2011, 09:46 AM
Thats just awesome news.

Grief can do odd things to people, let alone bunnies, i've not experienced it, but it does sound like she's truly enjoying the company of other fluffys who talk the same language again :love:

You're doing so well Rhianna, keep it up :)

Rhianna
17-02-2011, 10:32 AM
Thanks Gray.

Sue really worried me last night as she was laying on her side, which I haven't seen her do for a very long time. I thought she was dying or in pain so picked her up to check her over and she kicked me and struggled - for a poorly bun, she is VERY strong. She seemed fine so I popped her back in the pen and she thumped with her back legs, hopped over to where she had been earlier and lay down again. I realised she was flopping. Guess she is happy! Huge sigh of relief from me!!!!

I think they will all be pleased to go back outside so they can run and climb again. Part of me will miss having them inside - but not the mess they are making of my poor floorboards - they keep moving the newspaper and, apart from Sue, nobun is litter trained:(

I do love seeing buns snuggling and playing and could just sit and watch them for hours - much more interesting than the TV!!

GrahamL
17-02-2011, 10:34 AM
:love:

Floppy Sue!!! :D

Thats just absolutely chuffing marvelous! :D:D:D:D:D

Long may it continue!

Rhianna
17-02-2011, 01:40 PM
Yes, when I realised Sue was perfectly OK - I thought it was wonderful too. I have just popped home from work to check on them and they are in a group at one end of the pen and Molly is flopped down now, which is a good sign too.

Considering they have been taken away from their hutches and large runs and put into a small pen indoors and introduced to a totally new bun, or in Sue's case, buns, I think they have done brilliantly and am very proud of my fur family.

The food has all disappeared but they have hay so I am not going to put any more in until later. (I tended to feed Sue throughout the day).

Bless their little paws - I am such a happy Bunny Mummy:love:

Sky-O
17-02-2011, 01:48 PM
I'm so happy for you all that it's worked so well so far :)

bunnymadhouse
17-02-2011, 02:12 PM
yay :D :D :D :D :D :D

poppymoon
17-02-2011, 02:15 PM
:D:D

Rhianna
22-02-2011, 05:22 PM
Just a quick update.

The buns are still in the lounge. I realised at the weekend I didn't have enough newspaper for the hutches outside and three of the buns aren't litter trained. I have a real shortage at the moment as people I know seem to have stopped buying papers - I guess it's the recession.

I was sitting having a coffee with a friend last night and watching the buns and they were all humping each other. It was a real orgy - some head humps, some bottom humps, all swapping partners. Don't know what my friend thought - he just made some comment about spring being in the air:oops:

Dylan suddenly lay down and I was terrified he had died. My friend said his whiskers were moving but I wasn't convinced. Then the other three started charging around and Dylan sat up. Phew!! Then he flopped down again. I know flopping is a sign of a happy bun but it's how Peggy looked after she had gone to the Bridge and I went to say 'goodbye' to her at the vets so seeing anybun like that scares me.

They do need to go outside, although I am a bit scared the extra space will mean they will stick to a three and a one.

Sue is nomming more than any of the others. She is first at the food bowl every time.

I went to our local market with a client today and bought two huge bunches of parsley for 1 each and some carrots with tops on. I think I am going to have very happy bunnies at supper time.

Debster
22-02-2011, 06:02 PM
I'm so pleased its going well for Sue and her new friends :D

I'm not sure but do you have a local library who might be willing to put newspapers aside for you? Ours has a few daily/weekly titles and I've thought of asking them if I get low again.

poppymoon
22-02-2011, 06:45 PM
glad they're still happy:)

Rhianna
26-02-2011, 07:35 PM
Sue and her new friends are now outside. I moved them out this afternoon. Didn't get up until then as I worked last night. There was a lot of chasing. It seems very cold here - colder than I realised - so I just hope they will be OK. My lounge is quite a cold room - I often sit in bed to watch TV - and I don't have the heating on much so they haven't gone from very warm to very cold.

They all loved the space and ran around stretching their paws. They were getting so fed-up in a pen.

I am not working tonight or tomorrow so can keep going out and checking on them.

Just hope their bond remains intact.

Hanlou
26-02-2011, 07:50 PM
Missed the updates! :p

Am so happy to be reading this! Sounds like Sue has found her family, bless her!! Awww at her flopping, bless her! :love: xx

I hope all will be well outside but am sure it will be - certainly hope so for your sake and Sue's! You've done really well to bond them - must be a relief to you to see Sue with them and eating well.

Hugs to you 'cos I bet all this has really stressed you out! :wave: xx

beckie20
26-02-2011, 08:31 PM
I'm so pleased for you that this has gone so well so far :D

purplebumble
27-02-2011, 04:45 AM
wow karen im so happy!! i did say didnt i....the vibes each of the buns gave me that afternoon in your garden...i knew shed be full of grief and the company would help her and help them..the humping just the usual dominance thingy..and its spring:lol:

brrr yes its cold....hope theyll all be ok.

not being litter trained is also a territory thing....these must be the first uber territorial buns youve had..either that or youve just been lucky before!!!

i think a few pictures might be in order;)

im so happy for you all...esp little sue:love:

Rhianna
27-02-2011, 12:49 PM
They all seem OK this morning - better than I am.

I went out late last night to check on them and tripped over a plant pot and fell over on my concrete yard, knocking into the buns fenced off area. Sadly, I didn't bounce and am now covered in bruises down my right hand side - and the run fence is very wobbly. I ache all over:(

The only buns who use a litter tray are George and Gemma (indoor buns) and Sue. All the others go over their hutches - which makes it a nightmare to clean as I can't do all the hutches completely daily - wouldn't have enough newspaper or be able to get rid of the waste - I end up at the tip once a week as it is. Cleaning a litter tray is sooooo much easier.

Sue is still happily nomming everything in sight. It is easier to feed her separately now the buns have a lot more space as they aren't all huddled together.

I am still working out how to put photos on here, Debbie. I have managed to move some from my camera onto the PC - but don't know where I put them:(
Haven't sorted out how to file them where I want them yet. A friend is going to write me an idiot's guide when he has time but is away at the moment.

purplebumble
28-02-2011, 02:38 AM
:wave: hey karen.....if i can do it...believe you me you can;):lol:

mm i was wondering.....i think i still have a roll of cushion flooring...cost me 15 or 20 a few years back to line a pets at home thistle hall.
Well when bandit died and bif n bertie were only able to use the bottom..i gave the hutch to julie...rosies rabbit rescue. So the flooring never got used.
i was going to use it to line the bottom of the dog bed but im not sure i could trim it properly without leaving enuff for bluebell to scoff.....or cut it too small...and it wont stop the wee going through the holes in the dog bed!!
but if itd be a help hun...i will gladly let you have it:wave:

also...i did offer to help with at least one wash a week....you havent brought any over:lol:

i think i may have a few floor sticky lino tiles somewhere too....if you pop a litter tray in..itll be easier to smell the difference:wave:

Rhianna
28-02-2011, 09:58 AM
Thanks Debbie. I am feeding cats from tomorrow for 10 days (two days for someone who is paying, which will cover George's myxi:):)) and a week for a friend. Both are out your way so I will take you up on your offer of a loan of your machine - thank you lots!

The cushion flooring sounds wonderful too. Peggy and Sue had carpet in their hutch but now that is being shared by the terrible trio - carpet is not a sensible option:( (The four are not all in one hutch - they have two as neither is big enough for four buns).

Sue seems OK but she is terribly thin. I am trying to think of new foods to put some weight on her. She has wholemeal bread, oats, carrots and fruit already. I've put a little stool by the hutch to help her get in and out and she isn't using it, so she must be feeling better than she looks.

The buns all love having the extra space now the fenced off part of the yard is no longer divided in two. Sue spends most of her time with Molly - my more maternal bun - but she goes up to the other buns too.

purplebumble
01-03-2011, 03:06 AM
got doctor making home visit to nikki wed and gill thirsday...txt me when youre around..or if im asleep leave it on me doorstep rotfl:lol:

nah jus txt me xx

hope sue eats better soon xx